EDIT: Biblical Symbolism

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally I made this on a bad day and I was trying to troll people. But Now I'm actually having actual insightful discussions on whether or not there is possible symbolism in the game.

My original idea was that Slayer being called "The Beast" was that he was the literal interpretation of The Beast from Biblical lore. However, some people have brought up the possibility of him being a representation of the arch angel Uriel.

[Broadsword]

Errr, story-wise Doomguy is actually the embodiment of God, or the Creator, capital G/C

So if you're doing what you're doing you should do it better.

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally posted by Broadsword:

Errr, story-wise Doomguy is actually the embodiment of God, or the Creator, capital G/C

So if you're doing what you're doing you should do it better.

I don't really get that. If anything, I kind of think VEGA was meant to be God but, I mean you are ultimately killing angels, and destroying a world heavily implied to be Heaven

[Broadsword]

During one of the cutscenes, when you reach the Divinity Machine the Doomguy has a flashback where, I believe, he is... We'll just say injected, with the power of God.

I know the voice line you're talking about where Vega asks if he's the Father but for evidence supporting my statement, consider the loading screen tip for the Icon of Sin level wherein the Doomguy is stated to be the right hand of the Creator on the Corrax Tablet.

I mean, it's just conjecture, but also there's the questions from the audio logs of the lady who's studying Doomguy when you're going to get/rescue/whatever Hayden. She questions if he's God or something like it pretty outright IMO, going so far as to eventually place her faith in him.

I do get what you're saying, but I think it's probably important to (and I don't know if you're Christian or what so understand I don't mean offense here but) consider it for the sake of the writing's sense as a Gnostic interpretation of God, so really Doomguy probably just has a lot of God in him.

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally posted by Broadsword:

During one of the cutscenes, when you reach the Divinity Machine the Doomguy has a flashback where, I believe, he is... We'll just say injected, with the power of God.

I know the voice line you're talking about where Vega asks if he's the Father but for evidence supporting my statement, consider the loading screen tip for the Icon of Sin level wherein the Doomguy is stated to be the right hand of the Creator on the Corrax Tablet.

I mean, it's just conjecture, but also there's the questions from the audio logs of the lady who's studying Doomguy when you're going to get/rescue/whatever Hayden. She questions if he's God or something like it pretty outright IMO, going so far as to eventually place her faith in him.

I do get what you're saying, but I think it's probably important to (and I don't know if you're Christian or what so understand I don't mean offense here) but consider it for the sake of the writing's sense as a Gnostic interpretation of God, so really Doomguy probably just has a lot of God in him.

This is actually kind of interesting. I mean, I still think a lot of DOOMGuy is based on LaVeyan Satanism, with Samuel Hayden being a fallen angle and all, but I should take more of a look into this.

[LordShoe]

cool

nobody cares

[FireGryph]

Another connection to be thought of, the archangel Uriel. Somwtimes referred to as 'the right hand of God,' and depicted as wielding a sword in his right hand and a flame in his left. The Slayer pictures show him usually holding the crucible on his right, and the flame belch is mounted on his left shoulder.

[SpikyMuffin]

I really wish to be wrong, but Doom Eternal story is a mess, it seems like someone wanted a cool fantasy about one guy slaying demon hordes set in 22nd century and made a comic book, which id then translated into a game.

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally posted by LordShoe:

cool

nobody cares

Apparantly some people do. What are you getting at?

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally posted by SpikyMuffin:

I really wish to be wrong, but Doom Eternal story is a mess, it seems like someone wanted a cool fantasy about one guy slaying demon hordes set in 22nd century and made a comic book, which id then translated into a game.

I kind of think it's cool, but I am admittedly simple minded. There is a whole lot of unnecessary lore that they could've condensed though.

[Vathek1]

The Makyrs are not angels, and the hell in Doom's universe is not the biblical hell. The demons in Doom are not even demons in the biblical sense, either because they are easily killed with normal weaponry whereas an actual demon would not only be nigh invulnerable to mortal weapons, but would also be impossible to actually "kill." (They can only be banished back to hell and kept from returning through strong faith.) You aren't going to blow up an evil spirit with a rocket launcher.

If anything, Doom has always made satanists and pagans look very bad, and the nu Doom does this most of all. It links those sorts of beliefs with the worst sort of atrocities and excesses. Nearly all real-world satanists and pagans don go around sacrificing their fellow cult members (or any one else, for the matter), nor do they aspire to see the world ravaged by demons. For the most part, they are just confused and edgy hedonists, not terrorists like the UAC cultists are shown to be.

[VHS_Horror_Show]

Originally posted by Vathek1:

The Makyrs are not angels, and the hell in Doom's universe is not the biblical hell. The demons in Doom are not even demons in the biblical sense, either because they are easily killed with normal weaponry whereas an actual demon would not only be nigh invulnerable to mortal weapons, but would also be impossible to actually "kill." (They can only be banished back to hell and kept from returning through strong faith.) You aren't going to blow up an evil spirit with a rocket launcher.

If anything, Doom has always made satanists and pagans look very bad, and the nu Doom does this most of all. It links those sorts of beliefs with the worst sort of atrocities and excesses. Nearly all real-world satanists and pagans don go around sacrificing their fellow cult members (or any one else, for the matter), nor do they aspire to see the world ravaged by demons. For the most part, they are just confused and edgy hedonists, not terrorists like the UAC cultists are shown to be.

I do get that what you're getting at, even though the argument of this Hell is not THE Hell of our reality, despite it being THE Hell of it's own reality. But that this very clearly meant to be a sort of representation of the occult, and maybe we should stop taking any context too seriously. But didn't the Codex say Maykrs are angels? I know the Seraphim is referred to be one somewhere.

Sorry if this is a little jumbled, I had a bit to drink tonight.

[Fat Angus]

Hail Lord Satan!

[Broadsword]

Originally posted by VHS_Horror_Show:

This is actually kind of interesting. I mean, I still think a lot of DOOMGuy is based on LaVeyan Satanism, with Samuel Hayden being a fallen angle and all, but I should take more of a look into this.

Honestly, I'm actually really interested in this - and also I'm fairly interested in the symbolism that this guy mentions:

Originally posted by FireGryph:

Another connection to be thought of, the archangel Uriel. Somwtimes referred to as 'the right hand of God,' and depicted as wielding a sword in his right hand and a flame in his left. The Slayer pictures show him usually holding the crucible on his right, and the flame belch is mounted on his left shoulder.

I was going to write in my review an opinion based on my take of the game's writing, but I'd really like to hear more about some other ways to look at it if you're willing to keep shooting the ♥♥♥♥ about it.

[burningmime]

Dude, thanks for this topic! Next time I'm tripping out and think it's 1993, I will pull this up and have some awesome arguments!

[FireGryph]

I dont have much to go on off the top of my head, would need to google things for reference. But if VEGA is the Father as implied in Urdak, you have the maykr as angela that have fallen from grace at that point.

The Slayer could be a reference to Uriel.
And Hayden, while many have pointed out that S Hayden said aloud spunds like Satan, could be the representation of the Archangel Michael. Michael was said to have been first a healer, then over time he became a protector, then the leader of heavens forces against hell. So Hayden's work with the UAC and research has led to many diacoveries and treatments, before the entire Hell invasion. He was already doing research and guiding the UAC to develop tech to combat.... stuff. Then, he became the leader of ARC, the last collection of humans struggling to fight the demons.

This is all very loose, and while i dont think characters in Doom are literal represntations, there may be Christian inspirations