FPS issues on a capable rig

[jay-DOOM.95]

I am no where near reaching the frame rates in links below while running a similar set up. According to these links i should definitely be hitting 144 fps on a 2560 x 1440p 144 Hz monitor. I am getting fluctuating frames from 115 to 70 on Low and on Ultra Nightmare. There are some changes in fps between the settings but not much. I should at least be able to max out fps on low settings which I can't seem to do. I was able to run DOOM 2016 on Ultra settings 1440p @ pretty close to a consistent 144 fps with a gtx 1080

Gameplay:

cpu i7-8700k, gpu: 2080 super
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMPJHiIpelg


Benchmark Graphs:

cpu: i9-9900k, gpu 2080 super
https://wccftech.com/doom-eternal-pc-performance-analysis-rip-and-tear-without-a-care/


My set up:

CPU: i7-8700k @ 4.99 GHz (overclocked and sync all cores)
Ram: 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz (Dual channel set up)
Motherboard: Asus z370-p
GPU: EVGA rtx 2080 super xc ultra overclocked to 2070 MHz core clock and 8000MHz mem clock with power limit @ 116% (using msi afterburner, I like the hardware monitoring better than EVGA X1)
PSU: corsair rm 850x
monitor: MSI MPG27-CQ (wqhd @ 144 Hz, 1 ms response time)


I have no temperature problems with CPU or GPU, CPU runs around 50 C and GPU around 60 C while gaming. On Task Manager my CPU shows 70% utilization sometimes when there's alot going on, my GPU utilization never goes about 70-80 % percent and is usually a lot lower. However in MSI hardware monitor my GPU usage is 98% (I am not sure if that is the same thing).

This is what I tried so far:

Disabled all Overlays (steam, afterburner, Nividia, Microsoft game mode, although I still have game mode on)
optimized Nvidia control panel for maximum performance (aka maximum fps), scaling off, selected GPU to be primary video card.
Most recent driver for GPU (with clean install and used CCleaner to fully remove old driver)
Most recent Bios for motherboard
Set windows settings in advanced system settings for maximum performance
Set power option for high performance
shut off all background app except for windows defender
Verified steam files were downloaded correctly and game up to date
Close out steam launcher while playing
verified that monitor is set to 2560 x 1440p and 144 Hz


In game: ( I want ultra presets so these are the options I have played with that do not change image quality directly)

Game metrics off/on: no difference
sync all frames off
scaling off
native resolution and 16 x 9 aspect ratio (native)
set to full screen
messed around with fov: no difference between default, 103, and maximum

I do not have issues in any other games older games runs at stable high frames max settings (DOOM 2016, Modern Warfare Remastered) and the New Modern Warfare runs at 120 fps high settings on 1440p. I am just at a loss of what to do according to those links posted above I should be able to have a stable 144 fps with my set up.

Any tips on what to do next?

[Ozeko]

Try setting the CPU and GPU back to default settings if you have them overclocked. Turn on game metrics in game and see if anything is in the yellow or red.

[jay-DOOM.95]

Thank, I tried that and found that my gpu max frame time goes red causing average frame time and consequently the total max and total average to also go red. I briefly looked it up and found that it could be something to do with the gpu memory clock, but both the core clock and memory clock are basically stable plateaus in msi hardware monitor.

I thought it was maybe the Vbios but it appears to be up to date.

anyone have any idea what a spike in max frame time from the gpu might mean or how to troubleshoot it?

Thanks in advance

[jay-DOOM.95]

also windows has direct x 12. anyone have any advise?. I will try launching doom eternal in directx 11 to see if that changes anything.

[xWinkler]

disable steam fps counter overlay or any other overlays if u use them

[jay-DOOM.95]

All the overlays are off and still have issues

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by jlmiceli:

also windows has direct x 12. anyone have any advise?. I will try launching doom eternal in directx 11 to see if that changes anything.

Doom Eternal doesn't use DirectX so that won't change anything.

I see you used CCleaner for a clean driver install - that did exactly nothing (CCleaner is mostly placebo software that has the potential to break registry entries - don't use it). Use DDU and do a fresh driver install, and we'll go from there.

Also, is your GPU directly connected to the PCIe slot, or do you have a riser cable installed? Have you run GPUZ to make sure the GPU is in the actual PCIe x16 slot and running at 3.0 speed?

[Squiggly1]

Which NV drivers are you using? I'm still on 442.74, as many reported graphical and framerate issues when updating to newer drivers. Granted, I'm on a 1080. So updates specific to the RTX line aren't a concern for me. However, it may alleviate some issues for anyone using NV graphics cards. Also, what type of HDD is the game installed upon? Eternal makes heavy use of texture/asset streaming making some type of SSD the best option to maintain really high consistent framerates. I'm using a Samsung 950Pro NVMe SSD, so no bottlenecks there.

Are you running something like MSI Afterburner? If so, close it out and disable all monitoring from that along with any overlay from Steam or other applications (including the system performance metrics in Eternal itself). I also disabled Steams shader cache option and stuck with the one Nvidia offer in their control panel.

One issue that cropped up with Eternal in general is some issues with realtek sound drivers. What sound device do you have. My motherboard uses a Creative Labs built in device. But, if your audio uses a Realtek product, see if there are updated drivers for that from the mobo vendor or from wherever you bought a sound card. Though, this is primarily for those who are experiencing sound issues. It's still something to look into.

[Wehzy]

Originally posted by jlmiceli:

also windows has direct x 12. anyone have any advise?. I will try launching doom eternal in directx 11 to see if that changes anything.

DOOM doesnt use direct X. It uses vulkan.

[jay-DOOM.95]

Originally posted by Wehzy 'ftp:

Originally posted by jlmiceli:

also windows has direct x 12. anyone have any advise?. I will try launching doom eternal in directx 11 to see if that changes anything.

DOOM doesnt use direct X. It uses vulkan.

Good to know.. explains why nothing changed lol

[jay-DOOM.95]

All good stuff to know thanks.

I will get DDU and do a proper clean install of the most current driver (445.75) and see if that works and if not then I will do a clean install with the (442.74) and see if that works.

I am pretty sure my card is connected properly multiple programs recognize my card and I do not have issues in any other game other than Call of Duty WW2 which just black screens when i try to initiate a game (multiplay/campaign/zombie) from the menu...I am not sure if its related I was thinking it was an issue with that game specifically. My other games: DOOM 2016, Modern Warfare Remastered and the new Modern Warfare all run pretty well.

Is there a diagnostic program that tests GPU connection and speed/data transfer, I mean a program separate from Bench marking software which I haven't messed around with yet, but I am considering it if I exhaust all other options.

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by jlmiceli:

All good stuff to know thanks.

I will get DDU and do a proper clean install of the most current driver (445.75) and see if that works and if not then I will do a clean install with the (442.74) and see if that works.

I am pretty sure my card is connected properly multiple programs recognize my card and I do not have issues in any other game other than Call of Duty WW2 which just black screens when i try to initiate a game (multiplay/campaign/zombie) from the menu...I am not sure if its related I was thinking it was an issue with that game specifically. My other games: DOOM 2016, Modern Warfare Remastered and the new Modern Warfare all run pretty well.

Is there a diagnostic program that tests GPU connection and speed/data transfer, I mean a program separate from Bench marking software which I haven't messed around with yet, but I am considering it if I exhaust all other options.

GPUZ.

[jay-DOOM.95]

I got GPUZ and DDU and did a proper clean install but I did the older drivers (442.74) because based on a question I was asked it seemed like this driver had better performance. Not seeing a gain The GPUZ says everything is working right and the card is sitting st stable clocks and power and at 97% usage. For some reason windows task manager still pegs gpu utilization at 70% give or take, even though in other games the utilization matches up with MSI afterburner for instance so not sure whats going on with that. I played the game in standard clocks and slightly overclocked ( 4.95 GHz CPU, 2050 MHz core clock, 8000 MHz Memory clock GPU, Ram still at 3200 MHz) Not really a significant difference between settings changes and FOV changes. I have tried CPU at 4.99 GHz sync all cores as well and not much of a difference either at 1440 p. I was able to hit the 144 fps at 1080 p windowed screen at any graphics settings. I also updated my sound driver and disabled Nvidia sound driver. Again heat is not an issue on CPU or GPU

The reason I am trying so hard to hit those frames at 1440p at ultra settings is that according to the benchmarks and videos people made the 2080 super should be crushing this game at a steady average fps well above 144 fps ( my target is 144 fps to match 144Hz monitor)

It just seems like there is something fundamentally wrong but I am running out of things to try. I will try this over again with the newest Nvidia drivers and see what happens.

[jay-DOOM.95]

I should mention I have a dual monitor set up but game only on one monitor and the other monitor I use for MSI afterburner to track performance and thermals while testing overclocks/ game setting optimizations. I have never had an issue with the second screen running afterburner while playing other games

[rogermorse]

I also have problems. Seeing all those crazy framerates for doom online even with potato cards....Started the game now, on nightmare settings 3440x1440 as soon as I land in the city (right after the first fights) I get 38 fps. 9700k and 1080ti. In the first scenes it was staying around 80. Every glory kill makes it drop to 50ish though. Very unstable framerate was not expecting this. Doom 2016 on max is keeping 100fps rock solid.

EDIT :::: ok in my case disabling steam overlay did indeed make everything better. Now in that place with the broken buildings instead of 38 I have 75-80....but still far from the numbers I was expecting (was expecting 100 rock solid).

[jay-DOOM.95]

I no longer have FPS issues but I am not sure exactly what I did since I tried so many things. I got GPUZ and CPUZ, and everything seemed fine, my ram seemed a little slow but that was it. I updated bios, windows, vbios, drivers( monitor, sound, gpu with DDU and clean install), turned off overlays, several different configurations of Nvidia control panel to optimize performance, optimized windows and power for performance, and disabled all overlays ( windows, Nvidia , Steam). I saw no real change in performance from low to Ultra nightmare, basically fps and utilization were low on all settings, and overclocks that I used in other older games were now seeming unstable.

This all started when I upgraded my GPU from gtx 1080 armor oc to EVGA RTX 2080 super xc ultra ( I specifically decided on this card over the 2080 Ti because bench marks showed this card was enough to crush doom eternal at 1440p max settings, and because I'm holding out for the 3080 ti's to come out before I build the ultimate SLI rig, and also because if this COVID19 thing is the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT, aka major societal disruptions for extended periods of time , not so much apocalypse, I didn't want to be stuck with the 1080 for who knows how long.) I also upgraded my PSU from 600 Watts to RM 850x which is obviously way more than enough.

The new set up with my i7 8700k was lackluster, I was expecting massive gains in all my games but it was more or less about the same as the gtx 1080 but with wayyy less heat which is still better than a sharp stick in the eye. I proceeded to update and configure and reset to defaults and us auto optimizations and manual over clocking (I only have air cooling but i have good case airflow, so I am not aggressively overclocking)

I was having stuttering and low usage percentage for GPU even though the CPU wasn't above 60 - 70% usage, so at least I don't think it was bottle necking. I noticed that my GPU frame times kept spiking when ever I wasn't standing still all the while the GPU usage was no where near 100%. I also started to notice my ram overclock to 3200 MHz was becoming unstable so I had to drop it to 2770 something MHz.

Long story short, I upgraded the motherboard form Asus prime z370-p (pretty much bottom of the barrel for OC) to Asus ROG strix z390 E - Gaming (bottom of the mid-range OC) . I reset CPU and GPU to default and played doom eternal as well as Modern Warfare 2019 and it was worlds better, still not completely matching online benchmarks. Then I did a slight oc on the board XMP-1 (CPU 4.4 - 4.7 GHz , Ram 3200 MHz) and then slight oc on the 2080 super : Core clock + 125 MHZ and Mem Clock + 250 MHz ). ( settings I have definitely tried on the old MB)

Both games now run at a rock steady 144 fps at maximum settings on 2650 x 1440p 144Hz, 1 ms monitor, they actually run a lot higher , doom lik 186 - 200 fps, but I capped the card at 144 fps in Nvidia control panel to match my monitor refresh rate ( 144Hz) ( Note: RTX off on COD)

So I am thinking it was the MB but I cant be sure. I tested performance after every time I tweaked something and I noticed the big change after the upgraded MB.


Now I can finally play DOOM Eternal the way it was meant to be played, like I played doom 2016: Max settings with Max Frame rate, or "Crispy Butter" as I call it.