Recommendations for a gaming keyboard and mouse (obviously with Doom in mind)

[Janer64]

Hi, I've decided to treat myself to a KB and mouse and there are so many out there I would like the field narrowed down to about 3.

The KB I prefer normally is with softer presses but I've since read mechanical is better for gaming?
I don't need Macro as a priority as the KB and Mouse is simply for gaming and surfing.
Budget is whatever quality costs but that doesn't mean I will buy the dearest as it mightn't press all the right buttons (excuse the pun!)

The mouse I have at the moment is about 8 years old and a Logitech that cost me 65 euros back in the day, I think I'd like about 8 buttons so I can use them for weapon binds.

Both can be wired unless I am persuaded wireless is the way. (charging would have to be in a socket not batteries)

I look forward to any suggestions and recommendations.

:)

[PlutonArioch]

The Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum is so far the best mouse I have tried. Granted, I have not tried too many expensive mice, but I still recommend this one since I feel it has just the right mix of weight, ergonomic design, amount of buttons, and QoL stuff like leds showing current sensitivity and button profile, as well as the unlockable wheel. Also, it works on pretty much any surface as long as it is somewhat flat. It has got 11 programmable buttons, and it can save 3 user defined profiles on the mouse itself, so they work without the software installed.
There are newer versions of that Mouse, which might be better (The G502 Hero has a newer and better sensor as far as I know), and some things like the shape or the weight are a matter of taste, but I know where I will start looking when I need to replace my mouse.

Just to nitpick a few things about this mouse: The position of the profile-switch button is just a bit too close to the wheel-unlock button, so sometimes I accidentally switch profiles when (un)locking the wheel - but since my profiles are color coded, I can notice the led color switch without looking directly, and just switch back the profile quickly.
And one of the thumb buttons is just a tad too far forward, so I need to stretch my thumb a bit to reach and press it. It would probably be less noticeable if I had slightly bigger hands. I don't use that button often. As I said only nitpicking, neither of these are real issues, just little things.

I don't use a mechanical keyboard, since I sometimes need to type a lot, and I can just type better and faster, and for a longer time, on a slim type keyboard. And there are not many mechanical kbs with slim type keys, and those are hard to get (at least here). Also, many people prefer mechanical keyboards because of the "click" of the buttons, I usually prefer no "click" (at least on my keyboards). And by "click" I mean both the sound and the feel.
I have not yet found a mechanical keyboard I like to type on. If anyone knows one that is good for gaming as well as typing, tell me. I might try it. Preferably with slim (and silent) keys.
Currently I use a Logitech K280e "Business" Keyboard, which so far works fine for me for gaming and typing.

EbonHawk님이 먼저 게시:

Whatever keyboard you decide on, mechanical is an absolute must. The rest is just convenience and pretty features and aesthetics, as long as you get a trusted & quality brand.

Could you elaborate on why mechanical is a must? And no, your personal preference is not a valid reason for others to use mechanical keyboards. I am however genuinely interested in any actual benefits of mechanical over mebrane, because so far it seems to be more of a preference thing to me. But I don't feel like paying a premium price for a keyboard I will probably hate, because someone else might prefer it and say "its a must".

[Linyos Torvoltos]

Arioch님이 먼저 게시:

EbonHawk님이 먼저 게시:

Whatever keyboard you decide on, mechanical is an absolute must. The rest is just convenience and pretty features and aesthetics, as long as you get a trusted & quality brand.

Could you elaborate on why mechanical is a must? And no, your personal preference is not a valid reason for others to use mechanical keyboards. I am however genuinely interested in any actual benefits of mechanical over mebrane, because so far it seems to be more of a preference thing to me. But I don't feel like paying a premium price for a keyboard I will probably hate, because someone else might prefer it and say "its a must".

I'd say because mechanical keys like Cherry Red's have a low actuation force and a linear movement. These combined together mean it's a little less fatiguing on your fingers as you don't have to overcome a certain amount of force like with membrane keyboards and they feel more responsive since you dont have to bottom out a key for it to register a press. Even less so with the Cherry Mx Speed keys.

Like Cherry reds only require around 2mm of travel with a force of 45g to actuate and register a keypress and my personal favourite the Cherry Blue is around the same, just slightly heavier at 60g.

The MX Speed key is around 1.2mm of travel to actuate with a force of 45g to actuate making it arguably one of the best keys if you're playing a game that requires a very high APM like starcraft.

I cant say much about the other brands like Alpine keys. But Mechanical keyboard is far, far better over membrane keyboards.

[Verios44]

Arioch님이 먼저 게시:

The Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum is so far the best mouse I have tried. Granted, I have not tried too many expensive mice, but I still recommend this one since I feel it has just the right mix of weight, ergonomic design, amount of buttons, and QoL stuff like leds showing current sensitivity and button profile, as well as the unlockable wheel. Also, it works on pretty much any surface as long as it is somewhat flat. It has got 11 programmable buttons, and it can save 3 user defined profiles on the mouse itself, so they work without the software installed.
There are newer versions of that Mouse, which might be better (The G502 Hero has a newer and better sensor as far as I know), and some things like the shape or the weight are a matter of taste, but I know where I will start looking when I need to replace my mouse.

Just to nitpick a few things about this mouse: The position of the profile-switch button is just a bit too close to the wheel-unlock button, so sometimes I accidentally switch profiles when (un)locking the wheel - but since my profiles are color coded, I can notice the led color switch without looking directly, and just switch back the profile quickly.
And one of the thumb buttons is just a tad too far forward, so I need to stretch my thumb a bit to reach and press it. It would probably be less noticeable if I had slightly bigger hands. I don't use that button often. As I said only nitpicking, neither of these are real issues, just little things.

I don't use a mechanical keyboard, since I sometimes need to type a lot, and I can just type better and faster, and for a longer time, on a slim type keyboard. And there are not many mechanical kbs with slim type keys, and those are hard to get (at least here). Also, many people prefer mechanical keyboards because of the "click" of the buttons, I usually prefer no "click" (at least on my keyboards). And by "click" I mean both the sound and the feel.
I have not yet found a mechanical keyboard I like to type on. If anyone knows one that is good for gaming as well as typing, tell me. I might try it. Preferably with slim (and silent) keys.
Currently I use a Logitech K280e "Business" Keyboard, which so far works fine for me for gaming and typing.

EbonHawk님이 먼저 게시:

Whatever keyboard you decide on, mechanical is an absolute must. The rest is just convenience and pretty features and aesthetics, as long as you get a trusted & quality brand.

Could you elaborate on why mechanical is a must? And no, your personal preference is not a valid reason for others to use mechanical keyboards. I am however genuinely interested in any actual benefits of mechanical over mebrane, because so far it seems to be more of a preference thing to me. But I don't feel like paying a premium price for a keyboard I will probably hate, because someone else might prefer it and say "its a must".

g502:

Incase you didnt know you can program all 5 side buttons to match keyboard keys. Lets say you have a game that uses control for crouch, just bind control. Its as simple as that.

keyboards:

The only arguably bad switch typs is the butterfly switches Apple used in their laptops for a long time. Mostly because they were notoriouslly easy to fail with a spec of dust in the wrong spot, for example.

The rest, membrane, hybrid, mechanical, etc is all to user preference.

[EbonHawk]

Mechanical is just more accurate, no ghosting. Have had no issues with mechanical keyboard responding correctly.

[Linyos Torvoltos]

EbonHawk님이 먼저 게시:

Mechanical is just more accurate, no ghosting. Have had no issues with mechanical keyboard responding correctly.

AFAIK Mechanical still has ghosting as it's something inherent to USB keyboards. But they basically cheat having N-Key Rollover by effectively emulating multiple keyboards at once or something to that extent. That's why if you're running a Mech Keyboard and you look in Device manager, you have a whole bunch of keyboards under that list.

Like so, https://gyazo.com/9c768f2252b1167b142e342b0569fdf4

[EbonHawk]

Ah well, in practical use it's not an issue for me, since I'm not looking in Device Manager while I'm playing. Regular old-style membrane keyboards gave me nothing but problems.

[Linyos Torvoltos]

EbonHawk님이 먼저 게시:

Ah well, in practical use it's not an issue for me, since I'm not looking in Device Manager while I'm playing. Regular old-style membrane keyboards gave me nothing but problems.

Nah. The Device Manager thing was to just make a point about how they technically don't have ghosting by cheating the system.

[Grampire]

Batman님이 먼저 게시:

Logitech g pro wireless, best mouse i ever tried ^_^ got mine for 1+ year it still looks like brand new, playing without cable is just nice B-)

+1, it's an expensive investment but this mouse is worth every cent. By FAR the best mouse I've ever used.

If you're a bit more budget minded any of the wired Logitech mice with the hero sensor are great. I'm a big fan of this sensor.

Keyboards I find are very hard to recommend. It's a very, very large subject.

Some people like low profile keys (me), some like regular full kneecaps, then theres switches and the insane number of types and differences....

You're honestly better off reading some blogs online than getting opinions here that are laced with personal preferences which may differ from yours.

[Janer64]

Razer Cynosa Chroma Gaming Keyboard and a Razr death adder v2 were the ones I went for.
Slightly off the beaten track I was playing extra lives Doom Eternal mode and I died at the end of gores nest the 5th level and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing went back to the start, I had 18 lives!!!

[PlutonArioch]

Verios44님이 먼저 게시:

g502:

Incase you didnt know you can program all 5 side buttons to match keyboard keys. Lets say you have a game that uses control for crouch, just bind control. Its as simple as that.

Even better, You can program 9 out of the 11 digital buttons to match keyboard keys, key combinations, media functions, mouse functions, or macros. The only buttons that are not as freely programmable are the left and right muse buttons, as those are somewhat necessary and should not be messed up by users messing around, and the wheel unlock button, because that one is purely a mechanical locking mechanism, and has no sensors.
And as mentioned, you can save 3 completely different profiles on the mouse, and an unlimited ammount with the software. Profiles can also include vastly different dpi settings.

Verios44님이 먼저 게시:

keyboards:

The only arguably bad switch typs is the butterfly switches Apple used in their laptops for a long time. Mostly because they were notoriouslly easy to fail with a spec of dust in the wrong spot, for example.

The rest, membrane, hybrid, mechanical, etc is all to user preference.

Ah yes, I had a keyboard with butterfly switches once, but it was not one from apple, could have been called differently, but I had to take it apart to clean it and saw the switches. I would agree that those are terrible, unless used in a really clean lab... not on a desk.

Weaponized Autism님이 먼저 게시:

I'd say because mechanical keys like Cherry Red's have a low actuation force and a linear movement. These combined together mean it's a little less fatiguing on your fingers as you don't have to overcome a certain amount of force like with membrane keyboards and they feel more responsive since you dont have to bottom out a key for it to register a press. Even less so with the Cherry Mx Speed keys.

Well, with my current keyboard, the force needed to press a button is just a bit more than the weight of my fingers, so I can rest my hand on it without accidentally pressing a key, but just need to twitch a bit to press one. That is part of what makes it great for typing, and gaming actually.

My Keyboard cost me 30 bucks about 5 years ago, and its still going strong. Any Cherry MX Red Keyboards I can find right now (and do not look like utter trash) start at $90, have big clunky keys, and look uncomfortable. The only ones that look almost like one I might use are the Logitech G815 for $200 and the Roccat Vulcan 121 for $160.
That is a bit pricey to buy on a hunch when $30 or less gets me a perfectly comfortable kb that works well in most cases. I have not had any ghosting issues in games with this one either.
Anyways, thanks for the clarification. I still won't buy one without trying it first, but If I ever get the chance I will try out a keyboard with Cherry Red or Mx Speed keys.

[Grampire]

The Logitech G815 tactile is a great, beautiful board. You can try it at Best Buy. It is very expensive.

I'm thinking about committing some of my stimulus check to one, but my current Orion g810 is still great so I'm torn.

[chester]

Razer basilisk V2 is a fantastic mouse for Eternal. I have the basilisk ultimate (which is essential the same mouse but wireless) and it feels great to hold, has the best sensor on the market as of right now, and most importantly, a bunch of easily accessible buttons. I have my flame belch, chainsaw, dash, glory kill/melee, grenade, bfg, and crucible all binded to my mouse, and it makes accessing everything much easier. I bought my mouse primarily for Eternal, and I don't think you can get a better mouse for a game like this (aside from maybe the G502, but Razers gaming software is much better than Logitechs imo, and both mice are very similar in terms of design and buttons)

[Niknokinater]

I myself started using a Redragon M908 Impact mouse some months ago to spice things up after Mouse 1 and 2 on my old mouse started becoming too intermittent for me.

The Redragon M908 Impact has your typical mouse buttons (1, 2, 3, Scroll), as well as a button next to Mouse 1, 2 buttons below the scroll (defaultly bound to DPI), and a 1-12 number pad on the left side.

It was quite the learning curve, especially for Minecraft (I disable the scroll now when I play that at this point, as I've come far enough) but for Eternal, having not played it prior, it was just a control scheme to learn like any other. That being said, getting familiar with reaching each number is noteworthy.

I have 1-8 bound to each weapon, and 11 for Steam Screenshots.

It also supports macros and rebinding, but I couldn't quite figure out the macros- maybe the game I was trying them on wasn't all that responsive to them.

[~Neon Doom~]

I use a vertical mouse with 3 extra buttons ...for chaingun....Punch(blood punch)...and ballista all of my weapons i can't switch quickly on keyboard 1-5 is max anything past 5 will get me killed so it go's on the mouse i breeze through some fights because of this basically chain gun with shield for those "Oh ♥♥♥♥" moments blood punch for health....


my keyboard is mechanical because i like to hear the clicks and keys are tighter and you have better feel where to put your finger in that split second without looking away from the screen some of those "silent keyboards" or smooth glide ones are just nope no good

Honestly just set caps lock for BFG and put weapons 6 and 7 on your mouse and your golden
Your hands hardly move its perfect no stress or strain,. No need to get some crazy 5 button mouse IMO.

[Rings]

Are there any good mice that are ambidextrous? I can't use a mouse without a pinky rest.