Fanboyism and hype is defending bad mechanics

[Iggy Wolf]

I'm just gonna say it. Fact is, the game may be fun but that doesn't change the fact that it's got mechanics that don't jive well with some people and that's fair. That the fanboys can't accept that and complain ABOUT the complainers just proves my point. There was so much hype about this game, that it's like people can't possibly imagine someone actually disliking the game for valid reasons. I don't even remember there being this many apologists for Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus, and that game also made some changes from the first one.

Also, it has such awful player damage/hit detection feedback that unlike this game, almost 95% agreed that the damage feedback is a problem in Wolf 2. Not that the devs did anything about that. And I imagine the devs won't do anything about the low ammo count in this game either, because they've got all this fanboys sucking up to them and shutting down any valid criticism of the game. If the gaming industry doesn't improve, it's only because fanboys have themselves to blame. The rest of us are able to see the problems without wearing rose-tinted glasses.

[Snow]

You are complaining about the fanboys complaining about the complainers. If you can't see the irony in that, I've no idea what to tell you. Your overall sentiment is basically aimed at you as well, then.

[Iggy Wolf]

Originally posted by Snow:

You are complaining about the fanboys complaining about the complainers. If you can't see the irony in that, I've no idea what to tell you. Your overall sentiment is basically aimed at you as well, then.

Actually, I'm just pointing it out. I personally don't care because I don't even own the game, and for the exact problems that people have pointed out, but points for trying to be a smartass. You must be one of those people who comments on posts where people say they don't care, so you say they shouldn't comment if they don't care. You decided to comment on my post complaining about me complaining. Take your own advice.

[Kain]

The problem is only people stating opinions as facts. I'm not a major Bethesda fan and even after having played the game and some time having passed I still like it, so no, it's also not due to hype.

I quite liked all the mechanics, sure the game is a bit more stressful than the previous games with all the mechanics, but I also happen to have enjoyed that. If you liked the previous game more or something else entirely, fine, just don't push your opinions as facts.

[Limygeorge]

Originally posted by Snow:

You are complaining about the fanboys complaining about the complainers. If you can't see the irony in that, I've no idea what to tell you. Your overall sentiment is basically aimed at you as well, then.

Heh Heh, funny but true. I kind of double irony if such a thing exists.

I would like a bit more ammo though!!

[livin']

"low ammo count" literally have a ammo regening chainsaw, and no they're not going to change a well liked mechanic because a few people constantly complain on the forum, also why do these "there's no ammo" people think they should be able to spam micro missiles, microwave beam, and supershotgun literally ALL the ammo intensive mods at the same time and not expect to have to use the chainsaw?

[Dingo]

You make a fair point when it comes to disliking the game for valid reasons. Just because someone dislikes it doesn't make it wrong though.

The low ammocount is fine because they want you to switch weapons more often, and be in the middle of the fight at all times. If you play as intended you will not run out of ammo. Complaining about constantly having to hunt down fodder to resupply is the same as ppl complaining about having to glorykill all the time. You shouldnt glory kill unless below 50%, you dont have to chainsaw unless several weapons are low on ammo.

A little slower recharge on the cainsaw and slightly more ammo capacity would't have hurt the game though i think

[GepardenK]

No game has mechanics that somebody wouldn't rage about. As it should be. That people/you don't like Eternal is a complimented rather than a condemnation, it's what you should expect out of any game not targeted at lowest common denominator.

Every single AAA release is plauged by people flocking to the steam forums to enact their best rage gamer impression. This is nothing new. To paint this on hype and fanbois is rather hilarious, fanboy or not it's perfectly valid to be bored of the usual rage gamer parade that every popular game on steam gets. It was no different with Doom 2016.

[Iggy Wolf]

Well, that's just my point, isn't it? The problem is people who don't like it are told to "get over it", or are told they shouldn't be able to use all their weapons freely? Says who? You? Other people who disagree? How about this, everyone should be able to enjoy the game as they want, and no one should be telling anyone what's the "right" way to enjoy it and what isn't. No one is presenting their opinion as facts EXCEPT for the fanboys.

The people who point out things they disagree with are simply expressing their dislike. They understand that doesn't mean anything will change about it. Like I said, most everyone hates the damage feedback in Wolf 2, but nothing was change to address that anyway, so you either deal with it or you don't play the game. Like I said, I see more offense being taken by people who DO like the new mechanics, simply because others don't.

[Kain]

I think they were afraid of giving too much ammo to the player, which was the problem with the previous game. To be honest, with the amount of people complaining I can see them patching more ammo. I just wonder what it will do to the balance.

[Sub_Human]

great you dont have to play it, leave kthnx

[Limygeorge]

Yes, the low ammo count is by design. I wasn't complaining literally.
Regardlless, I think it's a great game overall and that's what counts. And it's all subjective, so some people will ♥♥♥♥ things and others won't.
We are lucky that the game runs well and is well designed. A lot of hard work went into it, and while it's different than Doom 2016 it is still good. But most people will prefer one over the other.
No right or wrong really.

[GepardenK]

Originally posted by Kain:

I think they were afraid of giving too much ammo to the player, which was the problem with the previous game. To be honest, with the amount of people complaining I can see them patching more ammo. I just wonder what it will do to the balance.

They won't. They know their mechanics and incentives and why they work, they won't do a u-turn just because 0.1% of people can't handle that not every game is identical.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Iggy Wolf:

Well, that's just my point, isn't it? The problem is people who don't like it are told to "get over it", or are told they shouldn't be able to use all their weapons freely? Says who? You? Other people who disagree? How about this, everyone should be able to enjoy the game as they want, and no one should be telling anyone what's the "right" way to enjoy it and what isn't. No one is presenting their opinion as facts EXCEPT for the fanboys.

The people who point out things they disagree with are simply expressing their dislike. They understand that doesn't mean anything will change about it. Like I said, most everyone hates the damage feedback in Wolf 2, but nothing was change to address that anyway, so you either deal with it or you don't play the game. Like I said, I see more offense being taken by people who DO like the new mechanics, simply because others don't.

Still, with that title "Fanboyism and hype is defending bad mechanics", it implies that your opinions are facts, don't be surprised to get jumped on with a title like that, or do you honestly think you will change the mind of the people in the forums and make them less prone for fights.

I think I see the problem on both sides, both who likes or dislikes thinking their opinions are facts, whether you like or not the game is fine. Just don't push your opinions either way.

[Attlich]

Originally posted by Iggy Wolf:

Actually, I'm just pointing it out. I personally don't care because I don't even own the game, and for the exact problems that people have pointed out, but points for trying to be a smartass. You must be one of those people who comments on posts where people say they don't care, so you say they shouldn't comment if they don't care. You decided to comment on my post complaining about me complaining. Take your own advice.

So instead of trying out the game yourself and seeing if these problems you point out actually affect your own experience, you are trying to defend the points of other people about something you yourself haven't experienced it at all.

Don't be surprised when people don't take you seriously in life.

[Iggy Wolf]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Iggy Wolf:

Well, that's just my point, isn't it? The problem is people who don't like it are told to "get over it", or are told they shouldn't be able to use all their weapons freely? Says who? You? Other people who disagree? How about this, everyone should be able to enjoy the game as they want, and no one should be telling anyone what's the "right" way to enjoy it and what isn't. No one is presenting their opinion as facts EXCEPT for the fanboys.

The people who point out things they disagree with are simply expressing their dislike. They understand that doesn't mean anything will change about it. Like I said, most everyone hates the damage feedback in Wolf 2, but nothing was change to address that anyway, so you either deal with it or you don't play the game. Like I said, I see more offense being taken by people who DO like the new mechanics, simply because others don't.

Still, with that title "Fanboyism and hype is defending bad mechanics", it implies that your opinions are facts, don't be surprised to get jumped on with a title like that, or do you honestly think you will change the mind of the people in the forums and make them less prone for fights.

I think I see the problem on both sides, both who likes or dislikes thinking their opinions are facts, whether you like or not the game is fine. Just don't push your opinions either way.

Well, I'm not complaining about the people who DO enjoy the game. It should be said that you'll have people who enjoy it, understand there's thing that other people might not like, but accept those things and will play it regardless. They won't begrudge those though who complain. Only tell them what they can do to get better.

However, I've been around on enough of the forums to see plenty of "git gud scrub" comments and those who insult the ones that criticize, to see that it goes past some people simply enjoying it. Like I said, go over to the Wolf 2 forums and any of the topics that address the game's gamplay will have its fair share of detractors, as well as those who still like the game despite the different mechanics. What you WON'T see is anyone saying "git gud" or insulting those who don't like the game.