Mick Gordon is a lying scumbag who sabotaged the soundtrack.

[DefectiveByDesign]

https://youtu.be/CvSUIg4rRhQ
1: Mick Gordon massively delayed the soundtrack, and didn't finish it.
2: Mick approved of id finishing the work.
3: MICK DID NOT GIVE ID ACCESS TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
4. Mick poorly mastered the in-game soundtrack, which is id's source for the other tracks.
5. Mick mislead people about the reason why the soundtrack was not mastered properly.

Overall, seems like the guy is full of himself, lazy, and thought he could lie to the public about what happened, all while making bonus because the delay changed his bonus deadline as well. The bastard took his money and ran, never finished his work, and sabotaged id's efforts to complete the work by not delivering source material.

This is not the behavior of an honest person, and quite frankly seems malicious in how he completed his work, and ultimately lied about what really happened. The guy also acts like he's the Steve Jobs of music composing if you've watched some of his videos. Huge ego.

Am I surprised? No. It's quite obvious he didn't put effort into making "real" music for Doom anyway, as the guitar only uses 2 strings and the rest is distorted sound that could have been done by your average music youtuber with a PC. The game tracks are such low quality that it wouldn't really matter if you replaced Mick with a freaking copycat fanboy who would work for peanuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcYvrR_hLxs

Id is breaking up with Mick Gordon over this. Good. Hire Andrew Hulshult for any future work, because that guy puts the work in, and proves he isn't full of himself by working with indie devs. That, or any of the million youtubers who can copy Mick's style with a guitar and editing software.

IMO, Mick thought he could get away with this, especially since ID are such nice people, but there's no way the fans are ever gonna forget, and no future company will want to work with him either now that we know his work ethic, which is none. Your 15 minutes of fame are over, Mick.

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Originally posted by Aaron Rodgers:

I agree. Who would notice if he rushed the soundtrack? I hated the soundtrack in 2016. Dub step is obnoxious musical gibberish. Perfectionist attitude? I could see how kids might think Mick is mediocre but if they think he is good they must be a bigger fan of ecstasy than good music. Go hang at the club and grind.

The midi's in the first Doom games had better writing but music used to have to be better in general. I can remember the tracks in the first Dooms. Not so much 2016 or DE though.

I disagree, doom 2016's and ESPICALYL eternal has better music then most of doom 1 and doom 2, then again doom 3's music is better then most of the og soundtracks so....

Doom 3 had music? lol

Its just atmospheric noises that are worse than PS1 Doom / Quake 1 with a main menu theme that sounded like it was made by Tool.
I can appreciate an atmospheric soundtrack, but Doom 3 didn't even get that right.

Also Doom 1 and 2 are highly dependant on what sound card you're using, believe it or not most Doom Source ports use fmod or a basic midi sound table that windows provides, which is basically a broken down version of the Roland Canvas soundfont.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcwiYmJwLo
Hearing it from a real Roland Card is a much, much better improvement over the Soundblaster or other cards people used at the time, or even from running it on a source port like GZDoom.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

I disagree, doom 2016's and ESPICALYL eternal has better music then most of doom 1 and doom 2, then again doom 3's music is better then most of the og soundtracks so....

Doom 3 had music? lol

Its just atmospheric noises that are worse than PS1 Doom / Quake 1 with a main menu theme that sounded like it was made by Tool.
I can appreciate an atmospheric soundtrack, but Doom 3 didn't even get that right.

Also Doom 1 and 2 are highly dependant on what sound card you're using, believe it or not most Doom Source ports use fmod or a basic midi sound table that windows provides, which is basically a broken down version of the Roland Canvas soundfont.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcwiYmJwLo

Hearing it from a real Roland Card is a much, much better improvement over the Soundblaster or other cards people used at the time, or even from running it on a source port like GZDoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhfMAGfM1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI7DLR0DPU
Doom 3 did indeed have music damn good music at that meanwhile... besides at doom's gate and MAYBE 2's soundtrack... is pretty mediocre, let's face it doom 1 and 2 have aged horrible and that includes in the music department

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Doom 3 had music? lol

Its just atmospheric noises that are worse than PS1 Doom / Quake 1 with a main menu theme that sounded like it was made by Tool.
I can appreciate an atmospheric soundtrack, but Doom 3 didn't even get that right.

Also Doom 1 and 2 are highly dependant on what sound card you're using, believe it or not most Doom Source ports use fmod or a basic midi sound table that windows provides, which is basically a broken down version of the Roland Canvas soundfont.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcwiYmJwLo

Hearing it from a real Roland Card is a much, much better improvement over the Soundblaster or other cards people used at the time, or even from running it on a source port like GZDoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhfMAGfM1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI7DLR0DPU
Doom 3 did indeed have music damn good music at that meanwhile... besides at doom's gate and MAYBE 2's soundtrack... is pretty mediocre, let's face it doom 1 and 2 have aged horrible and that includes in the music department

I mean its all personal opinion at the end of the day, but I must say on that point I do prefer Doom II's soundtrack. Doom 1 I feel like they was still exploring exactly what they wanted to do with the game at that point, music was a secondary thing; some of the tracks are pretty sloppy.

Aged horribly is really up for debate, 'specially when Mick Gordon himself sampled several of the songs on purpose; and if we want real "relevant" / "contemporary" music shouldn't we be using Cardi B's WAP in Doom then?

Music doesn't really age, genres just come and go and the viewership changes. Its not much different from any art form really.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhfMAGfM1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI7DLR0DPU
Doom 3 did indeed have music damn good music at that meanwhile... besides at doom's gate and MAYBE 2's soundtrack... is pretty mediocre, let's face it doom 1 and 2 have aged horrible and that includes in the music department

I mean its all personal opinion at the end of the day, but I must say on that point I do prefer Doom II's soundtrack. Doom 1 I feel like they was still exploring exactly what they wanted to do with the game at that point, music was a secondary thing; some of the tracks are pretty sloppy.

Aged horribly is really up for debate, 'specially when Mick Gordon himself sampled several of the songs on purpose; and if we want real "relevant" / "contemporary" music shouldn't we be using Cardi B's WAP in Doom then?

Music doesn't really age, genres just come and go and the viewership changes. Its not much different from any art form really.

Fair enough, its just as someone who didn't play doom 1 and 2 until 6 months ago... i just don't see the big deal with either of them

[Squerol]

Originally posted by Aaron Rodgers:

The midi's in the first Doom games had better writing but music used to have to be better in general.

lmao 120% boomer You are

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

I mean its all personal opinion at the end of the day, but I must say on that point I do prefer Doom II's soundtrack. Doom 1 I feel like they was still exploring exactly what they wanted to do with the game at that point, music was a secondary thing; some of the tracks are pretty sloppy.

Aged horribly is really up for debate, 'specially when Mick Gordon himself sampled several of the songs on purpose; and if we want real "relevant" / "contemporary" music shouldn't we be using Cardi B's WAP in Doom then?

Music doesn't really age, genres just come and go and the viewership changes. Its not much different from any art form really.

Fair enough, its just as someone who didn't play doom 1 and 2 until 6 months ago... i just don't see the big deal with either of them

Yeah, I can understand that. When I was younger I always preferred Quake 3 / Quake 2's OST, though I grew to enjoy the classic Doom OST over a few years. xP

I feel like Doom 2016's music goes absolutely kick-ass blood-pumping with the gameplay, but I don't really listen to it outside of the game which is my biggest problem with it.

[Sanctuary]

Mick Gordon is the only good thing happened to doom score in all years.

[lol no]

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Doom 3 had music? lol

Its just atmospheric noises that are worse than PS1 Doom / Quake 1 with a main menu theme that sounded like it was made by Tool.
I can appreciate an atmospheric soundtrack, but Doom 3 didn't even get that right.

Also Doom 1 and 2 are highly dependant on what sound card you're using, believe it or not most Doom Source ports use fmod or a basic midi sound table that windows provides, which is basically a broken down version of the Roland Canvas soundfont.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcwiYmJwLo

Hearing it from a real Roland Card is a much, much better improvement over the Soundblaster or other cards people used at the time, or even from running it on a source port like GZDoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhfMAGfM1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI7DLR0DPU
Doom 3 did indeed have music damn good music at that meanwhile... besides at doom's gate and MAYBE 2's soundtrack... is pretty mediocre, let's face it doom 1 and 2 have aged horrible and that includes in the music department

I agree with that sentiment, but neither Bobby Prince or Mick Gordon's works are objectively flawed in any way, they just appeal to different people due to their genres and distinctive charm. Just like you prefer Doom 3's soundtrack due to it being downright pan-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, hair-raisingly terrifying at times, some can also like Doom 1 and 2's music due to its MIDI charm and 80s/90s metal cheesyness, or Doom 2016 and Eternal's OSTs for their fast-paced, heart-pounding mix of djent and industrial variations of metal.

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by lol no:

Originally posted by Darkronous the Supreme Senpai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LhfMAGfM1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI7DLR0DPU
Doom 3 did indeed have music damn good music at that meanwhile... besides at doom's gate and MAYBE 2's soundtrack... is pretty mediocre, let's face it doom 1 and 2 have aged horrible and that includes in the music department

I agree with that sentiment, but neither Bobby Prince or Mick Gordon's works are objectively flawed in any way, they just appeal to different people due to their genres and distinctive charm. Just like you prefer Doom 3's soundtrack due to it being downright pan-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, hair-raisingly terrifying at times, some can also like Doom 1 and 2's music due to its MIDI charm and 80s/90s metal cheesyness, or Doom 2016 and Eternal's OSTs for their fast-paced, heart-pounding mix of djent and industrial variations of metal.

Honestly we need 3 composers to appease 3 different types of music preference, then everyone would be happy. xD

I do prefer Aubrey Hodges ambient OST from Doom PSX over Chris Vrenna's Doom 3 OST though... I dunno. I just never gelled with D3's soundtrack for some reason, though I don't mind the menu theme.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Originally posted by lol no:

I agree with that sentiment, but neither Bobby Prince or Mick Gordon's works are objectively flawed in any way, they just appeal to different people due to their genres and distinctive charm. Just like you prefer Doom 3's soundtrack due to it being downright pan-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, hair-raisingly terrifying at times, some can also like Doom 1 and 2's music due to its MIDI charm and 80s/90s metal cheesyness, or Doom 2016 and Eternal's OSTs for their fast-paced, heart-pounding mix of djent and industrial variations of metal.

Honestly we need 3 composers to appease 3 different types of music preference, then everyone would be happy. xD

I do prefer Aubrey Hodges ambient OST from Doom PSX over Chris Vrenna's Doom 3 OST though... I dunno. I just never gelled with D3's soundtrack for some reason, though I don't mind the menu theme.

The menu theme for Doom 3 literally sounds like a variation of Tool's song Lateralus to me.

I mean, I love that song but it's just the power chords and rhythm... sounds just like it.

[I've ran out of profile ideas h]

Originally posted by talloyer:

Look who is talking, Martyguy's lapdog. Here is the ultimate response to your pathetic allegations.

About the problem with Marty "The Coward Scumbag" Stratton's open letter

(long text):
About the problem with Marty "The Coward Scumbag" Stratton's open letter (long text):
I say Mick Gordon is only about 20% to blame, and mostly just because he accepted this DOOMed deal. Only 2 months (or even less since MarTYCOON SCRAPton didn't specify the exact date the contract was signed) to mix the whole OST (59 tracks, over 4 hours)? It was never going to work. It's pointless to speculate why Mick had so much difficulty to deliver more tracks.
Marty Stratton wrote himself as some responsible, dedicated, tolerating, and even caring and forgiving manager/leader, but that could not be further from the truth. Marty Stratton is, in Reality, a irresponsible, coward, unassuming, manipulative, demagogue, dissimulated, slow-thinking and uninspired executive.
He is the personification of why companies need Public Relations Department. This pathetic stunt of his is only working because DOOM Eternal is too much a success to most people to care about this ("a musical album, nah, I don't give a ♥♥♥♥.") and Mick Gordon has been choosing to stay quiet about this overwhelming attack (which is infuriating)!
For starters, why the mix only started on January instead of October/November/2019, when the composing was finally done? Why not instead hiring Mick Gordon straight to compose for the DLCs??? This would have been so much more intelligent for Marty to do, and hiring someone else qualified to do the mixing.
If there were only 12 mandatory tracks, why not defining beforehand which 12 tracks should have been prioritized to be mixed and delivered? Marty didn't do that, which would have helped Mick a lot to focus on his work. Not to mention it was delusional to expect all 59 mixed tracks were to be delivered when only 12 were mandatory. If I was in Mick Gordon’s shoes I would have chosen the 12 most interesting tracks to work on, deliver them to Marty Stratton and tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off and get by (in a polite, professional way, of course. Or not.).
He claimed they needed to be "mindful about consumer protection laws". ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! Bethesda, its parent company, breaks them all the time, and still stands strong (not in reputation), why couldn't id Software endure any potential legal trouble by delaying the musical album? And for a Collector's Edition, which only a few thousands of people at best to own it; but they do not bother about delaying a game which far more people pre-ordered and are expected to buy millions of copies, where people even applaud the delay because they assume the game really needs polishing (a sadly ubiquitous reality of this generation). Double standards! Why? Because (I assume) Bethesda rushed the release of the musical album and refused to delay it, WHEN THEY COULD. Bethesda or id Software could have released a statement apologizing for the delay of the OST album of DOOM Eternal, saying there were unforeseen complications, establishing a new date, 3 or 4 months beyond the original release date and assuring Collector's Edition they would receive first, at the promised date with no additional costs; if a physical delivery proved impossible (pandemic and such), they would provide a free code to download the OST. Simple enough, but no, they preferred to rush the OST album and spare additional work (a musical album doesn't make as much money as a game and its DLCs, micro-transactions...).
As for Mick Gordon's delays: Like I said, it's pointless to speculate what were his personal issues, but regardless, since there was such a tight schedule, by mid-February MARTY STRATTON SHOULD HAVE FIRED MICK GORDON to be replaced asap, presumably by the competent enough Chad Mossholder, who would have had much more time to do that thankless job. But MARTY STRATTON CHOSE NOT TO; he decided to persist with Mick Gordon , HIS FAULT. He waited for the game to be released, and more 2 weeks of delay to only then resorting to Chad to finish the job, and the poor bastard couldn't do much good. Make this clear: Marty Stratton had more than enough time (more than 2 days, more than 2 weeks) to replace Mick Gordon and still deliver a decently mixed album, but he wasted his chances. Marty's responsibility.
It's funny that Marty pointed that Mick "did nothing to defend" (buaah, you mean bastard) Chad from the attacks he was supposedly receiving. I say: so what?! Chad is Marty's (the boss) problem, not Mick's, so it was the former's responsibility to defend him. Mick never attacked Chad in the first place, all he did was distancing himself from the poorly mixed tracks, which any layman can acknowledge the abysmal difference in quality. Since Chad's name was credited and everyone knows Mick Gordon is better than that of course people were to criticize Chad. Sure, as always, several must have exaggerated on criticism, offending and such, but this would never have happened at all if id Software or Bethesda had been transparent in the first place. Sure there still would have been haters, but people would have been forgiving to Chad; though most likely would instead to focus the pressure all on id Software’s upper management (oops, Marty Stratton, how coincidental) and Bethesda’s too, but this was undesirable, wasn’t it? Marty must have thought people would shut up shortly, but they didn’t, Mick expressed interest to finish the mix later if he had the opportunity, so Marty decided to play very rough to shut all that pressure down. And thanks to you people who are too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happy with DOOM Eternal as if it was all forgiven, it worked all too well for Marty Stratton.
In fact, If Marty Stratton was so interested in defending Chad Mossholder as he claims, he would have done it as soon as the attacks started against Chad, 3 days tops, to release a statement confronting and calling out the people who were abusing their criticism, and taking the opportunity to address the situation, to apologize to the public (his responsibility as studio director, yes) and especially, promising to release a better version of the OST album, for free to Collector's Edition owners. Marty Stratton chose to do NONE of that. He chose not to confront the people because he didn't want to risk losing consumers, to potentially lower the sales. In other words, Marty Stratton didn't want to lose money and preferred instead to make Mick Gordon a scapegoat using the attacks on Chad Mossholder as an excuse. COWARD! To make things absolutely clear: MARTY STRATTON DID NOT HAVE TO ATTACK MICK GORDON TO DEFEND CHAD MOSSHOLDER FROM THE PUBLIC. The very existence of such an aggressive open letter towards Mick Gordon is very disturbing. If Mick had been trashtalking a lot, offending id Software and, Bethesda, actively inciting hatred upon them (just like happens too often in Politics), this open letter’s existence would have been absolutely fair and even necessary. Except it was never necessary to do so. Mick just gave a few comments and stayed quiet. As Marty Stratton himself admitted on the letter, he talked with Mick Gordon (by e-mail) who justified him his issues with the DOOMed project he unfortunately had accepted to work on. So why go public, hm? Was there no resolution between them? Funny that Marty Stratton never told us what his own response was. So this open letter feels either like a gratuitous “intensive aggression” or like a "personal vendetta" against Mick Gordon. Why did Bethesda allowed this? Why not let things resolve themselves privately when they clearly could?
All more reason why it is so disconcerting Mick Gordon has been choosing not to manifest himself. The current scenario is too bad for him, far too many people believed completely on Marty Stratton's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ far too easily, and his reputation is ruined enough Mick is bound to have trouble to find future work on gaming industry. Other studios and companies will see him as someone unreliable, a liability. For id software, his time is done. Though Marty Stratton only spoke of the DLCs, it is unlikely they will hire Mick Gordon again for next projects, whether of Doom (id Software might like too much Mick’s replacement) or id’s other franchises. And Bethesda's too, by extension: Wolfenstein 3 or Prey 2 , with Mick Gordon? Unlikely.
And do you know the very worst of all this? Regardless of who you think is to blame the most, MARTY STRATTON NEVER PROMISED TO FIX THE SOUNDTRACK ALBUM OF DOOM ETERNAL All he said the closest was “If Mick is dissatisfied with the content of his delivery, we would certainly entertain distributing additional tracks” which is very vague and even condescending. Too late for that. The bottom line is, THE OST ALBUM OF DOOM ETERNAL IS GOING TO STAY AS IS, eternally.
So, people, please try to be more critical of this. Claim for Mick Gordon to present his own story. Let Mick Gordon defend himself. Do not presume too much, do not presume Marty Stratton was absolutely right, and do never presume Bethesda is innocent either.

ok but i gotta go to sentinel prime real quick to find out who tf asked
also epic bump/necro

[Jimmi Stixx]

Originally posted by Grampire:

Originally posted by Hatsune Miku:

Honestly we need 3 composers to appease 3 different types of music preference, then everyone would be happy. xD

I do prefer Aubrey Hodges ambient OST from Doom PSX over Chris Vrenna's Doom 3 OST though... I dunno. I just never gelled with D3's soundtrack for some reason, though I don't mind the menu theme.

The menu theme for Doom 3 literally sounds like a variation of Tool's song Lateralus to me.

I mean, I love that song but it's just the power chords and rhythm... sounds just like it.

Tool just cashing a check Trent didn't want.

Mick's djent has dub step breakdowns that sound like machine gun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ diarrhea. A few tracks aside that gave the game better ambiance(a few in 2016) most of it was dull noise that just got more annoying when fights would drag.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by Aaron Rodgers:

Originally posted by Grampire:

The menu theme for Doom 3 literally sounds like a variation of Tool's song Lateralus to me.

I mean, I love that song but it's just the power chords and rhythm... sounds just like it.

Tool just cashing a check Trent didn't want.

Oh man, you totally seem like one of the eyeliner guys in high school that had a backpack with "Trent Reznor is God" drawn on it in sharpie.

[Jimmi Stixx]

Originally posted by Grampire:

Originally posted by Aaron Rodgers:

Tool just cashing a check Trent didn't want.

Oh man, you totally seem like one of the eyeliner guys that had a backpack with "Trent Reznor is God" drawn on it in sharpie.

...And you seem like a judgmental ♥♥♥♥. Are you unhappy?

Trent did the music for Quake he was going to do Doom 3 as well but backed out. So Tool pooped some riffs and $$$.

I like a lot of music. NIN is some of it.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by Aaron Rodgers:

Originally posted by Grampire:

Oh man, you totally seem like one of the eyeliner guys that had a backpack with "Trent Reznor is God" drawn on it in sharpie.

...And you seem like a judgmental ♥♥♥♥. Are you unhappy?

Trent did the music for Quake he was going to do Doom 3 as well but backed out. So Tool pooped some riffs and $$$.

I like a lot of music. NIN is some of it.

Yeah, Tool didnt do the music for Doom 3. Like, zero involvement.

I am a prick, but I'm not usually this judgmental tbh. When I am, it's in response to people like you.