Demul runs @60 fps - no bugs, 30 fps for port is unexusable laziness, dont buy until fix!

[v00d00m4n]

Seriously, emulator works at 60 fps with no problem with timings, this lazy hackjob port absolutely has no excuse to be locked at 30fps - laziness of porting team to freaking fix a timing related code and test entire game for integrity is not excuse.

Show SEGA an 3DT that you are not going tolerate lazy porting and dont buy this game yet until they will promice or will implement a 60 fps support with patch, until then play it with emulator.

yeah yeah i know we all have been waiting for this game to be release on pc, but that does not mean we should buy whatever ♥♥♥♥ half ♥♥♥♥♥ port they will release, have som dignity and have some self respect and teach SEGA a lesson of fair business and that you will accept quality port, not just cheep lazy hack job they will throw out int your face!

[dannyj147]

Nguyên văn bởi V I D A L:

Jeez dude. Don't spil your drink. Go take a Valium.
You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Happened so many times before. Even RE4 when officially increased to 60fps had many animations broken and playing twice as fast. To thid day the rifle reloading animation remained at 30fps even though the rest of the game was at 60. Dark Souls had a problem that timed effects would last only half of the intended time because it was coded into the frame rate rather than real seconds.. so playing at 60fps would affect the duration of such effects. Stop whining like a child. We both know how this is.

It's not unfixable, but requires a lot more work than SEGA was willing to invest on.. a lot more than simply porting the game but dive into the engine and code to adapt the game properly to 60fps.

That said, if that is Shenmue's case it's anyone's guess. Alice Madness Return had a 30fps lock and unlocking to 60 didn't seem to have any negative effect.. but that was a much more recent game.

Alice was built on unreal engine so was very easy to fix.

[v00d00m4n]

Nguyên văn bởi V I D A L:

Jeez dude. Don't spil your drink. Go take a Valium.
You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Happened so many times before. Even RE4 when officially increased to 60fps had many animations broken and playing twice as fast. To thid day the rifle reloading animation remained at 30fps even though the rest of the game was at 60. Dark Souls had a problem that timed effects would last only half of the intended time because it was coded into the frame rate rather than real seconds.. so playing at 60fps would affect the duration of such effects. Stop whining like a child. We both know how this is.

It's not unfixable, but requires a lot more work than SEGA was willing to invest on.. a lot more than simply porting the game but dive into the engine and code to adapt the game properly to 60fps.

That said, if that is Shenmue's case it's anyone's guess. Alice Madness Return had a 30fps lock and unlocking to 60 didn't seem to have any negative effect.. but that was a much more recent game.

All I'm saying is that more often than not for a older console game, especially from the 90's you can't just press a button and convert it to 60fps and Shenmue on Dreamcast would have slowdowns rather than skip frame. Everytime the console was unable to keep 30fps the game would run in slowmotion instead of skipping frame to keep the speed. That is one sign of how much of the game is locked on it's framerate.

Besides, you are overeacting like sobody who has nothing better in life. "Have some dignity and some self respect and teach SEGA a lesson?" Jesus.. do you even hear yourself? Dignity and self respect for buying a 18 years old video game that doesn't come with fancy 60 fps? Just pathetic dude... You need to find some real problems in life to worry about.

those few broken animation was just mistake or lazyness of devs who skipped them, rest of animations are fine, dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me, RE4 UHD is a bad port.
Dark Souls - omg another ♥♥♥♥♥♥ port.

Do you have any NON ♥♥♥♥♥♥ LOW EFFORT PORT as example??? Practically almost every console game runs at 30 fps, yet most of them getting transfered into 60 in proper PC ports without any problem, but you dare to use ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ low effort ports as example, ignoring fact os so many issues in these ports present, that obviosly indicate that problems you listed is result of overall poor quality control and cheap lazy porting.

As about self respect - yes i hear myself and i hear ♥♥♥♥ load of pathetic fan boys like you who are ready to lick anus of every publisher who throw out cheap poor quality ports and games in your pathetic faces, and charge you over 9000 $$$ and yet you keep licking their asses and defending them, when they threat you like some hobo dogs when they throw you meatless half roten bones and before you even allowed to lick that bone they force you dance and do the barrel roll and bark on someone like me for shaming corps and trying to actually force them threat you like a humans.

You have no self respect and no dignity if you allow corporations to threat you like some dogs. So you better look at your pathetic self - you look like a hobo dog when you allow publishers to threat you so. Stop barking at me, dog, be a man and show those corps you are man, not their ♥♥♥♥♥ dog!
Best way to do that - dont pay them until they show some respect to you and every other customer and until they will put some noticable effort into their releases.

[V I D A L]

You are sick in the head my friend.. Go find some help. You suffer from concerning mental health.. depression and unjustified angry issues. Maybe find some other hobbies that aren't so stressful to you. Have a good one. Also, just don't buy this game. Lots of options out there. No use to get so upset over it. Take care of yourself.

[Citizen Cook]

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Nguyên văn bởi V I D A L:

Sounds like you start playing games yesteday. Even if an emulator forces a game to run at 60fps it breakes the game in many aspects that you won't see on the surifce... could be events, could input, could be timed mechanic in the game.. a level that is tied to frame rate... even entire animations are constructed based on frames rather than timing. Lots of problems will surfice if you try to play in 60fps a game that is hard coded in 30fps. Give up. We've been here before.. games locked at 30fps.. moder unlocked to 60fps... everything looked fine at first.. then the game was broken at certain parts.

For ♥♥♥♥ sake, stop this nonsense! i was playing, hacking, modding and developing games combined tother longer than you live. I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate when such arrogant negligent snobs like you, who have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea what they talking about, and who have no brain to even check facts before opening mouth, love to argue with people who have idea what they talking about and who have checked facts.

Listening to some shills from community and excuses from devs - are no facts. Facts iare when you do know yourself how this stuff can be done.

Just freaking download demul and gdi files of shenmu and see yourself with your own freaking eyes and stop denying facts. Games does not anyhow look like 30 fps, demul, just like many emulators allow to play with higher framerate without breaking games.

Here, i recorded footage (unfortunately fps counter overlay that showed 60 fps was no recorded, but it was almost always constant) in demul @60 fps, nothing broken, everything works just fine. Now cut this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ already, you have absolutely no technical knowledge and now idea how easy fps related timings to fix in generic fashion, and you just retranslating cheap excuse of devs nd sega that they spread for native people like you, i know exactly why and how they lie. Hardcode my ass, lamer, and learn the proper usage of word "hardcoded" - its only an issue when you have no sourcode and need to deal with machine code, but even this is no big issue, besides unlocking fps you can inject micro code that will patch timings (just a tip for you - while rendering could be at 60 fps, to fix timing issues you can always do imternal counting of stuff every 2 frames at virtual 30 fps that does not affect rendering, and you always can interpolate in between results for anythiing, tricks like this was used in MP games for decades, when game renders at 60 fps, but MP packets frame rate was at 30 fps, you can do that with physics and ai and qte), but if you have code - nothing is hardcoded anymore for you, because you can change code anytime. hardcoded applies to compiled binary with no configuration means to change value.

https://youtu.be/DI86unB83dQ

Nguyên văn bởi Citizen Cook:

Boom!

Nice sell out shill! Totally trustful bunch of excuses! Just like game journalists from IGN who gives 10 of 10 to every dev that got them invited everywhere and paid for everything. *sarcasm*

D3T just bunch of lazy talentless hacks, who paid James huge amount of money to backup their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuses for zero offort. Only naive people who have no idea about porting and coding and gamedev in general will buy this ♥♥♥♥ load of lies.

Nice rant.

But how exactly I'm I a sell-out?
No one is paying me to buy Shenmue 1&2 HD next month on the 21st of August for the low low price of just £20 :)

[v00d00m4n]

Nguyên văn bởi Citizen Cook:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

For ♥♥♥♥ sake, stop this nonsense! i was playing, hacking, modding and developing games combined tother longer than you live. I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate when such arrogant negligent snobs like you, who have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea what they talking about, and who have no brain to even check facts before opening mouth, love to argue with people who have idea what they talking about and who have checked facts.

Listening to some shills from community and excuses from devs - are no facts. Facts iare when you do know yourself how this stuff can be done.

Just freaking download demul and gdi files of shenmu and see yourself with your own freaking eyes and stop denying facts. Games does not anyhow look like 30 fps, demul, just like many emulators allow to play with higher framerate without breaking games.

Here, i recorded footage (unfortunately fps counter overlay that showed 60 fps was no recorded, but it was almost always constant) in demul @60 fps, nothing broken, everything works just fine. Now cut this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ already, you have absolutely no technical knowledge and now idea how easy fps related timings to fix in generic fashion, and you just retranslating cheap excuse of devs nd sega that they spread for native people like you, i know exactly why and how they lie. Hardcode my ass, lamer, and learn the proper usage of word "hardcoded" - its only an issue when you have no sourcode and need to deal with machine code, but even this is no big issue, besides unlocking fps you can inject micro code that will patch timings (just a tip for you - while rendering could be at 60 fps, to fix timing issues you can always do imternal counting of stuff every 2 frames at virtual 30 fps that does not affect rendering, and you always can interpolate in between results for anythiing, tricks like this was used in MP games for decades, when game renders at 60 fps, but MP packets frame rate was at 30 fps, you can do that with physics and ai and qte), but if you have code - nothing is hardcoded anymore for you, because you can change code anytime. hardcoded applies to compiled binary with no configuration means to change value.

https://youtu.be/DI86unB83dQ



Nice sell out shill! Totally trustful bunch of excuses! Just like game journalists from IGN who gives 10 of 10 to every dev that got them invited everywhere and paid for everything. *sarcasm*

D3T just bunch of lazy talentless hacks, who paid James huge amount of money to backup their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuses for zero offort. Only naive people who have no idea about porting and coding and gamedev in general will buy this ♥♥♥♥ load of lies.

Nice rant.

But how exactly I'm I a sell-out?
No one is paying me to buy Shenmue 1&2 HD next month on the 21st of August for the low low price of just £20 :)

Are you James Reiner i was speaking about, or just an idiot who cant read and undestand that you are definetly not James Reiner who i was calling sell out shill?

[Miraglyth]

This argument is quite heated and has an unnecessary amount of swearing so I won't take part in the main part of it but I was interested in the video.

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Here, i recorded footage (unfortunately fps counter overlay that showed 60 fps was no recorded, but it was almost always constant) in demul @60 fps, nothing broken, everything works just fine.

https://youtu.be/DI86unB83dQ

This doesn't really show anything when the highest quality option Youtube is offering for that video is 480p@30...

I also note the video has 1 view as of me looking at it, so I suspect nobody else in this topic actually clicked it to check for themselves (explained by nobody noticing the missing 60fps options). Are people really discussing this subject in full earnest if they're not even checking what other people are saying...?

Edit: Whoa hey:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Just freaking download demul and gdi files of shenmu and see yourself with your own freaking eyes and stop denying facts.

Just had a quick overdue look into Demul, for long enough to see that no disc drive can naturally read my Dreamcast game discs (so playing them directly or burning their contents isn't that simple).

The guides on the subject all say to "just download the GDI files" but those are the game disc images. They're basically the equivalent of ISOs, and I'm pretty sure that makes this instruction piracy.

[v00d00m4n]

Nguyên văn bởi Miraglyth:

This argument is quite heated and has an unnecessary amount of swearing so I won't take part in the main part of it but I was interested in the video.

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Here, i recorded footage (unfortunately fps counter overlay that showed 60 fps was no recorded, but it was almost always constant) in demul @60 fps, nothing broken, everything works just fine.

https://youtu.be/DI86unB83dQ

This doesn't really show anything when the highest quality option Youtube is offering for that video is 480p@30...

I also note the video has 1 view as of me looking at it, so I suspect nobody else in this topic actually clicked it to check for themselves (explained by nobody noticing the missing 60fps options). Are people really discussing this subject in full earnest if they're not even checking what other people are saying...?

Edit: Whoa hey:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Just freaking download demul and gdi files of shenmu and see yourself with your own freaking eyes and stop denying facts.

Just had a quick overdue look into Demul, for long enough to see that no disc drive can naturally read my Dreamcast game discs (so playing them directly or burning their contents isn't that simple).

The guides on the subject all say to "just download the GDI files" but those are the game disc images. They're basically the equivalent of ISOs, and I'm pretty sure that makes this instruction piracy.

Nope, you are not pirating is you own original disks. I do. So its a backup copy of legaly owned disk.

Plus since game and consoles production stopped and since last officially distributed new copy of console an game run out of stock, so you cant purchase it anymore, and since all official support of dreamcast ended - both hardware nad software state is abandonware. Sega still owns ip, but tehcnically obtaining abandonware is not a piracy since no officialy distributed physical copies of disks or console are available anymore you cant pirate what dont exist anymore in physical form and what would not bring money to owner anymore. Whats dead cant die. Even presence of PC version which not even released yet, does not change fact that DC version is abandonware. If you will download copy of pc version elsewhere it would be piracy since pc version is officially distributed and available in stock, but its does not work like that with dc version as its physical media. not digital, and platform is different, and release date and support status as well.

[Miraglyth]

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Nope, you are not pirating is you own original disks. I do. So its a backup copy of legaly owned disk.

It is possible to make a backup using your own discs, definitely.

But you advised people to do this:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

download demul and gdi files

Downloading the GDI files is not backing up and it's certainly not using your own discs.

[v00d00m4n]

Nguyên văn bởi Miraglyth:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Nope, you are not pirating is you own original disks. I do. So its a backup copy of legaly owned disk.

It is possible to make a backup using your own discs, definitely.

But you advised people to do this:

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

download demul and gdi files

Downloading the GDI files is not backing up and it's certainly not using your own discs.

There is no law that restricts usage of backups made by someone else, disks are not invidiualised, they are identical, so it does not matter if you do your own backup or download backup by someone else. Also i should not that DC disks are not usual CDROM, their capacity was about 1 gb, so making a working backups without special tools and tweaks is impossible https://dreamcast-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=10027 so its faster and easier to use backups made by someone else. Also, not sure about you, but i dont keep my old disks right in front of me and dont want to waste half of day looking for disk in boxes full of my old archieved stuff. So cut the crap already, and if you want to make sure game runs at 60 fps in demul do what i said. But if you insist so much that i advertised something ïllegal", let me clear the dust from my LLM diploma and reboot into lawyer mode... loading complete... so you just quoted me saying "download gdi" - right - but did i say where you should download them? Nope! Do you know exactly what i mean by that? Nope!

Maybe i just mean - download from your own backup server, your own GDI backups, or maybe i mean a download of your own GDI backups from your other PC or laptop via shared network files - who knows? I did not state exactly what source of download i mean, so i could mean any, and it does not mean the one you think i mean, so GTFO with your "piracy" talks, its your misunderstanding and absolutely far-fetched assumption that has no proving ground, i didnt advide anyone to pirate anything, if you take my words that way, it could only mean that you are troll and provoking me to blame myself in what i did not or maybe your are a latent pirate, who projects his twisted inner desires to pirate a game on me but c'mon - look at my huge library of games on steam, and look at yours - yep, im the one who pays more for games than you do, does owner of other one thouthand games on steam look like pirate to you? Think again and quit your trolling.

[Citizen Cook]

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Nguyên văn bởi Citizen Cook:

Nice rant.

But how exactly I'm I a sell-out?
No one is paying me to buy Shenmue 1&2 HD next month on the 21st of August for the low low price of just £20 :)

Are you James Reiner i was speaking about, or just an idiot who cant read and undestand that you are definetly not James Reiner who i was calling sell out shill?

In your anger you quoted me.
Calm down, dude, you’re going to blow a fuse.

[Miraglyth]

Nguyên văn bởi Voodooman:

Maybe i just mean - download from your own backup server...

I don't care for your wall-of-text distraction. The simple point is you've directed a typical person to "download" something without clarifying that it was limited to legal self-made options they almost surely haven't prepared in advance.

I'm mostly concerned that if they did that, they might then not buy the games when they would have otherwise. It's not a good thing to get people to do.

If you're as legally considerate as you profess, please amend that post to make that more clear.

[WinterzShadow]

Alright alright, we are all human and its too damn early for this ♥♥♥♥, so lets all be civil for once, yes Sega is kinda shady, but not more shadier than Nintendo. The game is not that expensive however, overseas in Eastern European countries such as Russia, I can see where one may feel inclined to believe it to be expensive. I would be pissed to if they slapped a price tag on it that in my opinion felt too be way too much. Without derailing the OP's post, most of us are at least familiar about the idea of Shenmue running at 60FPS, yes the eye can play tricks on you and frame interpolation is held accountable for that, the game does look smoother however it is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT 60FPS, atleast it isn't perfect true 60FPS otherwise there would be no adverse side-effects. Games running at 60FPS or higher look absolutely amazing compared to 30FPS, the later games especially...now for this game, I heard the frame-rate is basically HARD-CODED into the physics, and basically everything in the game, so 60FPS would mean a COMPLETE OVERHAUL...does this game deserve it? Of course! Was there enough time for it? Yes... Does Sega care enough to do that? Of course not! Seeing this game with frame interpolation did make it appear to be running more smoothly almost like true 60FPS and it looked good. Does this game NEED 60FPS...well, no it still looks fine however the added perk of a higher frame-rate is appreciated, which is what this is all about. Now to go off on a rant to say others shouldn't buy this game because of that, well that is just selfish, to yourself, and the bright brand new baby sunshine gamers out there who have yet to experiece a true masterpiece. Ok, I am done contributing to spam posts...

[jasonorme666]

My God, Voodooman.. take a tablet or something.
The games like £20, that's less than half the price of some Call Of Duty abortion... and it's 2 games.. chill.. the world owes you nothing.

[Lorywindrunner]

lol this guy thinks that because his emulator fps counter says 60 fps it means the games internal framerate is 60, all that means is that it's running full speed.

That's not how it works dog the game is still running at 30 fps.

[Miraglyth]

Nguyên văn bởi peacewalker:

yes the eye can play tricks on you and frame interpolation is held accountable for that, the game does look smoother however it is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT 60FPS

Well to repeat my earlier post, the 60 FPS video I saw definitely wasn't interpolated. The "between" frames were not blends of the "real" frames which is how interpolation would work.