DOOM Eternal

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Alien51 26 ABR 2020 a las 2:46 p. m.
The Maykrs are Demons (Theory)
Maykrs are demons.
Just a different part of Hell's/Dark Lords' plans that even the Maykrs themselves don't understand. They are bio-engineered by the Dark Lord just like all the other demon soldiers.
Take note of their facial similarities. Also why do they hide their true faces with masks?
Because they look like demons. Which would arouse suspicion among their loyal Sentinels.

Their memories are bio-engineered so they don't know their true origins.
They themselves have an unfounded belief 'religion' based on this alien 'Father'.
Little do they know, their Father, is the Dark Lord.
Just like the demons, the Maykrs share a 'hive mind'.
Demons are constantly fighting each other, until the Doom Slayer shows up.
Then they drop all their hatred for each other and attack the Doom Slayer; as if under command.
Similar to the Zerg from Starcraft going feral when a Celebrate is destroyed.
Of note is that the Maykr drones do this as well.
Well they have a hive mind too you say.
Then how come they fight side by side with the demons flawlessly?
Do the Maykrs want to stop the demons invasion of Urdak?
Or do they all share the same hive mind with the Dark Lord?

Notice how the switches both in Hell and Urdak are HUMAN skulls.
Curious.
They both look down on humans as a means to an end, as slaves, as a power switch?

"You will not stand in the way of Urdak's progress. This is how it has always been done - it is not for you to deny us our chance at prosperity." -Khan Maykr
This isn't the first time the Maykrs have done this.

Purple, Blue, Red Maykrs.[66.media.tumblr.com]
The 3 stages of their 'farming' process.
They 'make' (= Maykr) a world of humans. Purple.
They 'convert' that world. Blue.
They 'harvest' that world. Red.

Step 1 - Make
Why are the people of Argent D'nur human?
Because the Maykr's seed human life throughout the galaxy.

Step 2 - Convert
The Maykrs come to bring enlightenment to the human civilizations. This can speed up a population's growth, can grow cults to help with stage 3, and (in the case of Argent D'nur) be used to speed up the process on multitudes of planets. Don't have to convince everyone you're a god if you can send an army to simply conquer and subjugate people.

Step 3 - Harvest
Hell invades world to collect souls for Hell Energy production.

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Samur Maykr = Samuel Hayden persona = a Seraphim
(Seraphim is a plural word, but it seems the devs are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and didnt know that; so they use it as a title.)
(This title of 'Seraphim' is applied to anyone who has gone through the Divinity Machine. We see the door call the Doom Slayer a Seraphim. Why?)
(Well cause he went through the Divinity Machine making him 'immortal' and has 'foreign entities' in his blood. Samuel was on the Fortress communicating remotely.)

In Doom Slayer's Divinity Machine flashback.
The Seraphim aka Samur Maykr has a robotic 'human' body.
Five fingers on each hand, shaped exactly like a human's. This means he is not a Maykr.
He is 'immortal' through a different means. The Maykr offer salvation to the 'believers'. Perhaps Samur was a 'believer' and had his world invaded just like Earth.
Therefore he is not one of the Maykr species. But rather an honorary Maykr.

A 'High Priest' of sorts. Similar to the Hell Priests, but one from his own world which is far more ancient. He willingly sold out his own people and believed the Maykr's lies even after his world was destroyed. But later he learned the true purpose. His people were harvested for Hell Energy. Years and years go on of him being a priest for the Maykrs. Perhaps thousands, perhaps millions.... He can't voice his opposition, he'd be killed.

So he plays the long game from the shadows. He eventually works his way up to the rank of Chancellor to the Khan Maykr. Now he has the authority/access to the Divinity Machine. Now he just needs the right man to use it on. Someone with endless willpower to fight on.

Someone to slay the Maykrs.
Someone to end the eternal doom that all worlds are inevitably subject to.
A Doom Slayer.
(Get it? He slays the 'Doom Eternal' of worlds being destroyed, by ending the harvesting cycle.)
Última edición por Alien51; 26 ABR 2020 a las 7:27 p. m.
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Onni 26 ABR 2020 a las 2:50 p. m. 
Seems like this theory just throws out the whole line wear Vega asks if he is the Father.
Also Seraphim is not a title, it is the name of a Maykr which is shown in the cutscene as the "Hooded Figure".
Última edición por Onni; 26 ABR 2020 a las 2:51 p. m.
Alien51 26 ABR 2020 a las 2:55 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Onnisaurus:
Seems like this theory just throws out the whole line wear Vega asks if he is the Father.
Also Seraphim is not a title, it is the name of a Maykr which is shown in the cutscene as the "Hooded Figure".
Notice how he 'asks' if he is the Father. Perhaps he isn't. That could be explained as his AI programming by the 'true Father' (aka Dark Lord) to think that he is the Father of the Maykrs.

They how come the Doom Slayer is called Seraphim when he walks through the door to the Icon of Sin ritual?
Osas 26 ABR 2020 a las 2:57 p. m. 
maykr = mayker
urdak = your duck
Chard 26 ABR 2020 a las 3:31 p. m. 
Considering that in some versions of theology that demons are fallen angels, maybe the demons are really angels/Maykrs, have you thought about that? It fits. With the "fallen angel" analogy, I'd also like to mention the Sepharim/Samuel Hayden, or S. Hayden, or maybe if you pronounce it just right Satan.
Osas 26 ABR 2020 a las 3:42 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chard:
Considering that in some versions of theology that demons are fallen angels, maybe the demons are really angels/Maykrs, have you thought about that? It fits. With the "fallen angel" analogy, I'd also like to mention the Sepharim/Samuel Hayden, or S. Hayden, or maybe if you pronounce it just right Satan.
No, Samuel is named after biblical prophet - Samuel
cecilnezuto 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:31 p. m. 
"That is a weapon, not a teleporter" ~ Gospel of Samuel
SuperFly 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:44 p. m. 
He is VEGA.
SuperFly 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:47 p. m. 
Also, the shoehorned space-politics in this game are laughable.

Yeah, they're all evil and of Hell -- that is why DOOMGuy is wiping them out.

He gets it.

...There's a reason the supposed 'good guys'/'surviviors' use the term 'mortally challenged' like social sheep...It's a brush stroke to show that everyone/thing is fallen/corrupted -- and the DOOM Marine has come to cleanse it.
Última edición por SuperFly; 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:48 p. m.
Alien51 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por SuperFly:
Also, the shoehorned space-politics in this is laughable.
What are you referring to?

Publicado originalmente por SuperFly:
...There's a reason the supposed 'good guys'/'surviviors' use the term 'mortally challenged' like social sheep...It's a brush stroke to show that everyone/thing is fallen/corrupted -- and the DOOM Marine has come to cleanse it.
The cultists are spreading propaganda and telling the human survivors that the demons are the 'mortally challenged'.
Not sure what you are trying to say.
SuperFly 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:55 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
What are you referring to(/trying to say)?

That I find your theory spot-on -- that the Maykrs and all their ministrations are of definite evil.
I also find the bloated meta-plotting of the game to be fatiguing and tiresome, at best. It's the most complexly unnecessary window-dressing ever.
SuperFly 26 ABR 2020 a las 4:57 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
The cultists are spreading propaganda and telling the human survivors that the demons are the 'mortally challenged'.

...and a resistance movement (exactly what ARC is) would be wise to such propaganda -- unless they were, too, themselves, rotten in their base principles.
Alien51 26 ABR 2020 a las 5:07 p. m. 
The announcer hologram lady was UAC, not ARC.
And UAC was split between cultists and not cultists.
SuperFly 26 ABR 2020 a las 5:13 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
The announcer hologram lady was UAC, not ARC.
And UAC was split between cultists and not cultists.

ARC gives the broadcasts transmitted to the Fortress of DOOM -- and they clearly use the terminology -- betraying their blighted foundations.
k3rr3k 26 ABR 2020 a las 6:47 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por SuperFly:
Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
What are you referring to(/trying to say)?

That I find your theory spot-on -- that the Maykrs and all their ministrations are of definite evil.
I also find the bloated meta-plotting of the game to be fatiguing and tiresome, at best. It's the most complexly unnecessary window-dressing ever.
You find the story to be complex? lol
theman389 26 ABR 2020 a las 7:00 p. m. 
This is awesome dude. I've been thinking the same thing about the Maykrs and Samuel Hayden.

I still believe there's no way they're not related to demons in some way. They just have way too many similarities, visual and societal. There are differences too, so they're not identical. And not just the superficial agreement they had. More of an ancestral, genealogical relation or somethin.

Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
Notice how the switches both in Hell and Urdak are HUMAN skulls.
Curious.
They both look down on humans as a means to an end, as slaves, as a power switch?

"You will not stand in the way of Urdak's progress. This is how it has always been done - it is not for you to deny us our chance at prosperity." -Khan Maykr
This isn't the first time the Maykrs have done this.

So ♥♥♥♥♥♥ true. I didn't see videos from AcidGlow or anyone else really thinking deeply into this. Even before Argent Energy, they've been doing similar things to mortal beings for YEARS. We don't know how, but they've been doing some, perhaps ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, things to subjugate mortals species and use our essence or something integral for us living individually. Once demons finally found there way to Argent D'Nur and the priests and Khan Maykr discovered Argent Energy, that trumped every way they used mortals before tenfold.

And Samuel Hayden? No way he's a Maykr. Nor Samur. I like your information about "The Seraphim." I appreciate your explanation of the meaning. Makes a lot more clarity. I like to think the end credits, showing them both with a "/" and voice actor, is a red herring. Like Batman's bat symbol on his chest. id software WANT people to focus on that and think it's the case, when in possible actuality it's not. Don't know for sure obviously, none of us do. I think some Youtuber's like AcidGlow are on the incorrect side for the story and lore.

I like your idea that maybe he is a previous races' priest like Maykr figure. Interesting. But =idk, I'm worried they may have convoluted the purity and simpleness of 2016's story and lore. This game definitely has story elements introduced that were never a part of 2016's story development. The challenge is making their new stuff meld with their original stuff so retcons and lore loopholes don't happen. Hopefully they improve and make it meld flawlessly. I want Samuel to still be human. They can make it work in my opinion, cause Samuel came from a very wealthy lineage, AND this mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ was a genious. But they muffled, or perhaps sullied, that idea with Eternal's sudden portrayal or Samuel being an encyclopedia of Sentinel and Maykr history/ways. But an experienced encyclopedia. Like he went through that ♥♥♥♥ too. That's a retcon if they stick with it. And I don't like retcons of good story elements.

Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
Also why do they hide their true faces with masks?
Because they look like demons. Which would arouse suspicion among their loyal Sentinels.

They know if you ask me. The Maykrs shared new knowledge with the Argenta for sure, but they were some smart people themselves. They engineered, the priests practiced mysterious rituals for the Wraiths. The many statues they have all over there lands and space faring vehicles depict the faces of Maykr Angels. The Maykrs are a pretty transparent species for the most part. They did tell the Argenta about their transfiguration and what it means. Or at least didn't hide the information so the Argenta couldn't figure it out. The Maykrs don't lie, they just withhold information. That's what I gather.

Publicado originalmente por Alien51:
Don't have to convince everyone you're a god if you can send an army to simply conquer and subjugate people.

Totally. I don't think the Argenta might have been as peaceful and righteous as their own texts describe themselves as meaning. They mentioned the word crusade always with the prefix holy. They may have been sniffing their own stuff to con themselves into believing they were helping other civilizations. Security and living was their form of righteousness. True, individual freedom wasn't. Like their "honorable coliseums." The "freedom" you survived for was simply serving their armies. Uhhhhhh, no one isn't talking about that? Come on guys, Night Sentinels might have been good and cool compared to demons, but there peoples' history isn't the same, "admiration" worthy.
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