General confusion

[Guts]

Just started. I can see the grind already, and it's making me want to quit a little bit after getting into t4 mining and smithing. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The problems I've run into:

1. You have to pay someone to use their forge, so T4 crafting isn't profitable at all. Focus barely improves this. I'm lucky to make a few silver off of any crafting. By the time I pay the crazy 15- 25% fees everyone has on their smelter, there's no way to profit from selling steel bars at the market. Making them into things seems to devalue the bars worse.

2. Do I seriously always have to make copper bars to make bronze bars to make steel bars? It's unrealistic, tedious, and kind of highlights some design flaws in this game. I shouldn't have to go through T2, and T3 gathering every time I want to make a T4 item. I get that copper and tin make bronze, but it doesn't take copper, tin, and iron to make steel. I can only shudder at the thought of this system continuing, making T5 cost copper, tin, iron, and titanium.

3. Where's the resources? I'm in a T4 area trying to mine iron, and I can't only find 4 or 5 nodes within a short ride of each other. I need more nodes and less down time. It was easy enough to never run out of copper and tin to mine, but I'm starting to hit a wall here. Do I actually have to go to a T5 place to reliably mine T4?

[Cajun Rabbit]

This game probably isn't for you.


The "Grind" is part of the game, its a grinding game... you have to do many tasks to get to level 100.


ever heard of Runescape? its in that vain of games.


t4 isnt profitable because its the lowest teir of armor/weapons (T1-3 is starter gear, not real equipment) Its also the easiest and cheapest to produce


Yes you ALWAYS have to use Tx bars +Ty ore to make a Ty bar/block/plank its how the game is set up... its why each new tier is worth exponentially more money.

on the market 100 t4 blocks are worth about 15k silver, 100 t5 blocks are about 70k, and 100 t6 blocks are about 300k and then 100 t7 blocks are over a million


want to make big money? you need to become a serious crafter... go after the hard to get stuff.


want to do serious crafting? gotta haul your ass out to a dangerous zone where you can do serious gathering.

This isnt a namby pamby game, you cant NOT participate in PvP and expect to find the best stuff and make the good money.

[Guts]

I played runescape. This seems like even more of a grind. I wouldn't mind if it were at least somewhat interesting, but they just tossed me out in the world with no idea of what to do except craft things. There doesn't seem to be any story, and I've only seen like 3 quests. Are all the towns player owned with pretty much no NPCs? I'm really trying to see the appeal here. I feel like I'm missing something.

[Cajun Rabbit]

Originally posted by N473:

I played runescape. This seems like even more of a grind. I wouldn't mind if it were at least somewhat interesting, but they just tossed me out in the world with no idea of what to do except craft things. There doesn't seem to be any story, and I've only seen like 3 quests. Are all the towns player owned with pretty much no NPCs? I'm really trying to see the appeal here. I feel like I'm missing something.

There are no quests beyond tutorial ones to get you familiar with the controls. Its no where near as grindy as Runescape.

Yes it is a sandbox, there is no "direction" you need to find your own path. Join a guild, participate in raids, or gear people up for them.

but again... to me, this doesn't sound like your cup of tea. Nothing wrong with that, everyone likes different games.


Maybe you should try something like "Path of Exile" its going to have a more clear cut direction and quests

[iangc49]

Get a clan, talk to people, then the game will start.

[bLz']

Originally posted by N473:

Just started. I can see the grind already, and it's making me want to quit a little bit after getting into t4 mining and smithing. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The problems I've run into:

1. You have to pay someone to use their forge, so T4 crafting isn't profitable at all. Focus barely improves this. I'm lucky to make a few silver off of any crafting. By the time I pay the crazy 15- 25% fees everyone has on their smelter, there's no way to profit from selling steel bars at the market. Making them into things seems to devalue the bars worse.

2. Do I seriously always have to make copper bars to make bronze bars to make steel bars? It's unrealistic, tedious, and kind of highlights some design flaws in this game. I shouldn't have to go through T2, and T3 gathering every time I want to make a T4 item. I get that copper and tin make bronze, but it doesn't take copper, tin, and iron to make steel. I can only shudder at the thought of this system continuing, making T5 cost copper, tin, iron, and titanium.

3. Where's the resources? I'm in a T4 area trying to mine iron, and I can't only find 4 or 5 nodes within a short ride of each other. I need more nodes and less down time. It was easy enough to never run out of copper and tin to mine, but I'm starting to hit a wall here. Do I actually have to go to a T5 place to reliably mine T4?

U never gather anything nor use any npc.

U get a build, u do dungeons, u buy ur stuff from the market.

Gathering is for very very long term economy.
Ure doing it very wrong

[Pulikutya]

You can keep gathering, just dont craft. its much easier that way. It will cover the costs of your gear. You could also find a guild with no tax and crafting fees. Guild island can be a blessing.

Before you search for a resource, check your map. It lists available resources in the area.

[DDB. D-Dawg]

Originally posted by RUM-Cajun Rabbit:

This game probably isn't for you.


The "Grind" is part of the game, its a grinding game... you have to do many tasks to get to level 100.


ever heard of Runescape? its in that vain of games.


t4 isnt profitable because its the lowest teir of armor/weapons (T1-3 is starter gear, not real equipment) Its also the easiest and cheapest to produce


Yes you ALWAYS have to use Tx bars +Ty ore to make a Ty bar/block/plank its how the game is set up... its why each new tier is worth exponentially more money.

on the market 100 t4 blocks are worth about 15k silver, 100 t5 blocks are about 70k, and 100 t6 blocks are about 300k and then 100 t7 blocks are over a million


want to make big money? you need to become a serious crafter... go after the hard to get stuff.


want to do serious crafting? gotta haul your ass out to a dangerous zone where you can do serious gathering.

This isnt a namby pamby game, you cant NOT participate in PvP and expect to find the best stuff and make the good money.

Lol this is not true. To make all your money you have to grind up your weapon skills and gank the top tiered players. Crafting is for losers who dont want to pvp and lose their stuff

[Guts]

So what I'm hearing here is I should work on combat before I work on crafting, since I'll have to get into combat in order to get the better materials. That's fine. I'm still in T2-T3 combat gear. I was kind of hoping to be able to runescape it with crafting all my own stuff, but that seems a bit difficult for my first character.

One more question: I saw the ads say you can make your own class with whatever combo of gear you choose, but it seems like the staff weapons are less effective when used with plate armor. So I guess you technically CAN mix and match, but it won't usually work, right?

[Cajun Rabbit]

Originally posted by N473:

So what I'm hearing here is I should work on combat before I work on crafting, since I'll have to get into combat in order to get the better materials. That's fine. I'm still in T2-T3 combat gear. I was kind of hoping to be able to runescape it with crafting all my own stuff, but that seems a bit difficult for my first character.

One more question: I saw the ads say you can make your own class with whatever combo of gear you choose, but it seems like the staff weapons are less effective when used with plate armor. So I guess you technically CAN mix and match, but it won't usually work, right?

staves are their own thing... they are not less effective cause of armor. Plate however does not give you very good Energy regeneration or +'s to your energy pool... and if you are slinging spells, you will be using a lot of energy compared to Melee skills which are relatively low energy cost.

[bLz']

Originally posted by N473:

So what I'm hearing here is I should work on combat before I work on crafting, since I'll have to get into combat in order to get the better materials. That's fine. I'm still in T2-T3 combat gear. I was kind of hoping to be able to runescape it with crafting all my own stuff, but that seems a bit difficult for my first character.

One more question: I saw the ads say you can make your own class with whatever combo of gear you choose, but it seems like the staff weapons are less effective when used with plate armor. So I guess you technically CAN mix and match, but it won't usually work, right?

Exacly.
Plate reduces your dmg and heal output drastically, but gets you a lot defense. (Were mostly talking about the armor here, the other slots have less impact.)

Cloth has the most damage
Leather second.
But there are skills on it in addition.

Ull need 2 sets.
1xaoe pve eq
1x5v5 pvp eq

Do dungeons with the pve equip and as soon as its high lv ull get respec points that ull put into the pvp gear

What u should do is: go blackzone or any zone u feel like u get good exp. do solo dungeons until u reach t4-5. (Thats when the game kinda starts)
Then use /lfg to find a random dungeon group next to your hometown and just follow them.
U also might wanna talk to people about which build u want to use.

Dungeons give enough money to rebuy your equip all the time.


And for refining lvling u just use dungeon money to buy the materials. Exp is the value there. U kinda invest money for experience until ure like t6, then u get a little profit. Gathering and crafting is long term

[IAmTheCandyMan]

I'm a bit late to the party but let me say a couple things. With crafting, it will be hard to make it profitable when you are new to the game. I would recommend to just sell the stuff you gather and then buy the gear you need. Leveling up gathering is the longest grind in the game. In combat you can have a lot of fun just in t4 stuff.

I would also join a guild. They will (if they are a decent guild) help show you the fun things to do in albion :)

[MaGicBush]

Originally posted by D-Dawg ✔:

Originally posted by RUM-Cajun Rabbit:

This game probably isn't for you.


The "Grind" is part of the game, its a grinding game... you have to do many tasks to get to level 100.


ever heard of Runescape? its in that vain of games.


t4 isnt profitable because its the lowest teir of armor/weapons (T1-3 is starter gear, not real equipment) Its also the easiest and cheapest to produce


Yes you ALWAYS have to use Tx bars +Ty ore to make a Ty bar/block/plank its how the game is set up... its why each new tier is worth exponentially more money.

on the market 100 t4 blocks are worth about 15k silver, 100 t5 blocks are about 70k, and 100 t6 blocks are about 300k and then 100 t7 blocks are over a million


want to make big money? you need to become a serious crafter... go after the hard to get stuff.


want to do serious crafting? gotta haul your ass out to a dangerous zone where you can do serious gathering.

This isnt a namby pamby game, you cant NOT participate in PvP and expect to find the best stuff and make the good money.

Lol this is not true. To make all your money you have to grind up your weapon skills and gank the top tiered players. Crafting is for losers who dont want to pvp and lose their stuff

It is totally true. It's just a different playstyle. I played for 2 months(taking a break), and made it to T6 gathering/crafting. I was able to make it so I make all of my own gear and don't ever have to buy anything off the market besides potions. I did grow bored of gathering, but I stuck to red zones which did make it pretty fun avoiding the ganking and made a lot of money on the side as I was leveling up my crafting. I just focused on things I like to use like medium armor, bows, and tools. I was starting to make good money off of cooking as well as the bows I sold.

That said I was also in a good guild that jump started me with a bunch of T4 stuff, and helped me get my skills up within the first week with pvp and dungeon runs. So I highly recommend joining a good one, but what really burned me out was them wanting to use Discord all the time. I do not really care about random people on the internet, and would rather just use text chat in game. All the guilds I checked out wanted you to use voice programs to play with them and I have zero interest in that. I have a kid that likes to run in the room all the time as well, and get distracted with him a lot so I tend to afk a lot. Not really possible for me to group up consistently so because of that I am taking a break. I may have to go back to WoW where it's a bit more casual friendly.

[classyshade]

I just started too, I only have been playing for one day and I am just stockpiling resources. Dont find the grind horrible. I already have t3 gear and t3 tools. I am slowly working on t4 stuff. Love the grind and can't wait to build my own island. In my opinion totally worth the 10 bucks a month and the perks are pretty generous

[MoJony]

you are doing it wrong, which is to be expected from a new player i did it too.


1. this game's economy is huge for now you should focus on 1 thing to craft, lets go with steel bars because you mentioned it.


let me explain the crafting for you, lets say i have gathered 100 iron ore, i can craft it myself and get 50 steel (ignore the bronze for now). if someone else crafts it with focus he gets 135 iron(or whatever it is i dont remember). therefor the iron ORE is worth more than half a steel bar.

so why would anyone craft you ask? because once you focus on ONE thing, taking our steel bar example. you buy/gather iron ore and bronze and you take it to a city with a crafting bonus for those things, each city has a crafting bonus for some items of 35% and carleon has a flat 15% for ALL crafting. and that way you make good profit. throw in some focus and you are doing even better.

[bLz']

Originally posted by MoJony:

you are doing it wrong, which is to be expected from a new player i did it too.


1. this game's economy is huge for now you should focus on 1 thing to craft, lets go with steel bars because you mentioned it.


let me explain the crafting for you, lets say i have gathered 100 iron ore, i can craft it myself and get 50 steel (ignore the bronze for now). if someone else crafts it with focus he gets 135 iron(or whatever it is i dont remember). therefor the iron ORE is worth more than half a steel bar.

so why would anyone craft you ask? because once you focus on ONE thing, taking our steel bar example. you buy/gather iron ore and bronze and you take it to a city with a crafting bonus for those things, each city has a crafting bonus for some items of 35% and carleon has a flat 15% for ALL crafting. and that way you make good profit. throw in some focus and you are doing even better.

be carefull, he gets mad when you tell him that he did it wrong :D