Low-End Hardware Performance?

[Spark☆]

I made this question in the discussions for the second collection but I guess it went by unnoticed or something. I just wanna make sure things will work fine before buying it.
So devs re-releasing games seem to have a trend of making them optimized for high-end computers... And completely ignoring weaker ones, leading to performance issues that didn't ever exist, even if that game DID have a prior PC port at some point.

My question is: Would that case apply here? Would all games run well on a Core i3 first gen laptop?

And no, I can't upgrade just yet. Before I get the inevitable "just buy a new PC mate".

[Crystaliss]

I can't say alot personally, since the first collection only runs at a consistent 70ish % speed for me atm...
But the first collection games don't use much RAM, I'd think you'd be quite safe with 2GB, not sure on the 2nd collection yet, but I'd assume you'd need more than 2GB RAM.
Also, my 2.8GHz 4-core CPU is ALWAYS being used for 38-42 in gameplay and peaks around 54 during the X4 animated scenes.
HDD data rate is very low from what I tested.
if you and were able to run X1-4, X5 and X6 will run just as X4 would, probably.

My Specs:
AMD Phenom II X4 910, 2.60 GHz 4 core processor
AMD Radeon XFX R5 230 GFX card, 2GB DDR3 VRAM
8GB DDR3 RAM
Win 7 X64
PS4 Controller (icons in-game are either xbox or snes)
Yeah, I don't know why it runs slow on this either, all my disagnostics and data say the program is running perfectly, nothing is being an obvious bottleneck...

[Spark☆]

Bleeeh. I probably should list my specs too.
Intel Core i3 M380 - 2.53GHz Quad-Core
Intel HD Graphics... Something. It's just that, no 3000 or 4000. I never got to figure out if it's a specific version or just... that. But it has 1723 MB of primary VRAM.
4GB DDR3 RAM
Win10 Home 64-bit/x64

I SHOULD have enough, no? But then again I have way more than the minimum for certain games (such as Warframe) and they still run like absolute crap. Which is why I'm so unsure about this.

[Crystaliss]

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Bleeeh. I probably should list my specs too.
Intel Core i3 M380 - 2.53GHz Quad-Core
Intel HD Graphics... Something. It's just that, no 3000 or 4000. I never got to figure out if it's a specific version or just... that. But it has 1723 MB of primary VRAM.
4GB DDR3 RAM
Win10 Home 64-bit/x64

I SHOULD have enough, no? But then again I have way more than the minimum for certain games (such as Warframe) and they still run like absolute crap. Which is why I'm so unsure about this.

Yeah, you SHOULD be fine...
I don't know if your CPU or RAM is gonna be good enough for X7 or X8, but for the rest, you SHOULD be fine...
Could always buy, try, and refund if they won't work. I'm kinda hoping capcom will put out a patch though, cause at this point, I don't think your odds are any better than mine were, and like I said, they run at a smooth and incredibly consistant, but slower than normal speed, and no hardware is near full capacity let alone half capacity...

Having said that, some people with far far beyond the reccomended specs are experiencing problems, so, it's not like your odds are terrible...

Also, I don't know about warframes listed specs (non-steam install), but before I upped my GFX card, I was able to "comfortably" run it at 50+ fps on not minimum settings, but I run stuff no higher than 1280/1024. Old graphics card only had like, 256MB VRAM and was not very powerful, but it survived 10 years.

[Spark☆]

Originally posted by Crystaliss:

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Bleeeh. I probably should list my specs too.
Intel Core i3 M380 - 2.53GHz Quad-Core
Intel HD Graphics... Something. It's just that, no 3000 or 4000. I never got to figure out if it's a specific version or just... that. But it has 1723 MB of primary VRAM.
4GB DDR3 RAM
Win10 Home 64-bit/x64

I SHOULD have enough, no? But then again I have way more than the minimum for certain games (such as Warframe) and they still run like absolute crap. Which is why I'm so unsure about this.

Yeah, you SHOULD be fine...
I don't know if your CPU or RAM is gonna be good enough for X7 or X8, but for the rest, you SHOULD be fine...
Could always buy, try, and refund if they won't work. I'm kinda hoping capcom will put out a patch though, cause at this point, I don't think your odds are any better than mine were, and like I said, they run at a smooth and incredibly consistant, but slower than normal speed, and no hardware is near full capacity let alone half capacity...

Having said that, some people with far far beyond the reccomended specs are experiencing problems, so, it's not like your odds are terrible...

Also, I don't know about warframes listed specs (non-steam install), but before I upped my GFX card, I was able to "comfortably" run it at 50+ fps on not minimum settings, but I run stuff no higher than 1280/1024. Old graphics card only had like, 256MB VRAM and was not very powerful, but it survived 10 years.

The funny thing is: From what I've seen so far, integrated GPU users have had the most luck with both collections. Being a HUGE Mega Man nerd I REALLY wanted to avoid having to refund. Another thing I've seen is people getting their framerates fixed by either changing to windowed fullscreen or by simply turning the HQ filter off.

But gosh do I wish this was old PC version X7 and X8 though. They ran at full speed on my desktop with like 128MB VRAM back in the day.

P.S: About Warframe, all of my graphic settings were set to low, yet I was still getting like... What, 2 FPS? I couldn't even move my mouse through the menus properly, it was terrible. I think the resolution was on 1280x720 or so.

[Crystaliss]

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

I've seen is people getting their framerates fixed by either changing to windowed fullscreen or by simply turning the HQ filter off.

Yeah, there are a few different problems (slowness, black screen/won't run, dropped/lagged inputs), and the community has found a few different solutions to those problems that work for some people.

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

HUGE Mega Man nerd I REALLY wanted to avoid having to refund.

Yeah, I know the feeling. X1-4 don't currently work very well for me, but I have no intention of refunding.
Too bad there's no demo, or even a way to "try before you buy".
>.>
<.<

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

P.S: About Warframe, all of my graphic settings were set to low, yet I was still getting like... What, 2 FPS? I couldn't even move my mouse through the menus properly, it was terrible. I think the resolution was on 1280x720 or so.

"[Two frames]... More than enough to kill anything that moves."
Well, after you've become a god anyway.
My old card was an ATI Radeon HD 4350, supported DX 10.1 and had 600 MHz and 256MB VRAM (online specs say it had 512MB, but mine did not have access to/use that much).
Admittedly I don't think my old card would do as well as it used to though, since I used that card, like, 2-4 months after Warframe went public. It's, maybe a little different now :3

[Leandro]

Messing around config.ini, Fullscreen On/OFF and etc, I'm getting around 50fps at best. It often locks up to 40fps, and the HUB Laucher screen barely makes up to 35fps.

During the gameplay, RAM usage is below 5% (the games are small), and GPU usage is below 80-90%. The framerate DROPS if I set for the high performance mode.

Can't blame the cards. I can play Bayonetta, Dark Souls 2 and Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition pretty fine.

Megaman X8 can't even make to 40fps.

There's something really messed up in the game programming.


Right now, I'm downloading the "Megaman X8 PC version demo" for benchmarking.



My SPECS:

I'm running it on a laptop.
i5-5200U 2.20GHz / 8gb ram
On "Energy Saving mode", it runs on Intel HD Graphics 5500 / 4gb ram.
On "Performance Mode", it runs on AMD Radeon R5 M330 / 2+4gb ram. (Runs worse)

[Crystaliss]

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

Messing around config.ini, Fullscreen On/OFF and etc, I'm getting around 50fps at best. It often locks up to 40fps, and the HUB Laucher screen barely makes up to 35fps.

Out of curiousity...
Do you see/hear a difference in game speed between 40-50fps?

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

There's something really messed up in the game programming.

Yeah, no doubt.

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

The framerate DROPS if I set for the high performance mode.

Wait, what?! How in the...
Do you overclock by chance?

[Leandro]

Originally posted by Crystaliss:

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

Messing around config.ini, Fullscreen On/OFF and etc, I'm getting around 50fps at best. It often locks up to 40fps, and the HUB Laucher screen barely makes up to 35fps.

Out of curiousity...
Do you see/hear a difference in game speed between 40-50fps?

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

There's something really messed up in the game programming.

Yeah, no doubt.

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

The framerate DROPS if I set for the high performance mode.

Wait, what?! How in the...
Do you overclock by chance?

I'm using the Steam overlay framerate tool. I can see the framerate on the corner of the screen.

At 50fps the game is still playable, feels slow, but playable But below 40, the feeling o slow-mo is too much. No sound bugs for me, though.

I did not overclock.


I'm using a HP low-grade gamer notebook, it have two GPUs. A energy saving one, and a high performance one.

The "energy saving" is a Intel HD Graphics 5500 with shared RAM, and the High Performance one is a AMD Radeon R5 M330, with has 2gb dedicated RAM, plus the 4gb shared. They are not top-notch cards, but I can play Bayonetta and DMC4 in low-res, but in full detail and 60fps no problem.


Thing is: The SNES games runs BETTER (55fps) on the energy saving setup (which is Intel HD Graphics), and runs at 30-40fps on the perfomance setup (Radeon).

This makes me believe the Collection has huge flaws in the graphics coding. It clearly isn't using the GPU properly. Both RAM and GPU are always below 100%.

There's is a bug in the gaming coding, sending wrong tasks to CPU/GPU, or hardcapping the frame-rate to low values.

[Spark☆]

Originally posted by Crystaliss:

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

I've seen is people getting their framerates fixed by either changing to windowed fullscreen or by simply turning the HQ filter off.

Yeah, there are a few different problems (slowness, black screen/won't run, dropped/lagged inputs), and the community has found a few different solutions to those problems that work for some people.

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

HUGE Mega Man nerd I REALLY wanted to avoid having to refund.

Yeah, I know the feeling. X1-4 don't currently work very well for me, but I have no intention of refunding.
Too bad there's no demo, or even a way to "try before you buy".
>.>
<.<

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

P.S: About Warframe, all of my graphic settings were set to low, yet I was still getting like... What, 2 FPS? I couldn't even move my mouse through the menus properly, it was terrible. I think the resolution was on 1280x720 or so.

"[Two frames]... More than enough to kill anything that moves."
Well, after you've become a god anyway.
My old card was an ATI Radeon HD 4350, supported DX 10.1 and had 600 MHz and 256MB VRAM (online specs say it had 512MB, but mine did not have access to/use that much).
Admittedly I don't think my old card would do as well as it used to though, since I used that card, like, 2-4 months after Warframe went public. It's, maybe a little different now :3

GOD would a Try Before you Buy option be perfect. I still find it weird how these super low end cards run games better than mine. Maybe it's related to my RAM? I heard integrated video cards use system RAM to work, so perhaps I just gotta reallocate it somehow? Like lower these 1723 MB to something else? Just curious if that's even a possible theory, cause I have issues with MANY games, including these that I SHOULDN'T HAVE issues with. (case in point and since it was mentioned earlier, Devil May Cry 4. Not the special edition, the original.)

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

Originally posted by Crystaliss:

Out of curiousity...
Do you see/hear a difference in game speed between 40-50fps?


Yeah, no doubt.

Wait, what?! How in the...
Do you overclock by chance?

I'm using the Steam overlay framerate tool. I can see the framerate on the corner of the screen.

At 50fps the game is still playable, feels slow, but playable But below 40, the feeling o slow-mo is too much. No sound bugs for me, though.

I did not overclock.


I'm using a HP low-grade gamer notebook, it have two GPUs. A energy saving one, and a high performance one.

The "energy saving" is a Intel HD Graphics 5500 with shared RAM, and the High Performance one is a AMD Radeon R5 M330, with has 2gb dedicated RAM, plus the 4gb shared. They are not top-notch cards, but I can play Bayonetta and DMC4 in low-res, but in full detail and 60fps no problem.


Thing is: The SNES games runs BETTER (55fps) on the energy saving setup (which is Intel HD Graphics), and runs at 30-40fps on the perfomance setup (Radeon).

This makes me believe the Collection has huge flaws in the graphics coding. It clearly isn't using the GPU properly. Both RAM and GPU are always below 100%.

There's is a bug in the gaming coding, sending wrong tasks to CPU/GPU, or hardcapping the frame-rate to low values.

Hmm. So what I said is confirmed? People ARE getting better performance on integrated Intel cards? That's... Weirdly reassuring. So you think I might be fine?

[Leandro]

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Hmm. So what I said is confirmed? People ARE getting better performance on integrated Intel cards? That's... Weirdly reassuring. So you think I might be fine?

I can't absolutelly confirm that.

I can only say that I (me, myself) had better results with the Integrated Intel Hd Graphics than with my AMD Radeon.

(That before I force-updated my Radeon driver. Now I can play X1 - X4 at 55fps on both GPU. Yay! )

BUUUUUUUUT!

Megaman X8 still runs half-speed (30fps) on both cards. No solution for that so far.
The Megaman X8 PC version runs smooth, tough.

I guess you should be fine on you Intel HD on the X1 to X4. But don't have high hopes for X7-X8.

[Spark☆]

Honestly I'm the kinda guy who really doesn't care about 60fps. If it runs at that, then sure, it looks pretty and all that, but I was always fine with 30. As long as I can actually play the game without slowdowns or stuttering then it's all good.

[Leandro]

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Honestly I'm the kinda guy who really doesn't care about 60fps. If it runs at that, then sure, it looks pretty and all that, but I was always fine with 30. As long as I can actually play the game without slowdowns or stuttering then it's all good.

That's precisely the problem. It WILL slow down.

One second in the game is 60 frames, no more, no less. If the game runs below 60fps, it will be in slow-motion.

It is not like modern games that can "frame skip", and keep the gameplay running smooth besides de frame rate.

[KaZudra]

Runs at half-speed everything on Intel Atom/ Intel HD (GPD WIN).

Mind you these games run perfect through other means.

[Spark☆]

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Honestly I'm the kinda guy who really doesn't care about 60fps. If it runs at that, then sure, it looks pretty and all that, but I was always fine with 30. As long as I can actually play the game without slowdowns or stuttering then it's all good.

That's precisely the problem. It WILL slow down.

One second in the game is 60 frames, no more, no less. If the game runs below 60fps, it will be in slow-motion.

It is not like modern games that can "frame skip", and keep the gameplay running smooth besides de frame rate.

Nah man, I'm talking about running games at 30fps. I've always done that and I was just fine with it. 60fps is great, of course, but I'll take what I can get.

Originally posted by Starchaser:

Runs at half-speed everything on Intel Atom/ Intel HD (GPD WIN).

Mind you these games run perfect through other means.

Well, I know my hardware is better than an Intel Atom so there's that.

[Crystaliss]

Originally posted by The Sparkstar Scope:

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

That's precisely the problem. It WILL slow down.

One second in the game is 60 frames, no more, no less. If the game runs below 60fps, it will be in slow-motion.

It is not like modern games that can "frame skip", and keep the gameplay running smooth besides de frame rate.

Nah man, I'm talking about running games at 30fps. I've always done that and I was just fine with it. 60fps is great, of course, but I'll take what I can get.

What was meant though, is that if the game is supposed to run at 60fps, and you run it at 30fps, you will also be running it at 50% SPEED.
Not just a framerate loss, but a speed loss as well.
Game speed = Your FPS / Intended FPS

Originally posted by lsalmagicoutinho:

At 50fps the game is still playable, feels slow, but playable But below 40, the feeling o slow-mo is too much. No sound bugs for me, though.

Originally posted by Glauber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=297&v=P1Q1lO46Uc8

I believe this user has the same problem I do.
They can (and do) change the settings, but nothing changes the framerate for them, which would seem to indicate that the FPS is being forced to a lower then intended amount, FORCING a constant slowdown.

This is an issue that only some people have, and none that have had it have fixed so far.
There is what seems to be a different and more common slowdown issue that people have fixed by changing screen mode to windowed fullscreen and disabling filters though.

I believe your hardware is better than lsalmagicoutinho's, so your odds of running X1-4 and X5-6 are decent. It just might not be quite 100%.
A little unsure on your graphics card, which shouldn't matter, but given what Isal said, totally does.