Shorter game mode when?

[Hammerman]

It's time to stop saying get good, no one wants to play a 30-45 minute game where there's a possibility of dying and doing nothing for the next 20+ minutes. Big streamers are playing the game and they have the same complaints. Add a shorter game mode or this game will stay dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVU0GMVRr8 - Shroud complains about length of games around 12 minutes. This guy plays games for a living and was a professional eSports player--when he's annoyed at the get good-ness of the game on his actual first round there is a problem.

10s of thousands of viewers are watching these people play your game, sometimes dying and then sitting around and doing nothing for 20+ minutes, it's not a good look. Please, please add a shorter game mode.

[็✪MOXY]

Games aren't longer than 30 min.
Chance of dying within the first 10 min is rare, unless you're doing something wrong.
I suggest playing the blackout gamemode, since the chance of dying is a lot lower. you usually get converted instead.
It is possible to lower the time if you make a custom game, but you would have to tweak other stuff to make it balanced.

I agree on that the games are pretty long, but for me it works fine for this game.

[Hammerman]

Originally posted by MOXY:

Games aren't longer than 30 min.
Chance of dying within the first 10 min is rare, unless you're doing something wrong.
I suggest playing the blackout gamemode, since the chance of dying is a lot lower. you usually get converted instead.
It is possible to lower the time if you make a custom game, but you would have to tweak other stuff to make it balanced.

I agree on that the games are pretty long, but for me it works fine for this game.

This just doesn't make sense. The problem is for new players doing all the tasks take almost 45 minutes. All the streamers playing consistently had to raise the time of the match so that survivors could finish in time--this was without any traitor interference as all the traitors were also new.

Dying isn't rare for new players, which is all that really matters because if the new player experience sucks then no one will continue playing (reflected in the low player count, it's the same reason me and my friends quit). If you die early while playing with a bunch of your also new friends, chances are you'll be sitting around for 20+ minutes waiting.

The blackout gamemode is bad for the reasons you stated. Everyone getting changed into traitors is so ridiculously boring. Being changed is basically a death because you never really did anything yourself, this way of playing mafia is just garbage.

The customization of the game is fantastic, but again the problem with lowering the time is now you and your NEW friends have no chance of finishing the objectives in time. Albeit anecdotal, my friends and I (full group of 8) played around 20 games and we barely got any faster at objectives, in addition, innocents efficiency increase was also of course matched with traitor efficiency increase. All that needs to be changed is add another modifier that allows innocents to skip an objective, it obviously needs more tuning then that, but I'm sure the devs can figure that out. With this new lowered objective count to escape, voila, you can now lower the time to 20 minutes or less and you have a game far, far better than Among Us.

I will argue this all day, this game is the best mafia type I have ever played, but the new player experience just sucks.

[BlueBerry]

i can see how new players can take 45 mins to do the tasks but half the time they due to them starting to blame each other and i disagree with blackout being garbage as it gives the ghost something to do actually,sure you can convert everyone but thats only the demon(converts by ressing people), the whisperer(converts overtime) doesnt even stand a chance

[MKAL]

Nah, honestly just stfu about it, the community doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ what Shroud says. Yes it's awesome to see him and bigger streamers playing the game and getting more people into it but that doesn't mean the devs need to bend to their will just cause they are playing it now. This is how the game is, if you have an issue with length turn the time down. If you have issue with the difficulty of the learning curve, either take the time to learn the game go play Among Us. This game is not Among Us and I'm sick of people trying to make it similar to it.

[็✪MOXY]

Originally posted by ashleyriott is cute:

Originally posted by MOXY:

Games aren't longer than 30 min.
Chance of dying within the first 10 min is rare, unless you're doing something wrong.
I suggest playing the blackout gamemode, since the chance of dying is a lot lower. you usually get converted instead.
It is possible to lower the time if you make a custom game, but you would have to tweak other stuff to make it balanced.

I agree on that the games are pretty long, but for me it works fine for this game.

This just doesn't make sense. The problem is for new players doing all the tasks take almost 45 minutes. All the streamers playing consistently had to raise the time of the match so that survivors could finish in time--this was without any traitor interference as all the traitors were also new.

Dying isn't rare for new players, which is all that really matters because if the new player experience sucks then no one will continue playing (reflected in the low player count, it's the same reason me and my friends quit). If you die early while playing with a bunch of your also new friends, chances are you'll be sitting around for 20+ minutes waiting.

A game can't be based on completely new players. sure it's hard if you're new, but you gotta learn it before it gets fun. I started playing with 7 friends i knew, and sure then first 8 matches survivors lost, but after we learnt the basic it was 50/50.

Also when streamers play they usually play with 7 friends who is also having their first match, which is not optimal at all, so obviously they're gonna fail if theres nobody that knows what to do.

if you balance a game around new players, it would get boring quick

[็✪MOXY]

but i do agree on dying and pvp combat is getting too much. wish it was based more on traitors planning out how to prevent them from escaping instead of just killing them.

[Ando]

i think there just needs to be more customization with options. if I could select 1 objective instead of 2 objectives, that could half the length of games. wont affect people that play the standard default settings, streamers play with custom settings on Among us anyway.

its about being able to play the game you want to play with the time you have.

Originally posted by MOXY:

A game can't be based on completely new players.

game shouldnt be based only on experienced players either. i mean it can either cater to the 100 or so people that currently play the game, or open the options so that the community isnt so niche. just open up the options

[Ando]

Originally posted by MASTER KEEF:

Nah, honestly just stfu about it, the community doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ what Shroud says. Yes it's awesome to see him and bigger streamers playing the game and getting more people into it but that doesn't mean the devs need to bend to their will just cause they are playing it now. This is how the game is, if you have an issue with length turn the time down. If you have issue with the difficulty of the learning curve, either take the time to learn the game go play Among Us. This game is not Among Us and I'm sick of people trying to make it similar to it.

this is just eltism lol you dont decide what the community is. I joined after watching summit/shroud streaming the game. im part of the community now :) there's a combined +2 million views on their project winter streams, those people care what streamers say

we're not asking the game to be among us, it doesnt have rounds, just needs to be more customizable with what is currently in the game

[็✪MOXY]

Originally posted by Lando:

i think there just needs to be more customization with options. if I could select 1 objective instead of 2 objectives, that could half the length of games. wont affect people that play the standard default settings, streamers play with custom settings on Among us anyway.

remove one objective? worst idea i heard so far.

[Ando]

Originally posted by MOXY:

Originally posted by Lando:

i think there just needs to be more customization with options. if I could select 1 objective instead of 2 objectives, that could half the length of games. wont affect people that play the standard default settings, streamers play with custom settings on Among us anyway.

remove one objective? worst idea i heard so far.

ok how else are you gonna shorten the time? smaller map = easier to hear. reduce # of items for objective = just craft. i think you just dont want to change anything and keep it niche :D

[็✪MOXY]

Originally posted by Lando:

Originally posted by MOXY:

remove one objective? worst idea i heard so far.

ok how else are you gonna shorten the time? smaller map = easier to hear. reduce # of items for objective = just craft. i think you just dont want to change anything and keep it niche :D

in my opinion it doesn't need to be shortened because it fits well for this game. if you want to shorten the game you would either have to remove content, or change the game completely.

If you play fortnite or other BR games and die you early you would have to wait the same amount of time. but people usually just quits and fine a new game. dont see the problem for doing it here aswell. (other than you not getting rewards)

[BlueBerry]

Originally posted by MOXY:

Originally posted by Lando:

ok how else are you gonna shorten the time? smaller map = easier to hear. reduce # of items for objective = just craft. i think you just dont want to change anything and keep it niche :D

in my opinion it doesn't need to be shortened because it fits well for this game. if you want to shorten the game you would either have to remove content, or change the game completely.

If you play fortnite or other BR games and die you early you would have to wait the same amount of time. but people usually just quits and fine a new game. dont see the problem for doing it here aswell. (other than you not getting rewards)

You do get rewards now when you die and leave, it was in a patch note,cant find it tho

[็✪MOXY]

Originally posted by NotNoah:

Originally posted by MOXY:

in my opinion it doesn't need to be shortened because it fits well for this game. if you want to shorten the game you would either have to remove content, or change the game completely.

If you play fortnite or other BR games and die you early you would have to wait the same amount of time. but people usually just quits and fine a new game. dont see the problem for doing it here aswell. (other than you not getting rewards)

You do get rewards now when you die and leave, it was in a patch note,cant find it tho

well then i definitly dont see the problem

[Hammerman]

Originally posted by MOXY:

in my opinion it doesn't need to be shortened because it fits well for this game. if you want to shorten the game you would either have to remove content, or change the game completely.

If you play fortnite or other BR games and die you early you would have to wait the same amount of time. but people usually just quits and fine a new game. dont see the problem for doing it here aswell. (other than you not getting rewards)

Walking energy cores across the map for 10 minutes is not "content."

Generally, the most people you are going to play with in a BR is 4 and you're all going to have Discord mics talking to each other even if you die. On top of being able to talk to everyone after dying (this would never happen in a legit Winter game with your friends), if you're playing duos or squads most of the time your friends are gonna leave anyways if you die early. The saddest part about this point is not only that you're wrong, it's completely irrelevant. Just because other games do it, doesn't mean it's correct.

[Hammerman]

Originally posted by MASTER KEEF:

Nah, honestly just stfu about it, the community doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ what Shroud says. Yes it's awesome to see him and bigger streamers playing the game and getting more people into it but that doesn't mean the devs need to bend to their will just cause they are playing it now. This is how the game is, if you have an issue with length turn the time down. If you have issue with the difficulty of the learning curve, either take the time to learn the game go play Among Us. This game is not Among Us and I'm sick of people trying to make it similar to it.

cringe elitist ruining the "community" of 600 active players lul