Why this game is not pay to win

[Good Old Gamer]

just take a look at this troll https://steamcommunity.com/id/Chaotic_Kid/recommended/761890/

and otheres who have disallowed commenting for this reason ;) (because they know they are wrong!)

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- yes you have to buy the game!
+ you do not NEED to pay real cash (apart from that) EVER! (unless you want a **slight** starting boost from buying a pack! - which you can buy as many times as you like (dont know if this is the same for steam version)

IMPORTANT NOTE - Grinders need not apply (this is why THOES people hate and give bad reviews!)

so you do not need to pay anything after original purchase! why?

> buy once >play for life (do not need premium for this)

want to pay with ingame coin only? you can (think eve online) - here is how

depending on what you enjoy (some are fast some are slow) =

Gathering + selling to *Market* (AH) = supply and demand
Crafting + selling (S&D)
Buying + selling at a profit (city to city)
PvP (???) (badlands people you kill - players - you can loot their shineys)
Mob Farming - dungeon farming - expeditions farming (all gives silver - apart from animals ofc)

do this for a week(?) month(?) few months(?) (depending on S&D (and) GOLD MARKET and how **good you are**)

Get Journey man fame tiier (main) to unlock gold market (you do NOT need real cash!!!)

***[going rate - current- for sub = (3 months) 4.5 million silver (or) 2.75 >3k gold!!!]***

what you get with premium/sub (negligable at best)

Learning points (LP) = ONLY 20 a day
what do they do? the ONLY speed level you in certain skills (NOT ALL OF THEM!)
Only premium/sub get these

Focus Points (FP) = 10k a day
what they do? They are ONLY useful for crafting (returning a MINIMAL % of used resources!)
Farming (your farm plots on your personal island (Island is sub only) - they give higher farm yeilds

THIS IS ALL you get as sub!!! and can easily be done in a maximum of 1.5 > 2 months depending on play style


(What else can you spend gold on apart from sub? VANITY ITEMS ONLY!!!)

how do i know this? I have played (on and off) since alpha - and rage quit about 4 times

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EXTRA:

the final thing sub gives you is +50% fame points

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Sub = prem >pre =sub (two names for same thing)

You do not *sub per account* you *sub per character*

***Created by Eve Online Company????***

Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPs7jUvLD5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1262&v=r2VQ-DrP3Aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=441&v=Q66o9I_BAD4

[FlamingAnus]

Escrito originalmente por AO_Elsa:

There's no reason for you playing the game actively without premium status.

when the devs are telling you you shouldn't bother playing without a sub....

seems pretty pay to win to me.

you forget to mention all the bonus' sub players recieve to farming and fame game. i notice that is interestingly absent from your "why this game isn't pay to win" argument.

which is funny, because leaving out the MAIN pay to win features seems very convinient when trying to prove it's not pay to win.

allow me to add all of the features for premium, since you left out quite a few in order to make your argument valid.




20 Learning Points per day
+50% Fame
+50% Gathering yield -HUGE
+100% Farm animal growth rate -HUGE

10,000 Crafting Focus per day -huge
+50% Silver and loot from mobs -literally pay to win
+100% Crop yield -huge
50% Reduced market tax -MASSIVE

in a game where the entire play experience revolves around grinding and farming in order to craft things, the things i mark are MASSIVE advantages.

[TonyToons]

this guy is everywhere and apparently can't read.
let's try again...

YOU CAN PAY PREMIUM WITH SILVER

again this pay to win argument lol
i paid my premium status in 3 days, it's easy, if you can't do it in a month you should probably go to a doctor.

[ABN AMRO]

Escrito originalmente por Unreal_Gam3er:

just take a look at this troll https://steamcommunity.com/id/Chaotic_Kid/recommended/761890/

and otheres who have disallowed commenting for this reason ;) (because they know they are wrong!)

---------------

- yes you have to buy the game!
+ you do not NEED to pay real cash (apart from that) EVER! (unless you want a **slight** starting boost from buying a pack! - which you can buy as many times as you like (dont know if this is the same for steam version)

IMPORTANT NOTE - Grinders need not apply (this is why THOES people hate and give bad reviews!)

so you do not need to pay anything after original purchase! why?

> buy once >play for life (do not need premium for this)

want to pay with ingame coin only? you can (think eve online) - here is how

depending on what you enjoy (some are fast some are slow) =

Gathering + selling to *Market* (AH) = supply and demand
Crafting + selling (S&D)
Buying + selling at a profit (city to city)
PvP (???) (badlands people you kill - players - you can loot their shineys)
Mob Farming - dungeon farming - expeditions farming (all gives silver - apart from animals ofc)

do this for a week(?) month(?) few months(?) (depending on S&D (and) GOLD MARKET and how **good you are**)

Get Journey man fame tiier (main) to unlock gold market (you do NOT need real cash!!!)

***[going rate - current- for sub = (3 months) 4.5 million silver (or) 2.75 >3k gold!!!]***

what you get with premium/sub (negligable at best)

Learning points (LP) = ONLY 20 a day
what do they do? the ONLY speed level you in certain skills (NOT ALL OF THEM!)
Only premium/sub get these

Focus Points (FP) = 10k a day
what they do? They are ONLY useful for crafting (returning a MINIMAL % of used resources!)
Farming (your farm plots on your personal island (Island is sub only) - they give higher farm yeilds

THIS IS ALL you get as sub!!! and can easily be done in a maximum of 1.5 > 2 months depending on play style


(What else can you spend gold on apart from sub? VANITY ITEMS ONLY!!!)

how do i know this? I have played (on and off) since alpha - and rage quit about 4 times

---------

EXTRA:

the final thing sub gives you is +50% fame points

-------

Sub = prem >pre =sub (two names for same thing)

You do not *sub per account* you *sub per character*

***Created by Eve Online Company????***

this game has LITTERLY the exact same bussiness model as Eve Online. also yes some devs in the albion team came from the Eve dev team.

[ABN AMRO]

Escrito originalmente por flaminganus:

Escrito originalmente por AO_Elsa:

There's no reason for you playing the game actively without premium status.

when the devs are telling you you shouldn't bother playing without a sub....

seems pretty pay to win to me.

you forget to mention all the bonus' sub players recieve to farming and fame game. i notice that is interestingly absent from your "why this game isn't pay to win" argument.

which is funny, because leaving out the MAIN pay to win features seems very convinient when trying to prove it's not pay to win.

allow me to add all of the features for premium, since you left out quite a few in order to make your argument valid.




20 Learning Points per day
+50% Fame
+50% Gathering yield -HUGE
+100% Farm animal growth rate -HUGE

10,000 Crafting Focus per day -huge
+50% Silver and loot from mobs -literally pay to win
+100% Crop yield -huge
50% Reduced market tax -MASSIVE

in a game where the entire play experience revolves around grinding and farming in order to craft things, the things i mark are MASSIVE advantages.

bro you litterly get enough silver for a month after a few days of normal play.

[Vepra]

Game either is or is not pay2win. There is nothing in between and no matter how much you try to defend it and sugarcoat it, there still is nothing in between. Can money buy you something in-game to make you a lot stronger, to make you progress a lot faster? Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general? Yes.

Verdict: Pay2Win, as simple as it gets.

In order for game to not be pay2win it can't offer you something in its store to give you a huge advantage. Mostly cosmetics and other fun items. Most popular Free to Play games are the ones that ain't pay2win because todays gaming community has strangely shifted into a state, where gamers will rather pay you to support you if you don't pressure them into it.

TL;DR this game IS P2W.

[ABN AMRO]

Escrito originalmente por =UWG= Vepra:

Game either is or is not pay2win. There is nothing in between and no matter how much you try to defend it and sugarcoat it, there still is nothing in between. Can money buy you something in-game to make you a lot stronger, to make you progress a lot faster? Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general? Yes.

Verdict: Pay2Win, as simple as it gets.

In order for game to not be pay2win it can't offer you something in its store to give you a huge advantage. Mostly cosmetics and other fun items. Most popular Free to Play games are the ones that ain't pay2win because todays gaming community has strangely shifted into a state, where gamers will rather pay you to support you if you don't pressure them into it.

TL;DR this game IS P2W.

BRO YOU DONT GET ANY HUGE ADVANTAGE IN THIS GAME EVER REEEEEEE

[Vepra]

Escrito originalmente por wolfo70:

Escrito originalmente por =UWG= Vepra:

Game either is or is not pay2win. There is nothing in between and no matter how much you try to defend it and sugarcoat it, there still is nothing in between. Can money buy you something in-game to make you a lot stronger, to make you progress a lot faster? Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general? Yes.

Verdict: Pay2Win, as simple as it gets.

In order for game to not be pay2win it can't offer you something in its store to give you a huge advantage. Mostly cosmetics and other fun items. Most popular Free to Play games are the ones that ain't pay2win because todays gaming community has strangely shifted into a state, where gamers will rather pay you to support you if you don't pressure them into it.

TL;DR this game IS P2W.

BRO YOU DONT GET ANY HUGE ADVANTAGE IN THIS GAME EVER REEEEEEE

Yes you do. You save yourself a lot of time getting yourself stuff for money. You can buy the best armor after you get enough fame, which thankfuly because of your bought boost didnt take long at all. If you die and loose the set, don't worry, you've got your wallet to get you covered so you can buy the gear again, save yourself the endless grind for farming and crafting.

I played the game long before steam release. I liked it, no doubt. But saying that it is not P2W is just dumb, because it is. And I said „Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general?", which is true and it is the very definition of P2W, you answered: „YOU DONT GET ANY HUGE ADVANTAGE", you noticed the word huge? It doesnt matter how big advantage, it is still advantage you purchased for money, getting you ahead = P2W.

[Good Old Gamer]

yeh Mark is a troll 100% just ignore him :P

[Good Old Gamer]

Escrito originalmente por flaminganus:

Escrito originalmente por AO_Elsa:

There's no reason for you playing the game actively without premium status.

when the devs are telling you you shouldn't bother playing without a sub....

seems pretty pay to win to me.

you forget to mention all the bonus' sub players recieve to farming and fame game. i notice that is interestingly absent from your "why this game isn't pay to win" argument.

which is funny, because leaving out the MAIN pay to win features seems very convinient when trying to prove it's not pay to win.

allow me to add all of the features for premium, since you left out quite a few in order to make your argument valid.




20 Learning Points per day
+50% Fame
+50% Gathering yield -HUGE
+100% Farm animal growth rate -HUGE

10,000 Crafting Focus per day -huge
+50% Silver and loot from mobs -literally pay to win
+100% Crop yield -huge
50% Reduced market tax -MASSIVE

in a game where the entire play experience revolves around grinding and farming in order to craft things, the things i mark are MASSIVE advantages.

just because devs TELL you to sub does not mean pay to win... it mean *we made an epic game... you can all play for **free** but please... help us to live and sub!

THATS ALL IT MEANS! P2W in this case would only be *sub or get my shotgun! i know where you live*

[TonyToons]

Escrito originalmente por =UWG= Vepra:

Escrito originalmente por wolfo70:

BRO YOU DONT GET ANY HUGE ADVANTAGE IN THIS GAME EVER REEEEEEE

Yes you do. You save yourself a lot of time getting yourself stuff for money. You can buy the best armor after you get enough fame, which thankfuly because of your bought boost didnt take long at all. If you die and loose the set, don't worry, you've got your wallet to get you covered so you can buy the gear again, save yourself the endless grind for farming and crafting.

I played the game long before steam release. I liked it, no doubt. But saying that it is not P2W is just dumb, because it is. And I said „Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general?", which is true and it is the very definition of P2W, you answered: „YOU DONT GET ANY HUGE ADVANTAGE", you noticed the word huge? It doesnt matter how big advantage, it is still advantage you purchased for money, getting you ahead = P2W.

let's start from the basics:

PAY 2 WIN=you pay real money to get an advantage, i'm fine with your definition.

in order to be an advantage something must be exclusive and not obtainable otherwise, which is not the case, you can pay for premium with silver in a matter of days and you can get other stuff by simply playing. you can choose to pay with money or time, that's the difference and is really up to every single player. if you spend time you can have the same things of a player who spends money instead and it's perfectly fine. no one ever claimed this game to be F2P, it is not. like eve online, you can pay your subscription or you can make lots of isk to buy plexes (currently 1.7b for a month).
is eve P2W? of course not.
as stated before, no bonus is permanent and can be obtained while playing (full loot. you can lose your stuff easily) and premium is easy to pay in a matter of days.

so what's everyone problem?

[ntall1]

Those arguing, saying the game is not p2w, clearly place no value in time.

Most of the world puts the highest value on ones time. Time is the one thing none of us will ever get back. I purchased 6 month premium with earned in game silver. I sacrifised tons of in game time that I could have spent actually enjoying myself donig something like pvp. Instead, I spent that time extrememly bored gathering resources crafting, and playing the market. The fact someone else can simply spend some $$$ to bypass that is extremely p2w.

Ask yourself this question: In Albion online, how much can I spend in a single month to maintain an advantage.
Answer: Unlimited

[FlamingAnus]

Escrito originalmente por Unreal_Gam3er:

Escrito originalmente por flaminganus:

when the devs are telling you you shouldn't bother playing without a sub....

seems pretty pay to win to me.

you forget to mention all the bonus' sub players recieve to farming and fame game. i notice that is interestingly absent from your "why this game isn't pay to win" argument.

which is funny, because leaving out the MAIN pay to win features seems very convinient when trying to prove it's not pay to win.

allow me to add all of the features for premium, since you left out quite a few in order to make your argument valid.




20 Learning Points per day
+50% Fame
+50% Gathering yield -HUGE
+100% Farm animal growth rate -HUGE

10,000 Crafting Focus per day -huge
+50% Silver and loot from mobs -literally pay to win
+100% Crop yield -huge
50% Reduced market tax -MASSIVE

in a game where the entire play experience revolves around grinding and farming in order to craft things, the things i mark are MASSIVE advantages.

just because devs TELL you to sub does not mean pay to win... it mean *we made an epic game... you can all play for **free** but please... help us to live and sub!

THATS ALL IT MEANS! P2W in this case would only be *sub or get my shotgun! i know where you live*

i like that you ignored all of the bonuses i listed that you ignored in your OP too because if you acknowledged them your entire argument would fall apart.

[Good Old Gamer]

well that makes it *pay for time* not *pay 2 win* LOL and you cant get much from it... you only get 20 lp a day + 10k focus a day... comparission speaking i am on DLA have not worked for 18 years... so i can easily make enough for a month sub from in game cash in a week!

The reason Sub is negligable is because someone like me... can easily get up to xxx fame in a matter of hours...

Not only this... pbut pay 2 win actually means gettigng something very OP for your money... in this game that is NOT ture... as i say... you still have to reach the fame level to use the gear you buy anyway!

so stop attention seeking - so to summerize

someone with more time than others do not need to sub at all... - even those with only a few hours a day can easilly afford sub for *free* in 1 > 2 months (i can afford it in 2 weeks) so point of argument... if you want to play for free... grind those weeks/months... if you want to fast track then do so...

Just don't call it pay to win because you don't understand the difference :P

[Pan Paka Pan]

Escrito originalmente por =UWG= Vepra:

Game either is or is not pay2win. There is nothing in between and no matter how much you try to defend it and sugarcoat it, there still is nothing in between. Can money buy you something in-game to make you a lot stronger, to make you progress a lot faster? Buy you some boost to give you an advantage in general? Yes.

Verdict: Pay2Win, as simple as it gets.

In order for game to not be pay2win it can't offer you something in its store to give you a huge advantage. Mostly cosmetics and other fun items. Most popular Free to Play games are the ones that ain't pay2win because todays gaming community has strangely shifted into a state, where gamers will rather pay you to support you if you don't pressure them into it.

TL;DR this game IS P2W.

[Good Old Gamer]

Escrito originalmente por flaminganus:

Escrito originalmente por Unreal_Gam3er:

just because devs TELL you to sub does not mean pay to win... it mean *we made an epic game... you can all play for **free** but please... help us to live and sub!

THATS ALL IT MEANS! P2W in this case would only be *sub or get my shotgun! i know where you live*

i like that you ignored all of the bonuses i listed that you ignored in your OP too because if you acknowledged them your entire argument would fall apart.

wrong... i mention the bonuese many times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2VQ-DrP3Aw&t=1265s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q66o9I_BAD4&t=420s

and have no issue admitting so... as i have said a few times in this thread now... they are negligable at best