Overheating

[Mazhron]

I'm at a loss here.

System Specs
i7-4770k
16GB Ram
RTX3090
Liquid Cooled
Multiple Case Fans

I've turned the graphics down, waaaay down and this seems to help for a while.

But after about an hour to hour and a half my system turns off from overheating.

For reference, I farm Cryptocurrency using both my CPU and GPU, which runs them both at 100% for up to 10 hours a day without issues. I play a slew of other games on Ultra settings, lots of enemies, tons of graphics, building, etc. No issues at all.

What's going on here? Why is this game able to overheat my system so badly? I love the game but it's basically unplayable because of the overheating.

[Unrealtairo]

Originally posted by Mazhron:

For reference, I farm Cryptocurrency using both my CPU and GPU

Piss off

[Ill Behaviour]

Originally posted by Mazhron:

I'm at a loss here.

System Specs
i7-4770k
16GB Ram
RTX3090
Liquid Cooled
Multiple Case Fans

I've turned the graphics down, waaaay down and this seems to help for a while.

But after about an hour to hour and a half my system turns off from overheating.

For reference, I farm Cryptocurrency using both my CPU and GPU, which runs them both at 100% for up to 10 hours a day without issues. I play a slew of other games on Ultra settings, lots of enemies, tons of graphics, building, etc. No issues at all.

What's going on here? Why is this game able to overheat my system so badly? I love the game but it's basically unplayable because of the overheating.

Something is up with your system, I can only guess as to what the problem might be from your description but I suspect your gpu may be down clocking when mining to protect itself but during the game it's turbo boosting higher as the load is more variable.

Very strange to be sure.

I suggest doing a full thermal diagnostic,

Try prime 95 and furmark to fully burn test your system and monitor cpu and gpu core clocks/temps ect with hwinfo 64

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/prime95-download.html

https://furmark3d.eu/

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

It's also worth noting that due to the pandemic/supply chain issues defect rates for components have gone up and some 3090's are known to have been effected.

Edit. Mining can also degrade the gpu over time, most miners will undervolt their cards to avoid this problem as gaming cards are not really designed to be run at 100% load for extended periods.

[Padds]

an 8 year old cpu with a 3090? so your on ddr 3 ram and what pcie that have?

ithermal paste 8 years old? be my first guess

[Ill Behaviour]

Originally posted by Padds:

an 8 year old cpu with a 3090? so your on ddr 3 ram and what pcie that have?

ithermal paste 8 years old? be my first guess

4770 is gen 3 pcie so wont be more of a bottle neck than the cpu itself, 4770 with a 3090 tho =)

[Mazhron]

Originally posted by Unrealtairo:

Originally posted by Mazhron:

For reference, I farm Cryptocurrency using both my CPU and GPU

Piss off

Really productive man. Thanks for the info. Really good stuff here. My card has literally paid for itself when I'm sleeping or at work so... I'll piss off to the sound of a free 3090.

Originally posted by Ill Behaviour:

Originally posted by Mazhron:

I'm at a loss here.

System Specs
i7-4770k
16GB Ram
RTX3090
Liquid Cooled
Multiple Case Fans

I've turned the graphics down, waaaay down and this seems to help for a while.

But after about an hour to hour and a half my system turns off from overheating.

For reference, I farm Cryptocurrency using both my CPU and GPU, which runs them both at 100% for up to 10 hours a day without issues. I play a slew of other games on Ultra settings, lots of enemies, tons of graphics, building, etc. No issues at all.

What's going on here? Why is this game able to overheat my system so badly? I love the game but it's basically unplayable because of the overheating.

Something is up with your system, I can only guess as to what the problem might be from your description but I suspect your gpu may be down clocking when mining to protect itself but during the game it's turbo boosting higher as the load is more variable.

Very strange to be sure.

I suggest doing a full thermal diagnostic,

Try prime 95 and furmark to fully burn test your system and monitor cpu and gpu core clocks/temps ect with hwinfo 64

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/prime95-download.html

https://furmark3d.eu/

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

It's also worth noting that due to the pandemic/supply chain issues defect rates for components have gone up and some 3090's are known to have been effected.

Edit. Mining can also degrade the gpu over time, most miners will undervolt their cards to avoid this problem as gaming cards are not really designed to be run at 100% load for extended periods.

So I'd agree with you about the 3090 except when I go to benchmark it, it's doing around 27% better than all other 3090s tested using the same benchmark. I also play multiple resource intensive games. So, if there are problems they're only having a problem with this game and this game alone. Nothing else. I'll check out the links you posted and I'll run a Thermal diagnostic for reference. Thanks for the ideas!

Originally posted by Padds:

an 8 year old cpu with a 3090? so your on ddr 3 ram and what pcie that have?

ithermal paste 8 years old? be my first guess

Yes and no. Coolant system was dying out about a year back, I replaced it then. Ran cooler after the replacement, replaced thermal paste, the whole 9 yards... CPU doesn't even run at 50% when I play this game, ram isn't even full. I run many, many other games that use 90% of my CPU and almost 3/4+ of my RAM. This game doesn't come close to either and still overheats.

[Ill Behaviour]

Originally posted by Mazhron:

Yes and no. Coolant system was dying out about a year back, I replaced it then. Ran cooler after the replacement, replaced thermal paste, the whole 9 yards... CPU doesn't even run at 50% when I play this game, ram isn't even full. I run many, many other games that use 90% of my CPU and almost 3/4+ of my RAM. This game doesn't come close to either and still overheats.

Are you 100% sure it is the overheating that's causing the crash? This game is cpu heavy but if it can run prime 95 without Bsoding it's not going to overheat with riftbreaker for sure and must be something else.

Only other thing I can think of is thermal overload of the cooling system as the 3090 kicks out a lot of heat compared to older gen cards, running Fur mark and prime 95 at the same time should rule that out although if your running a custom loop you will need to let it run for a bit until the fluid fully warms up.

[Mazhron]

Originally posted by Ill Behaviour:

Originally posted by Mazhron:

Yes and no. Coolant system was dying out about a year back, I replaced it then. Ran cooler after the replacement, replaced thermal paste, the whole 9 yards... CPU doesn't even run at 50% when I play this game, ram isn't even full. I run many, many other games that use 90% of my CPU and almost 3/4+ of my RAM. This game doesn't come close to either and still overheats.

Are you 100% sure it is the overheating that's causing the crash? This game is cpu heavy but if it can run prime 95 without Bsoding it's not going to overheat with riftbreaker for sure and must be something else.

Only other thing I can think of is thermal overload of the cooling system as the 3090 kicks out a lot of heat compared to older gen cards, running Fur mark and prime 95 at the same time should rule that out although if your running a custom loop you will need to let it run for a bit until the fluid fully warms up.

I'm about 85% sure, I can see the temp monitor rising, rising, rising, it hits about 52-54C and it usually shuts down after that, it's the only game in which my temp monitor gets above 43C, even when I'm mining it tops out at 43C. It's the ONLY thing that gets that high. Nothing else does... It's strange because my CPU usage never hits 100% and sits around 50% basically the entire game aside from when a horde shows up, I might hit 75%.

For reference, I was looking up a few of the most resource intensive games to date and I play 6 of the top 20 without any issues. So I'm a bit lost.

Anyways, I will be running those tests for a reference point.

[Ill Behaviour]

Originally posted by Mazhron:

Originally posted by Ill Behaviour:

Are you 100% sure it is the overheating that's causing the crash? This game is cpu heavy but if it can run prime 95 without Bsoding it's not going to overheat with riftbreaker for sure and must be something else.

Only other thing I can think of is thermal overload of the cooling system as the 3090 kicks out a lot of heat compared to older gen cards, running Fur mark and prime 95 at the same time should rule that out although if your running a custom loop you will need to let it run for a bit until the fluid fully warms up.

I'm about 85% sure, I can see the temp monitor rising, rising, rising, it hits about 52-54C and it usually shuts down after that, it's the only game in which my temp monitor gets above 43C, even when I'm mining it tops out at 43C. It's the ONLY thing that gets that high. Nothing else does... It's strange because my CPU usage never hits 100% and sits around 50% basically the entire game aside from when a horde shows up, I might hit 75%.

For reference, I was looking up a few of the most resource intensive games to date and I play 6 of the top 20 without any issues. So I'm a bit lost.

Anyways, I will be running those tests for a reference point.

54c is still low for cpu temps, intel cpu's are designed to run at 90+c My 10900k runs at around 80c @5ghrtz all core under water @ full load and I get no crashes.

You must have a pretty good cooling system. =)

Riftbreaker is the most cpu demanding game I know of when the waves get very big only other game I can think of that is able to utilise a modern multicore cpu like riftbreaker is ashes of the singularity (there probably are others that I don't own tho).

The only other heat related issue's I can think of are gpu related or hot spot...

Gpu wise I think under 85c is good 90+ is getting into the danger area.

Hot spots are when your cpu's power circuitry don't have enough airflow or maybe some other part of the motherboard. This is normally due to poor case design or clogged dust filter's ect.

To see if it's a hot spot remove your case side panel and aim a desk fan blowing air directly on the mother board at full speed.

If you can run both furmark and prime 95 at the same time without crashes it's not temp related and we need to investigate other possible causes.

Edit it's also worth mentioning that that both your cpu and gpu will throttle if temps get to high.

[ytszazu]

I see the conversation above talk alot about the cpu usage, but how about the gpu usage during gaming?

Just an idea:

Run MSI Afterburner during gaming, Check CPU usage, GPU usage, CPU T, GPU T, what FPS.

Then what resolution are you running the game?

Example: It would be weird if your GPU goes 100% when running riftbreaker at 1080P at 60 fps.

Just suggestion only, if there is something weird hogging the cpu/gpu resources.

[def1nity]

That 3090 is so bottlenecked by the 4770 it's probably running at 50% or less total capacity(except when mining obv). Unless its defective as someone previously mentioned I don't think it's at fault. To me this sounds like an OS corruption/driver issue.

I would recommend you try WhoCrashed - https://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed

It has helped me many times over the years with mysterious resets and such...

Also, you could get for example Hwinfo64 or equivalent monitoring tool and enable logging. It will log everything and you'll have to format the .csv file slightly to make it readable after the crash. You could potentially see every temp, voltage etc in the last second of the crash and determine if that is the real reason or not.

I find it hard to believe you can play other recent titles and mine on cpu/gpu and then have such instability in riftbreaker... Prime95 + Furmark is 1000 times more intensive than this game and I don't think it's appropriate in this case. I would test with OCCT, first use the benchmark CPU/RAM, if those pass and no errors, you could move on to the stress test section. Again give them at least 15/30min for each individual test cpu/ram/gpu/psu etc... However I would first make sure this is not software related.

[Star Paladin]

I have a 4090 with about the best water cooling you can buy and 7 fans. This game is the only game I run where all 3 GPU fans come on, immediately. Only 1 other game I have makes just one of the fans come on.

[Lawrence]

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