Is Doom dead for the real fans?

[1337Dude]

Doom 2016, for many veteran PC gamers, was a pretty bad game. It didn't reflect the original outside of borrowing enemy designs and the combat felt like an amalgamation of all the bad tropes in recent FPS games (focus on melee + melee instant kills). No matter which way you dice it - these are bad mechanics that appeal more to nugamers than the ones who originally fell in love with Doom. All of my friends who played Doom also agreed it's bad. The only people praising it I've seen were game journalists who were paid to praise it (and played it for free) - or people gaslit by gaming journalism (e.g. people who actually think reviews are a real unfiltered opinion).

I'm looking at this new game and it's just driving the stake further in the heart of the series. Should the original Doom fans just forget about Doom at this point?

Willhelm a écrit :

Who cares, wait until the game is released before all of you start making assumptions

Right? Who cares?

Let's all just pre-order right now!

Obviously getting our money's worth isn't important. How silly of us to even consider that.

Bethesda obviously needs our money and they need us to keep criticism to a minimum and keep the praise coming.

Bethesda are the victims. The important thing, above all, is that we just give them our money.

[Mythic Voyager]

I'm 38 and I love Doom2016, and I am stoked about Eternal. I don't know what you're on about. In fact, why are you even here if you hate the new Doom games? I mean really.

[All talk and no fight]

I wish there was a sage option on steam

[dethtrain]

Very Ape a écrit :

I'm 38 and I love Doom2016, and I am stoked about Eternal. I don't know what you're on about. In fact, why are you even here if you hate the new Doom games? I mean really.

same lol

[BitsOfSkin]

...'Veteran' PC gamers didn't like Doom 2016 ?
That's news to me, I've still got my original Apogee floppies for Wolfenstein 3D and Doom, and I thought Doom 2016 was a fun game.
I'll be waiting for this one to get some patches and playthrough videos before I buy it (and hopefully ditch the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Denuvo before long), but I'm certainly hoping it'll be as fun as the previous one.

[shin]

Doom was my very first videogame I have ever played in my life. It was 1996, I was a 4y/o kid who was slaying demons from hell in that young age and I fell in in love with it. Now with that said what do you mean by focus of melee and melee insta kills? last time I checked you don't have to use melee to beat the game. If you don't want to use melee - don't, simple as that. Melee insta kills only when enemies have less than like 10% hp anyway. So are these the only problems you have with the game or that's it? Cuz for me personally I had more problems with the fact how it was literally enter arena, kill everything on that arena and proceed to the next arena. That I think is a much bigger problem with doom 2016 than melee. I also didn't like how there were only 3 bosses and they were also squeezed into the final stages of the game, while the first 80% didn't have a single boss. So yeah doom 2016 is not without its flaws for me either, but the gameplay is still very satisfying so I liked the game overall. Doom 3 is still my favorite though. And I'm easily looking forward to doom eternal because it seems to have better leveldesign so my complaint seems to be addressed. Hopefully they add more bosses with better and more consistent placement.

Anyway what would you want to see from a doom game in 2019? Because I'm struggling to comprehend what resemblances with doom 1 you're missing in modern dooms. Same weapon arsenal, redesigned but mostly same enemies, better gameplay, better weapon impact, larger more detailed levels. That's imo. I'm looking forward to hearing what you're missing in modern doom that you loved about doom 1

[Mythic Voyager]

BitsOfSkin a écrit :

...'Veteran' PC gamers didn't like Doom 2016 ?
That's news to me, I've still got my original Apogee floppies for Wolfenstein 3D and Doom, and I thought Doom 2016 was a fun game.
I'll be waiting for this one to get some patches and playthrough videos before I buy it (and hopfeully ditch the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Denuvo before long), but I'm certainly hoping it'll be as fun as the previous one.

Yeah, don't you love it when other old ♥♥♥♥♥ decide for the rest of old ♥♥♥♥♥ on what we like about games? Sound logic there.

[Paladin Larec]

I'm 43, and DOOM was the 2nd FPS I ever played in 1995 (Wolfenstein in 1993, and maybe Silent Debuggers if you count that as an FPS) and I loved "nu-doom"

To me, it was the natural progression of the FPS genre. Where Painkiller (the original one) took the same concept and applied it to a more "monster arena" style level design, the new DOOM took *that* concept and made the arenas in smaller rooms with continual monster spawns and item pickups. Sort of levels-within-levels. It felt good, and made for a superior game.

If you still want the old style, you can always play one of the many oldschool FPSs still being made, like Amid Evil, Prodeus, Dusk, and Ion Maiden.

[Mythic Voyager]

RPGEndBoss a écrit :

I'm 43, and DOOM was the 2nd FPS I ever played in 1995 (Wolfenstein in 1993, and maybe Silent Debuggers if you count that as an FPS) and I loved "nu-doom"

To me, it was the natural progression of the FPS genre. Where Painkiller (the original one) took the same concept and applied it to a more "monster arena" style level design, the new DOOM took *that* concept and made the arenas in smaller rooms with continual monster spawns and item pickups. Sort of levels-within-levels. It felt good, and made for a superior game.

If you still want the old style, you can always play one of the many oldschool FPSs still being made, like Amid Evil, Prodeus, Dusk, and Ion Maiden.

The Painkiller comparison is spot on. I have never heard anyone else make that comparison before. That is always what I thought lol. Painkiller is awesome and so is Doom2016. Btw, I like the "nu-Doom" title it fits well.

[BitsOfSkin]

Very Ape a écrit :

BitsOfSkin a écrit :

...'Veteran' PC gamers didn't like Doom 2016 ?
That's news to me, I've still got my original Apogee floppies for Wolfenstein 3D and Doom, and I thought Doom 2016 was a fun game.
I'll be waiting for this one to get some patches and playthrough videos before I buy it (and hopfeully ditch the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Denuvo before long), but I'm certainly hoping it'll be as fun as the previous one.

Yeah, don't you love it when other old ♥♥♥♥♥ decide for the rest of old ♥♥♥♥♥ on what we like about games? Sound logic there.

It's really rather simple, if they want to keep playing the same old game over and over, then there's other titles out there that pretty much copy the old Doom games almost Verbatim.
The new Doom is an Evolution of the series and the genre, and if it's not for them, fine, don't play it.
I'll decide for myself once it's been released, based on gameplay vids, maybe one or two reviews by other gamers, and/or playing a friend's copy.

[Ragnaman]

1337MechaFührer a écrit :

Doom 2016, for many veteran PC gamers, was a pretty bad game. It didn't reflect the original outside of borrowing enemy designs and the combat felt like an amalgamation of all the bad tropes in recent FPS games (focus on melee + melee instant kills). No matter which way you dice it - these are bad mechanics that appeal more to nugamers than the ones who originally fell in love with Doom. All of my friends who played Doom also agreed it's bad. The only people praising it I've seen were game journalists who were paid to praise it (and played it for free) - or people gaslit by gaming journalism (e.g. people who actually think reviews are a real unfiltered opinion).

I'm looking at this new game and it's just driving the stake further in the heart of the series. Should the original Doom fans just forget about Doom at this point?

Everything since Doom 3 is trash, just fire up Painkiller/Serious Sam or one of the later mods for Doom. Old classic will get an RTX engine eventually. No reason to buy hot garbage.

Oh, and you must take this meme with you:
Glory kill was awesome and it rewardef berserker like plays, and most important of all it didnt slowdown the combat at all

[Mythic Voyager]

Ragnaman a écrit :

1337MechaFührer a écrit :

Doom 2016, for many veteran PC gamers, was a pretty bad game. It didn't reflect the original outside of borrowing enemy designs and the combat felt like an amalgamation of all the bad tropes in recent FPS games (focus on melee + melee instant kills). No matter which way you dice it - these are bad mechanics that appeal more to nugamers than the ones who originally fell in love with Doom. All of my friends who played Doom also agreed it's bad. The only people praising it I've seen were game journalists who were paid to praise it (and played it for free) - or people gaslit by gaming journalism (e.g. people who actually think reviews are a real unfiltered opinion).

I'm looking at this new game and it's just driving the stake further in the heart of the series. Should the original Doom fans just forget about Doom at this point?

Everything since Doom 3 is trash, just fire up Painkiller/Serious Sam or one of the later mods for Doom. Old classic will get an RTX engine eventually. No reason to buy hot garbage.

Oh, and you must take this meme with you:
Glory kill was awesome and it rewardef berserker like plays, and most important of all it didnt slowdown the combat at all

Again, if everything is trash since Doom 3, then why the ♥♥♥♥ are you here? These forums have enough whining and crying on here. I don't think the new Doom games deserve the hate they are getting. If I were you, and I hate everything since Doom 3, I wouldn't even be on these forums. Because it would be a waste of time. Do yourself a favor and play Doom 3 and call it a day.

[J]

There's always that guy.

Most people enjoyed Doom2016 a ton, it wasn't just journalists or people too dumb to form their own opinion on what they find fun.

[Sikobae]

It failed at being Doom but succeeded at being a PvE Quake Arena game. The game isn't bad, but gets boring quick. Not enough large scale areas with hundreds of monsters. (refer Map16 Suburbs or literally any TNT or later map)

Ragnaman a écrit :

Glory kill was awesome and it rewardef berserker like plays, and most important of all it didnt slowdown the combat at all

Not only does the game come to a halt during a kill, the game relies entirely on it since that's the only way to consistently turn out supplies. Make it even worse, give glory kills godframes so there's no risk involved. It's Brutal Doom without any flourish.

1337MechaFührer a écrit :

Should the original Doom fans just forget about Doom at this point?

Lulno. You have a ton of content to raid through, the sequels, the mods, the cousins like Strife. Hedon is even more recent and it's great.

[I'll swallow your soul!]

DOOM 2016 was fun but it wasn't a real DOOM game. Kill everything in an arena before you continue type of gameplay was really annoying, DOOM was never about this kind of Serious Sam type of gameplay.

[shy]

shut up boomer