Tommy gun in this game

[Orbital Drop Spicy Taco]

I just remembered that historically this gun used .45 ACP, not .22

But I guess devs used .22 for balance, right?

[Sisyphus]

It'd be too strong, as is usually the case with games that have to balance real-world weapons.

[Orbital Drop Spicy Taco]

Yeah, I thought the same. And it would be too hard to supply all that amount of .45 ammo if Tommy gun in game used .45 ACP.

[Toulon_Rouge]

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

It'd be too strong, as is usually the case with games that have to balance real-world weapons.

Wouldn't that be a balancing point. Make it a weapon you bring out because you have to. Too strong hamper by limited ammo.

[Ninth Hour]

Also, the firearms in the game are not models that actually exist but ersatz versions. If I recall correctly, the gun in question is actually called a "Thomas gun", not a "Thompson gun". Therefore, it can be chambered for any caliber. It doesn't have to follow the real world gun it is referencing. Similarly, the "Stallion" pistol is obviously based on the Colt M1911, which is chambered for 0.45 ACP, but uses 0.38 rounds (or 0.22 if you convert it to rapid repeating pistol).

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

It'd be too strong, as is usually the case with games that have to balance real-world weapons.

1. The "Thomas M1921" is not a "real-world weapon".

2. Balancing a .45 caliber Tommy gun isn't difficult, even against a wider variety of ammo and weapons than in Stygian. It was done well enough back in 1998 in Fallout 2. Just another example of how this game can't stand up to even 20+ year old classics.

3. Chambering a submachine gun for a small caliber rifle round makes no sense for the period, as the concept of long-range assault rifles wasn't invented yet, and for a variety of technical and tactical reasons the submachine guns were built around high diameter but low length pistol rounds (hence the term "machine pistols"). The first weapons of the type to use rifle rounds (or at least shortened variants of such) didn't appear until later in WWII (such as the MP 44). If the "Thomas" was meant as such a new type of weapon, there was no reason to model it after the Thomson M1928. This goes to show that the developers didn't care for even historical approximation, much less accuracy, and possibly didn't even know how firearms are actually developed.

[Sisyphus]

Wait, we rate RPGs on how accurately they model firearms? lol.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

Wait, we rate RPGs on how accurately they model firearms? lol.

Are you trying to say this game has any chance of rating higher than Fallout 2? Lol. Anyway, it's just an illustration of how the devs were incapable of doing even the simplest things, like modeling weapons after their historical prototypes, with any decency - something that a 20+ old game could do with ease.

Having "Tommy guns" use not only historically inaccurate, but also flat out nonsensical rounds goes to show they didn't know or care about either the period or the weapons characteristic to it - both important elements of the atmosphere and game mechanics. It is just one minor example of how they were bad at doing their job (the bigger example being that the game is an unfinished mess).

[Sisyphus]

Or maybe they aren't gun nuts and don't live in a country where guns are omni-present? And in any case, there's nothing about the game that is a sim, it is set in a bloody Lovecraftian universe.

[Toulon_Rouge]

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

Or maybe they aren't gun nuts and don't live in a country where guns are omni-present? And in any case, there's nothing about the game that is a sim, it is set in a bloody Lovecraftian universe.

Isn't Turkey one of the biggest producers of guns? And if they are into Lovecraft, just study the era... you know research. Of course, there was a .22 LR version of that submachine gun.