Firmament

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Odinoki May 20, 2023 @ 5:48pm
BLOCKER: Rotary Ice Crane permanent 'Blocked'
I think I managed to get one end stuck in the mountain. Now all the crane controls do nothing and I'm hard stuck.
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Laurence5905 May 20, 2023 @ 5:53pm 
Teleport out using the "teleport to safe place" item in the Settings menu.

When I got the crane super-stuck that got me out and reset the crane, however, the movable platform in the Ice Factory acted as if it wasn't there anymore -- I could not walk across it to get back to the crane.

I had to step as far onto that platform as I could, then use the Adjunct, *bump* the platform (and I mean *bump* -- do not solidly press the button to move it or you'll drop right through) and then I popped up into the platform and I was able to cross it, finally.
smoobly May 20, 2023 @ 8:38pm 
That's a bug. Hit me too. Twice. Can't get past the ice crane. Teleport to Safe Place accomplishes nothing. Can't do anything at this point but start a new game. Again.

Not very impressed, Cyan. You guys wrote Myst and Riven?
maracujonds May 20, 2023 @ 9:59pm 
I got blocked too. Tried opening the last autosave, but it didn't work, I got stuck in a black screen. Tried restarting the game, same result. So I had to open another slot I had saved ages ago. Lost all my progress in St Andrew and Curievale Bluff. At least I won't have to start all over..
I experienced this as well (GOG version, updated to the latest). At first the grabbing part of the crane got detached, but that was solved by loading a save. Then the crane got permanently stuck and none of the 6 controls on either end did anything. Using the teleport command did restore the crane to the original location (connected to the factory) and allowed it to move as normal again.
joridiculous May 21, 2023 @ 5:09am 
use the "Teleport to safe place" under Setting menu (for some stupid reason)
It should reset the crane
owowg May 21, 2023 @ 6:26am 
Happened to me too just now. Twice in a row within 5 minutes. This ice crane is the most buggiest thing in a game I've experienced in a long time. Was this area even playtested? This game was not quite ready for release.

UPDATE: Make that three times. What a miserable experience.
Last edited by owowg; May 21, 2023 @ 7:18am
Feorun May 21, 2023 @ 4:44pm 
Originally posted by owowg:
Happened to me too just now. Twice in a row within 5 minutes. This ice crane is the most buggiest thing in a game I've experienced in a long time. Was this area even playtested? This game was not quite ready for release.

UPDATE: Make that three times. What a miserable experience.
yep happened to me also..thinking to quit playin for at least 3,4 patches to come out so I can have a lil bit better experience..I hope lol, this is buggy mess now :/
MoosesMeeses May 21, 2023 @ 6:28pm 
Circle crane is miserable. i've gotten stuck and not been able to get unstuck several times. Usually when I can't see the backside. Why is the area around the crane so constricted? What puzzle value is there in having unseen (and unsolvable) places to get stuck? This part is not fun.
A JANITOR May 21, 2023 @ 7:12pm 
Originally posted by Rose:
I experienced this as well (GOG version, updated to the latest). At first the grabbing part of the crane got detached, but that was solved by loading a save. Then the crane got permanently stuck and none of the 6 controls on either end did anything. Using the teleport command did restore the crane to the original location (connected to the factory) and allowed it to move as normal again.

same before the 1st patch but crane hook long gone stuck way on other side in the side of a cliff
was literally impossible to pickup any ice cubes=lol and that teleport option bug out the hook even more now hook is outside the map and there is no crane hook=bahahaha

also impossible to pickup ice cube under bridge after using bridge controls= its impossible to get front or back of crane to line up with gate as fence block da crane from both sides of fence and the crane gets jammed vs fence collision then nothing works=teleport n bug platform on top of building then shoot door socket to skip the ice under the bridge=BINGO

so instead of trying to pickup any ice cubes at all=lol cant use a crane that has no hook on it xd was to extend the back of the crane over the top of the building near the bridge socket cuz it impossible to rotate it 180 deg vs both crane controls
it goes really close to that door with the end ya cant walk off then shoot door socket to skip picking up the ice that blocks the path then go out the gate ya came in and go through second gate to get to coal furnace and heaters so don't pickup any ice cubes at all just open both the doors (one via top of ice cave the other by bugging crane platform on top of building near gate to skip the ice cube stuck under the bridge
loading saves make it worse xd crane hook in the sky somewhere=lol

also st andrews crash on almost every single socket until have all upgrades n the rest of the game crash randomly vs shooting sockets


that harvester also got stuck outside the map too so I went for a walk outside the map and couldn't get back in vs invisible walls=lol teleport fix dat

teleport get ya out of it but no matter what ya do crane always breaks itself but ya only gotta get on the ice in the mountain n bug it on top of the building near the gate as back of crane almost reaches the socket on that door ya can't open from outside then ya don't have to lift a single ice cube n walk around the door to ice factory you came in n walk in the second gate to skip the ice cube that is forever stuck under the bridge=lol how can ya pickup any ice if the crane hook is way outside the map detached from da crane=LOL

no need to restart da game just bug out the crane platform instead without picking up any ice cubes as a workaround=you can skip the ice stuck under the bridge use the crane platform to open the door on top of building near socket on bridge with ice cube stuck under it:)
this is before getting the upgrade that extends ya gun range too
i did each tower in this order 1st st andrews 2nd ice map last from sulfur mine map
game crashes alot until ya have all upgrades
this launch command makes it slightly more stable= -d3d11 -nohmd
it let me finish st andrews without it crashing fatal error vs shooting every single socket in that map=ouch
if get 1st upgrade from juelson game crashes heaps until ya get all upgrades then its bearable with way less crashes

pretty sure i jammed that crane at least 56 times but ya get there eventually=don't pickup any ice cubes at all n skip the bridge socket that has ice cube blocking the path under it as you can reach the door socket to skip that vs the back end of the crane platform extends almost all the way to the door socket then walk out the door ya came in n simply walk through the door ya opened from top of crane to get to coal furnace and heaters etc=LOL

wasn't fun swearing at fatal error crashes but eventually I finished Fatal Error oh i meant the Firmament cuz game crashed over 100 times vs shooting sockets all over the place but almost every socket in st andrews crashes the game n the rest not too bad just delay shooting sockets n it won't crash as much...

That ice cube was still under that bridge blocking that path next to crane without a hook on it and I still finished the game as rotary crane doesn't need a crane hook on it esp since the game decided to delete said crane hook=bahahaha and the irony=
the narrator worked fine from start to finish:)

Fatal Error oh i meant the Firmament was a good game other than a gazillion Fatal error crashes vs shooting sockets=st andrews a nightmare of fatal error crashes vs shooting sockets
bunker also up with no power in jueston too=ignore it
miraculously shooting sockets in the battery pool didn't crash the game=hooray

only save in one of those save slots when you progress to avoid soft locking da game vs all save slots n ya will reach the end...

only 1 thing crashes this game alot=
shooting sockets then ya finally reach the end of the game credits=
Thankyou for playing FATAL ERROR:)

don't ask for saves i finished it n uninstalled game after 1st and only playthrough
Last edited by A JANITOR; May 21, 2023 @ 9:04pm
Rose 🏳️‍🌈 May 21, 2023 @ 10:14pm 
Here are a few pics of the hook detached and stuck in the air :D:
https://ibb.co/tYFFGQk
https://ibb.co/vJpwd6p
https://ibb.co/gjVjmT8
joridiculous May 22, 2023 @ 12:19am 
Originally posted by The Grinch:
Originally posted by Rose:
I experienced this as well (GOG version, updated to the latest). At first the grabbing part of the crane got detached, but that was solved by loading a save. Then the crane got permanently stuck and none of the 6 controls on either end did anything. Using the teleport command did restore the crane to the original location (connected to the factory) and allowed it to move as normal again.

also impossible to pickup ice cube under bridge after using bridge controls= its impossible to get front or back of crane to line up with gate as fence block da crane from both sides of fence and the crane gets jammed vs fence collision then nothing works=teleport n bug platform on top of building then shoot door socket to skip the ice under the bridge=BINGO
To make that ice cube pick up easy. Align the RAMP side of the crane with the iceblocks you used to walk over on the way to the Arch.
Then just retract the ramp, lower the crane, spin it around and you're sort of right over the ice cube.
A JANITOR May 22, 2023 @ 1:29am 
To make that ice cube pick up easy=ERM CRANE HOOK WENT ON VACATION

Whatever joridiculous took I want some so my dyslexic brain that can barely type properly can fly away with the :2016butterfly:'s too cuz someone is off with the pixies or they should have gone to specsavers

lol that's if ya can even move the crane cuz it wont go past each side of that fence and gets stuck and locks up n ya teleport n it respawn even moar borked n if ya load a save it even worse after what was left of the grease in its failed bearings that set like JB Weld after being used for the 1st time in 100 years followed by whats left of the hydraulic lines freezing solid from the cold outside while ya dangle from a cage stuck in there forever= so rusty this place is it killed all of its keepers n your the last one trapped in a crane that has no hook on it admiring the view with no food or water while ya freeze to death let alone a blanket to keep warm while ya stuck up there without a spanner or an oil can let alone a ladder that you could drop down=yay fun....not

they should have given the player a sledge hammer to bash the controls to fix the crane as well of left plenty of dents in said crane control consoles with broken sockets hanging by its damaged half eaten wires as one missed opportunity to take a game breaking bug n give it some lore while everyone laughs it off until it gets fixed instead of complaining about it and to make said bug hilarious they should have left a really rusty Made in China sign fall off one of the control consoles when ya turn it on for the 1st time....

(serious missed opportunity vs a seriously buggy crane as they should have left quite a few ragdoll skeletons in those crane control cages so ya have to grab one of em to tear them off the controls after they died from trying to move a crane with no hook on it)
crane without a hook aint gonna pickup a block of ice either
i got the same issues Rose has

the solution is to skip the ice cube under the bridge as crane don't need no hook and ya don't have to pickup a single ice cube at all...
just shoot the door switch from the top of the crane (without the gun range upgrade) then ya barely even have to move said seriously broken crane and it being so rusty really fits the scene but ya stuck hanging in the air without an oil can let alone a crane hook that went for a walk way outside the map then drank red bull grew wings and flew away with an ice cube stuck in its claw that was also impossible to drop when once apona time there was a crane hook on ye olde crane xd:steamfacepalm:

FATAL ERROR oh i meant the FIRMAMENT was a good game but da bugs made it nowhere near as fun as it should have been and I couldn't care less about the silly VR reviews from the scrooge mc ducks that wear crazy rich 3d glasses either n despite the bugs if I bought this on steam then I would still give it a positive review even after it crashed over 100 times from shooting sockets that cause FATAL ERRORS lol n $45 AUD is a scary looking price tag to go with said crashes as what ya call a rip off with a busted rocket engine stuck on the launch pad

after that torture I wanna replay myst 3 original box set=
those 3 alternate endings get ya n its really hard to see the real ending of that mysterious place without a single FATAL ERROR and not once will it kick the :vcdbucket:

Cyan make cool stuff they will fix the jank eventually unless Microsoft bought em out then it be a train crash cuz Microsoft break everything they touch:critterbig:
Last edited by A JANITOR; May 22, 2023 @ 2:28am
Miral May 22, 2023 @ 2:26am 
Use Settings -> Teleport to Safe Place to reset the crane. Works every time.

Sometimes you can unstick the crane by going to the opposite cockpit and fiddling with the controls there, but not every time.

As for why the space is constrained, that's also part of the puzzle (otherwise there wouldn't be much point in the rear cockpit). But yeah, it shouldn't be possible to get it wedged so easily.

One thing that I noticed: if you pull the arm in as close as possible and then rotate the hook around to the left, when you get about halfway between the waterfall and the factory the crane arm will start shifting outwards again for no readily apparent reason. If you keep rotating left at this point it will guarantee it getting stuck. So stop, go over to the rear cockpit, and keep rotating from there, and it will make it all the way around without issues.
A JANITOR May 22, 2023 @ 2:43am 
Use Settings -> Teleport to Safe Place to reset the crane. Works every time

strait through 1 ear n out the other cuz there no such thing as a crane hook if ya do dat n
the shrooms are strong in this forum xd
have fun with ya game I finished it n uninstalled it cuz its too buggy
blame it on GOG for not putting Denuvo in it cuz imagine how wild that sentient crane would be with that :pooswirl: and the last thing DRM would do is not cause it to bug out even more before some clown cracks that in less 3 days anyway:steamfacepalm:

massive list of backers in the credits but I think I missed the list of game testers?
should have put a beta on alpha beta gamer lol n we wouldn't be here if said crane was part of said beta testing:cryptothink:

happy trails at least ya now know ya can skip that ice cube under the bridge and shoot a door socket from the top of a janky crane to gain access to the coal furnace and the heaters without picking up a single ice cube with the invisible crane hook that grew wings and flew to mars......

A good game sadly borked at launch:steamsad:

I thank god that none of my workshop maps crash n just look at my spelling=lol

as for that crane hook someone @ cyan forgot to tick the hard attach box in the actor settings to stop the crane hook from flying away somewhere never to be seen again=woops
they also forgot to add a trigger that disabled the ice cube from falling into the chute at the start that can tell if you are on top of said ice cube instead of bugging out that cutscene and jamming too much ice in the ice machine while ya stuck outside getting another block of ice to get stuck in the ice machine chute cuz ya can drop the ice without standing on it=double woops
Last edited by A JANITOR; May 22, 2023 @ 2:58am
fletcher1 May 22, 2023 @ 2:47am 
Disregarding the bugs with this crane, there's something practical to say about it: I'm aware this is a puzzle-game and the crane is designed to be a puzzle, but in reality nobody would build a crane like this: It's unefficient and expensive to build; the whole construction has to be lifted or lowered to manipulate the load on the hook/crab. So many (subsurface) telescoping pillars where each has to deal with common dirt on the guideway.
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