Atelier Lydie & Suelle ~The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings~

Atelier Lydie & Suelle ~The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings~

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Notshane 15 jul. 2018 às 9:33
Mysterious Paintings - PC or Switch
Pretty comical question to ask on here, since I'm sure the answer may be one-sided, but I might as well bring it up here anyway. I know this series has a lot of trilogy games and I noticed the Switch only has the third of three games on it. Seeing as it would be bothersome to have one on Switch and play the rest on PC, would it make more sense to just buy all three of the Mysterious trilogy on PC instead? I really want it on Switch just cause I am lacking in games for it, but it also only runs at 30fps. Maybe if it had touchscreen controls for the synthesizing system, portable mode would be pretty fun.
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vkobe 16 jul. 2018 às 8:34 
Originalmente postado por Alpha Centauri:
If you DO HAVE a Switch, I would vote for Switch. Playing this kind of games on the go, in any place, in any position you want is about 14x more comfortable than just sit on a cold chair and be there 24/7 working, playing etc. But that's just my opinion. I use the computer to work.
The great advantage for Vita is remote play, I can play where I want in any position when in my home due to remote play, however Vita remote play is basically useless if you leave home.

That's why a Switch nowadays is more mobile, not to mention has a much better processor than Vita (when playing native, and even on remote since resolution is capped on 540p while Switch is 720p on the go). The 30vs60 FPS won't make any difference for this kind of game really, it's not something you wanna brag on OH MY GOD LOOK AT THIS JAW DROPPING ACTION SCENE, you get the picture...

If I had a Switch and didn't care about Sony ecosystem (which I love) I would blindly get it on Switch. PC is like the last resource for me, you even need a separated controller to play on PC, not to mention the wireless adaptor to the controller etc, also not to mention all the troubles with the hardware compatibility, headache and possible ports problems (tried to play Firis on a capable PC, looked how bad it was and just gave up on PC for Gust games, moved to Sony and I'm very happy now).

--- TL:DR => if you already have a switch, get the switch version.
controller are also separate from console

you can also play atelier game with keyboard and mouse

if your pc is weak yes is last resource for you ;^)

but you dont need strong pc for atelier game ^_^
Tiasmoon 16 jul. 2018 às 8:58 
Controllers are considered standard PC accessories for gamers these days, much like a mouse.

I'd say for combat 60 fps does matter, as Atelier games tend to have pretty flash combat animations and moves. I played 3 Atelier games on Vita and in comparison to the 2 I played on PC, those were very laggy.

Only real advantage a Vita and now Switch have is their ability to play games on the move or just in a different position.

For quality of gameplay I'd advise PC, for portability a Switch.
vkobe 16 jul. 2018 às 11:16 
and with pc controller you dont need to buy a new every 5 years

unfortunally 360 controller doesnt work on xbox one

and ps3 controller doesnt work on ps4

and it is worst with nintendo controller :^(

so the 360 controller for pc work well with current video game ;^)
Notshane 16 jul. 2018 às 13:26 
A few things to note here is I do have a Switch Pro Controller, which is fully supported by Steam and therefore, I have that option with PC. And I also have a very powerful computer, so I have no worries about not being able to run the game. I suppose another concern I have though is if the game has a consistent 30fps on Switch, at least when docked. And what the resolutions are when docked or portable.
vkobe 16 jul. 2018 às 15:25 
and remember it is atelier, not battlefield, so atelier dont really care about graphic performance, so atelier dont care if you have ninth generation of cpu and gtx 2000 serie and unfortuanlly gust and koei dont care about vr :^(
zachillios 16 jul. 2018 às 18:29 
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.
Notshane 16 jul. 2018 às 23:30 
Originalmente postado por zachillios:
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.

Save transfer between PC and Switch? That's...interesting. You brought up Sophie, though. Are all three games linked together then? I was told it doesn't matter which one I go into.

Also, I still don't know what resolutions Switch has for docked and portable modes, so an answer for that if somebody knows would be appreciated.

And no, the internet didn't help me due to the Atelier series being relatively obscure, for those who want to be a smartass and tell me to Google it. If you do know, just help me please and don't be rude. I'm obviously asking since I couldn't find the answer myself.
zachillios 16 jul. 2018 às 23:37 
Originalmente postado por Notshane:
Originalmente postado por zachillios:
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.

Save transfer between PC and Switch? That's...interesting. You brought up Sophie, though. Are all three games linked together then? I was told it doesn't matter which one I go into.

Also, I still don't know what resolutions Switch has for docked and portable modes, so an answer for that if somebody knows would be appreciated.

And no, the internet didn't help me due to the Atelier series being relatively obscure, for those who want to be a smartass and tell me to Google it. If you do know, just help me please and don't be rude. I'm obviously asking since I couldn't find the answer myself.
Atelier Sophie>Atelier Firis>Atelier Lydie and Suelle. All three games are connected, and share a good deal of the cast. And when I saw it's ugly on switch, I more so mean the quality is low as opposed to a resolution problem. See here: http://www.siliconera.com/2017/12/16/check-atelier-lydie-suelles-ps4-vs-switch-vs-ps-vita-comparison-screenshots/

My advice to you is, if you've got a busy schedule and don't have a ton of time on your hands, the switch version may be the way to go. Sophie and Firis are both pretty long drawn out games that don't have clear cut goals. Lydie and Suelle has basically a check point story where you always know your goal, so you can pick it up and get work done in short sittings. So if this is the case with you, get Lydie and Suelle for the switch. If not, just buy it for PC. And as for the previous few games, I always recommend Sophie 100%, but Firis holds little value to the overall trilogy's plot, and it's expensive and a buggy port, and not on switch. So if you want to play on a budget, Sophie on PC, Lydie and Suelle on a console of your choosing.

Tiasmoon 17 jul. 2018 às 5:42 
Originalmente postado por zachillios:
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.

They fixed the issues Firis had on PC. It ran very well for me on my laptop.




Originalmente postado por Notshane:
Originalmente postado por zachillios:
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.

Save transfer between PC and Switch? That's...interesting. You brought up Sophie, though. Are all three games linked together then? I was told it doesn't matter which one I go into.

Also, I still don't know what resolutions Switch has for docked and portable modes, so an answer for that if somebody knows would be appreciated.

And no, the internet didn't help me due to the Atelier series being relatively obscure, for those who want to be a smartass and tell me to Google it. If you do know, just help me please and don't be rude. I'm obviously asking since I couldn't find the answer myself.

They are loosely connected. Firis being the second game set in the same world has some characters from Sophie. They dont expect you to know what happend in Sophie tho. When relevant they mention things in Firis.

Having played Sophie before is just a bonus of a sort when it comes to it.
So you can start whichever you want to start first.

Generally people advice playing Sophie first because:

-Its half the price on PC compared to Firis or Lydie
-It has no timelimit. Firis does, even if its a generous one...its still a timelimit with stress involved.

Between the two Firis is the better game tho. A much larger world, more interesting characters, and just a lot more to do. It even manages a better plot despite having less story, as a result of the characters side stories feeling more interesting then in Sophie.

zachillios 17 jul. 2018 às 12:05 
Originalmente postado por Tiasmoon:
Originalmente postado por zachillios:
These game aren't super cinematic or anything, so a 30fps cap isn't a huge deal. However, the switch version of Lydie and Suelle is HIDEOUS, just be warned. There's so save data transfer between the games, so there's no reason not to buy Sophie and Firis on here and Lydie for switch. So honestly it's all up for preference. The pc version of Firis is a buggy mess though, so just be ready for that. For the time being, I'd say just buy Sophie for PC and see if you like it. If you enjoy it, then sweet, if not, it's no biggy. It's cheap, and it runs very well. It's definitely worth your nuck.

They fixed the issues Firis had on PC. It ran very well for me on my laptop.



Between the two Firis is the better game tho. A much larger world, more interesting characters, and just a lot more to do. It even manages a better plot despite having less story, as a result of the characters side stories feeling more interesting then in Sophie.
I never had issues with it, but you can still see people reporting having issues on it, so it's not fixed. And you're about the only person i've ever seen that prefers Firis. It's got a paper thin plot, much more shallow characterization than Sophie, has the time limit, and has very stale traits and effects. It sacrificed everything for an open world, ala; Lightning Returns. You're completely entitled to your opinion, but it's not one most people share.
Tiasmoon 17 jul. 2018 às 13:06 
I am? I've never seen anyone say Sophie was better lol.
And thats coming from me, who was very skeptical of Firis after Sophie, and waited over a year to finally buy it.


Really, your the first and only to prefer Sophie that ive seen.

Firis has some annoying things of its own like all the travel time, having a timelimit that adds unneeded pressure, and having to rank up your crafts (which takes some grinding).
But overall it improved on a lot of the things Sophie did poorly.



The characterization is far superior to Sophie for the most part. In Sophie I never used or even found half the cast enjoyable.

Oscar, Juno, Monica. Never used them at all except for their quests. They werent interesting in the slightest. Corneria was fun, but her story/dialogue either funny or non-existant. Harold was an interesting character that didnt really go very far. Fritz had some relevance in the plot atleast.

On top of that, Plachta (one of the 2 main characters) had horrible art/character design. Which is a shame since they based her off Ophelia from Atelier Ayesha, who had a very interesting character design.


In comparison, while Firis has less main story required to finish the game, its sidequests had actual plot. Sophies sidequests didnt.
On top of that, the dialogue and interactions were much better written then Sophie's, and there were more of them.

Sophie barely had any plot as well, with almost all of it compressed in the last section of the game. But since it lacked the plot in the sidecontent I'd definately give Firis a better scoring mark in the plot and story department.


Originalmente postado por ;2572003428664445937:
very stale traits and effects.
It has literally all the traits and effects that Sophie does, and adds a bunch to them. While you are entitled to your opinion that they are stale....if you feel that way, you should also feel the same way about Sophies as they are the same kinds of traits...except theres less of them.

In fact I even used much of the same items as I did in Sophie. So im not sure what problem you had in Firis that you didnt have in Sophie?



Originalmente postado por ;2572003428664445937:
I never had issues with it, but you can still see people reporting having issues on it, so it's not fixed.
I dont know when you actually saw that, tho. I played Firis recently (past week) And at this point the game is fixed for most, if not all. I'm well aware the game had a lot of issues at its launch as that was also part of the reason (aside from the price, and Sophie not being great) that I didnt purchase the game then.

Fact remains they appear to have to fixed all that, tho. For someone interested in the game now, instead of a year and a half in the past: thats all that matters.


Originalmente postado por ;2572003428664445937:
It sacrificed everything for an open world, ala; Lightning Returns. You're completely entitled to your opinion, but it's not one most people share.

Firis didnt sacrifice anything. It improves on much of the things that Sophie did wrong, while making mistakes of its own. Either way, even with its faults (some of which are frustrating), its still a much better game then Sophie. Even despite a timelimit (I hate timelimits).


And respectfully, you are quite wrong. The majority does agree that Firis > Sophie. It is that sentiment what ultimately convinced me to buy the game after all. Even after I really didnt want to give Koei anymore money.

Had I believed people saying Firis improved on much earlier then I had, I'd broughly had bought the game at release. Even with its issues and 60 euro pricetag.


Granted, Sophie was not my first Atelier game, but my 3th. And Firis is my 5th. So maybe my perspective is different from someone that only played Sophie?

Playing Ayesha after Sophie really reminded me just how low quality Sophies characterizations, dialogue and plot were.

Nevermind the art, which is terrible in both Sophie and Firis.

One thing I will give you tho: the best 2 characters from Sophie (3 if you count Harold) aren't in Firis. So that's definately a minus for the game.
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2d0x 17 jul. 2018 às 14:30 
Originalmente postado por Tiasmoon:
...Really, your the first and only to prefer Sophie that ive seen...
Well, then I'll be second.
Tiasmoon 17 jul. 2018 às 16:29 
Then your the second.

What did you like about Sophie more? (im asking since im expecting you to have a more reasonable opinion then him)
vkobe 17 jul. 2018 às 16:36 
Originalmente postado por Tiasmoon:
Then your the second.

What did you like about Sophie more? (im asking since im expecting you to have a more reasonable opinion then him)
monica, leon ;^)
Tiasmoon 17 jul. 2018 às 17:05 
I agree that its a shame Leon isnt in Firis. It seems to have become a habit not to include the better characters from previous games..ever since Escha & Logy. Which apparently doesnt even have Ayesha (the Alchemist from the previous game) in it.

Dont quite get why either. Characters like Sterk appearing in all 3 Arland games is part of the reason why its such a good trilogy. (and what made Meruru lots of fun for me, even if it has one of the worst designed Alchemist of all the series)

No Harold, Cornelia either.

Well, I guess Harold gets a kind-of-look-alike, and Cornelia does get an erm..doll.

Speaking of Escha and Logy...Logy is a pretty interesting character in the Mysterious series. Dont like Escha at all.
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