4K comparison of OG and S versions on PC.

[Khronikos]

For my comparison, OG first then S version at 44 brightness with Post Processing on 3. OG has SMAA injected and ini tweaks for draw distance, but they don't interfere much with any of the comparisons. I couldn't get Reshade to work on demo.

Ini tweaks on the S DO NOT match the original draw distance. You will see all kinds of things that pop in here and there, and there is simply no way you can get the S to look as good as the OG version.

Personally, I feel OG with post-processing on 1 instead of 3 is best and then brightness closer to 50. The post processing in this game is not well done, and it just tends to overbrighten everything. The game gets way too bright on 3 and looks odd with excessive bloom in cities and night settings. But this comparison is with the settings all on full.

Fastica's gif comparison: this best illustrates how much was changed.

GIF: https://ibb.co/x574d90

GIF: https://ibb.co/hWKYRvG

Photo comparison: https://imgur.com/a/3D8piY3

My observations:

Inconsistent lighting between the two. S version usually the harder hit, with lack of light pouring in on trees and grass. It looks a lot duller in places. But there seem to be places where there is a touch more shadow and lighting. There is a complete and utter lack of shadowing on places that you can see in fastica's comparison. Cliffs and things appear to be very poorly done in certain places, but mostly the same in others. It's really all over the place.

There is a stronger specular effect on water in the first cave. The last photo from the cave is an improvement on S due to different lighting. Water is okay on original, and blends a little more, but S seems more refined and epic looking with bigger FOV. It's not clear to me how water is changed in later areas though. Further comparisons are needed.

That's the best of it by far. It's mostly downhill from there. Fastica's photo comparison shows the clipping textures on rope in downtown, because the models don't actually support these textures. This goes for a lot of the models, which now look like PS3 models at best. The geometry levels are pathetic in places, and the shadows, lighting, and grass have all been decreased an entire gen.

Characters are hit HARD in the S version. Right off the bat you can see the stubby fingers and complete change of detail in the outfit. Awful IMO. Grass has been massacred. Shadows and grass do not move or follow from the global lighting properly. A HUGE issue that will most likely never be modded.

Performance on the other hand is now much better in the S version, but the downgrades also go for objects in houses and towns. You will see these differences everywhere, and it's only subtle to a fanboy. Sadly, my comparison only covers the first 20m. You really start to see the differences when you get around towns and other areas.

My comparison of first 20m:

Full detail character OG: https://ibb.co/WzJBVyp
Stub fingers and lesser detail S: https://ibb.co/SfFvkbQ

Rock OG: https://ibb.co/x8Sjmg6
Rock S: https://ibb.co/swmTqjP

Sunlit grass OG: https://ibb.co/Tc9617k
Shaded grass S: https://ibb.co/c3fFmvp

Full grass OG: https://ibb.co/9wt0hBx
Grass is nuked S: https://ibb.co/CsRmDFZ

Rock OG: https://ibb.co/KVmtJzP
Rock S: https://ibb.co/RvXKQRn

Cliffside OG: https://ibb.co/GxgcC13
Cliffside S: https://ibb.co/TbNxTrC

Normal hair OG: https://ibb.co/64J1cfd
Bad hair day different shadows S: https://ibb.co/xJ1srrf

Overlook OG: https://ibb.co/86Qrt2m
Overlook S: https://ibb.co/Fbw0xvD

Water in Cave OG, blends well, somewhat murky: https://ibb.co/1rmJJxg
Water in Cave S new effects: https://ibb.co/zJsSBDq

Sunlit tree cave OG: https://ibb.co/9c0vxyV
Toned down sun in cave S: https://ibb.co/mBrmJVF

Sun shining through OG: https://ibb.co/K5Z2HP2
Missing sun lighting S: https://ibb.co/cgvBBYG

Symbols in cave OG: https://ibb.co/HNRnhtf
Symbols in cave S: https://ibb.co/kD4mwy5

Fog boss OG: https://ibb.co/hgKySYX
Fog boss S: https://ibb.co/4VD081d

Dark water cave OG: https://ibb.co/qRbrs9T
Lit and lovely water cave S: https://ibb.co/r78znrC


While the Switch/S version has a few new features, it's really barely anything to write home about other than the QoL improvements or the 2D mode. The quest is arbitrary, but some of the QoL features are very nice. I feel the 2D is fairly basic looking with low-key animation. I've never needed to use a forge outside of a campfire. In fact, it makes it more difficult, which is the whole point for me on this very easy game.

I think people forget the orchestral mod has CD quality sound sources from a variety of past soundtracks too, making the tracks actually better quality and more creative than the S version, I enjoy the older tracks compared to the stuff they have for this game.

I will be continuing my save on the original at this point. The vanilla game is already too long from what I can read. What do you guys think about all the differences in graphics and sound on the demo?

[Khronikos]

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

So the one that has infinitely more content, quality of life improvements, and general quality is worse because.... less shiny?
Pc gamers never cease to amaze....

Literally what are you talking about lol? Are you people just daft? Infinitely more content? You mean a quest line? A ♥♥♥♥♥♥ soundtrack with low bitrate quality that an orchestral mod is already at least 2x the quality if not more with BETTER tracks from past games?

Some QoL improvements lol? Very few of them. A 2D mode with very little effort put into it?

For shiny lmao? You know this qbait is a Switch owner hahahaha.

Yeah, making a game look like a PS2 game with geometry and shadows and draw distance among other things is just OKAY guys. INFINITE CONTENT that amounts to a couple hours in a 100 hour game. LOL.

[Khronikos]

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

It's not infinitely more content though. The only two things I can think of that constitute extra play time would be 2D mode, or the extra character story segments, and the latter has some issues with pacing and reveal as far as the story goes.

It's basically a choice between a list of mostly fluff but some nice extras in a game that is already way more than complete (the extras are very after the fact and it shows), but this comes at the cost of a vastly downgraded graphical experience, or you can chose to forgo those extras for the better visuals. It's not "better visuals" in the sense of "the PC has better resolution, frame rate, and subtle extras" but the Switch version was scaled back notably compared to the original PlayStation 4 version.

Personally, I think it's a bit silly insinuating others are below oneself because what they prefer doesn't align with what one prefers. If people prefer the Switch version (I prefer PC since I don't care about the few nice features enough to trade off the entire base game looks) then I am okay with that. Here's the thing though; having to scale the game back for the Switch version was fine. They did a decent job with the hardware limitations. But this is a PC release, so there's no reason the Switch version should be ported to the PC (port of a port, haha) instead of properly carrying the features themselves to the already existing and original PC version. It is not only understandable for PC players to have preferred that to happen instead, but why Switch players are even concerning themselves with it is even more confusing.

The “infinitely” was applying to all 3, not just the content part. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
And even after all of that what I said remains true.
The old one, despite having way less features and content, remains “definitive” because the new one is less shiny.

Yes fool, it remains definitive in quotes, meaning there is no actual definitive version, because the entirety of its graphics and sound are two generations ahead of the other version.

CD quality sound. Check. Geometry, shadows, lighting, and image quality plus FPS all TWO generations ahead of the Switch version. Yeah, definitely definitive when it comes to just about everything that matters with VIDEO games.

You can also put controller response in there too, as 60FPS necessitates a vastly more responsive game.

[rad_knight]

Khronikos님이 먼저 게시:

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

So the one that has infinitely more content, quality of life improvements, and general quality is worse because.... less shiny?
Pc gamers never cease to amaze....

A)Literally what are you talking about *redacted*? Are you people just daft? Infinitely more content? You mean a quest line?
B)A ♥♥♥♥♥♥ soundtrack with low bitrate quality that an orchestral mod is already at least 2x the quality if not more with BETTER tracks from past games?

C)Some QoL improvements *redacted*? Very few of them. A 2D mode with very little effort put into it?

D)For shiny *redacted*? You know this qbait is a Switch owner *redacted*.

E)Yeah, making a game look like a PS2 game with geometry and shadows and draw distance among other

F)things is just OKAY guys.

G)INFINITE CONTENT that amounts to a couple hours in a 100 hour game. *redacted. What are you twelve? Stop making me cut these out.*.

A)I already addressed this.

B)both games have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ soundtrack.

C) The gameplay styles of both the PlayStation 4 and 3DS versions in one.
Spell of Restoration scenario selection.
Newly added party member dialogue.
Added [???].
Fully-voiced events.
Voice support for all party member dialogue.
Switch between voice languages (Gorgeous Edition-only).
Option to turn on / off sounds from the protagonist (exhaling, etc.)
Improved [???].
Voice Drama.
The timing at which you can visit Yocchi Village has changed.
The placement of Yocchi that possess passwords.
New “Appearance-Changing Equipment” added.
Madame Cherie.
Added [???].
Implemented horse racing remedial actions.
Furigana display.
Ability to skip cutscenes the first time around.
Camera improvements.
Photo Mode added.
Increased variation of ridable monsters.
Ability to attack ridable monsters on the field to earn experience points.
Switches to dedicated background music when riding a great sabrecat.
Party members follow you on the field.
Dash movement.
Ability to call horse at all times.
Obtain experience from blowing away monsters on the horse.
Shiny spots stand out more.
Immediately obtain materials upon examining gathering points.
Bowgun gameplay revised.
Added church Yocchi before the Lord of Shadows Mordegon.
Adjusted the placement of guest NPCs when camping.
Increased the tempo of party dialogue.
Added [???].
Added [???].
Added party member speech bubbles in battle.
In battle, party members move on their own according to the situation.
Adjusted battle speed.
Added ability to switch between free movement and auto camera mid-battle.
“Skill Reset” available from the beginning of the game.
“Learn Multiple Skills” available from the beginning of the game.
Forging can now be done anytime, anywhere.
Reverse lookup and purchase materials required for forging.
Made it easier to understand which items can be created with forging.
Display 2D-only monsters in the 3D bestiary.
Navigate the UI with the joystick.
Added shortcut menu.
Added guide for opening the map.
Added effective weapon type icons to the skill panel.
Display defeated monsters list in the map menu.
Display rarefied monsters on the defeated monsters list.
Display status ailments when switching out party members.
Improved the display of walking recovery effects.
Appearance-changing equipment is properly labeled.
Purchased materials automatically go into the item bag.
Revised soldier events in the Heliodor Sewers.
Partial improvements to 2D graphics.
Partial improvements to 2D event scenes.
Adjusted the 2D map at the start of the game.
Added “Smell” to replace Noah’s Archive.
Added ability to click through the message window as the level up melody is playing.
Partial quest adjustments.
(Source: https://www.gematsu.com/2019/06/dragon-quest-xi-s-list-of-additional-elements-and-improvements-dlc-voice-drama-and-more-detailed )
“Very few” huh?

D)and I can tell that you’re an elites snob who doesn’t care of a game is good and only if a game is shiny.

E)you have never owned nor seen a ps2 have you?

F)unless you’re an elitist graphics snob who only cares about how shiny a game is and not how good it is? Yah.

G)anyone with an age higher than last Tuesday could tell you that’s not what I said.

[rad_knight]

Khronikos님이 먼저 게시:

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

The “infinitely” was applying to all 3, not just the content part. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
And even after all of that what I said remains true.
The old one, despite having way less features and content, remains “definitive” because the new one is less shiny.

A)Yes fool, it remains definitive in quotes, meaning there is no actual definitive version, because the entirety of its graphics and sound are two generations ahead of the other version.

B)CD quality sound. Check.

C)Geometry, shadows, lighting, and image quality plus FPS all TWO generations ahead of the Switch version.

D)Yeah, definitely definitive when it comes to just about everything that matters with VIDEO games.

E1&2)You can also put controller response in there too, as 60FPS necessitates a vastly more responsive game.

A)it remains definitive in quotes because I’m mocking the people saying the old one is definitive.

B)are we listing problems with both games now?

C)I don’t think you know what generation the switch hardware is on par with. Actually I don’t think that, I know that.

D)if the only things that are important are how the game looks then here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFZqdkyHSRM
Actually never mind, there are games that look better than this one, gimme a sec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNutWJ7Xw2Q
There.

E1)unless it’s something like a fighting game, no it isn’t.
E2)ITS TURN BASED.

[rad_knight]

Khronikos님이 먼저 게시:

anyone with an age higher than last Tuesday could tell you that’s not what I said.

A)Yeah, everything you listed there is entirely minor. Like a minor patch you make for a game after it has been complete and out for a year or two.

B)Nothing you listed is even remotely worth making the game look like a PS2 game. I have owned every Sony console ever put out. There is literally no argument that geometry is literally on PS2 levels in the Switch version. You can count the polygonal edges on a many things lol.

C)Never mind the lack of lighting, the low quality sound bit rate, and the lack of tracks. The orchestral mod is absolutely great. It's not the same at all,

D)and it's very obvious that YOU have never actually seen the PC version running at 60FPS and full settings.

E)You clearly have not played BOTH versions, and wait for it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I HAVE PLAYED BOTH VERSIONS.

F)60 FPS vs 30 FPS ALONE is enough to completely negate ALL OF THOSE SMALL QoL improvements. PERIOD.

A)so is how shiny the game looks. At least to normal people.

B)like I said, I don’t think you’ve even seen a ps2 in your life.

C)if it’s easy enough to write off like that then just ignore it and play the better version.

D)I have seen it. I didn’t care.

E)I haven’t played the pc version you’re correct. Because I wasn’t gonna spend 60 dollars for a game with less to do for no reason other than “moar shiny”

F)it’s turn based. There are no frame perfect inputs. The only reason you’d want one over the other is if you’re a frame rate snob.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Akira Toriyamas world isnt about realism. But HD textures is making an anime world coming alive, like a pixar movie. You do get that right?

[rad_knight]

Khronikos님이 먼저 게시:

A)Nobody is quoting your qbait posts anymore.

B)Nobody cares.

C)Play your crappy Switch game on your Nintendo handheld weeb.

D)Be happy with mediocrity.

E)This is fully 3D open world game with massive amounts of camera movement.

F)You sound like you haven't even played the Switch version on a TV *redacted*.

G)Look at this ignorant fool.

H)He's getting youtube vids because he has never actually played the PC version.

I)And now he's posting RDR2 vids for no apparent reason *redacted, this isn’t instagram these mean nothing*

J)The age old excuse that 60FPS doesn't matter unless it's a fighting game.

K) *redacted*

L)This has been debunked time and time again.

M)30FPS judder is for peasants.

N)It literally kills all immersion and my eyes. Fighting games are the least of anyone's worries.

O)3D camera movement and maximum judders are literally the reason YOU NEED 120FPS in VR *redacted, again.*. It has nothing to do with fighting games, though, they too require it for reaction time.

P)It has everything to do with an actual smooth experience that doesn't make me vomit on a large TV.

A)okay.

B)then why are you responding?

C)that word does not mean you think it means pal.

D)considering the version of the game I have is better in every meaningful way? Yah that won’t be hard.

E)point being?

F)I haven’t. The switch is this thing called portable so I don’t need to.

G)I can get you a mirror if you want to.

H)yah I haven’t. I told you that. But you only care about how the game looks so why would you even buy a game if the way it plays means nothing to you?

I)well if you only care about graphics then this game clearly isn’t the game for you.

J)I didn’t say it doesn’t matter, I said it isn’t needed.

K)are you twelve or did you just stop maturing at that age?

L)then you should have no trouble winning this argument.

M)Is that supposed to be an insult or are you just propping up your ego with how shiny your video games are since you don’t have any actual accomplishments to fulfill your narcissism?

N)but a dictionary, you seem to not know what a lot of words actually mean,

O)this isn’t vr. I’m not even gonna humor this on more.

P)if you get physically sick looking at anything lower than the highest graphics humanity possible then you either must be very very new to video games or have a very serious case of “stuck up” disease.

[rad_knight]

NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡님이 먼저 게시:

Akira Toriyamas world isnt about realism. But HD textures is making an anime world coming alive, like a pixar movie. You do get that right?

Yah, I was just making them.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

my point is, DQXI was a very beautiful jrpg and made Toriyamas world come alive, if they lower the graphics to a ps3 level of lets say ni no kuni, it doesnt make the graphic ugly but it losses its awe to many.

[rad_knight]

NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡님이 먼저 게시:

my point is, DQXI was a very beautiful jrpg and made Toriyamas world come alive, if they lower the graphics to a ps3 level of lets say ni no kuni, it doesnt make the graphic ugly but it losses its awe to many.

I do get that, but passing up on a substantial upgrade to the game just because it isn’t AS good looking just seems ridiculous to me. I played the entire game on the switch, mostly in handheld mode, and the game still looked good.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡님이 먼저 게시:

my point is, DQXI was a very beautiful jrpg and made Toriyamas world come alive, if they lower the graphics to a ps3 level of lets say ni no kuni, it doesnt make the graphic ugly but it losses its awe to many.

I do get that, but passing up on a substantial upgrade to the game just because it isn’t AS good looking just seems ridiculous to me. I played the entire game on the switch, mostly in handheld mode, and the game still looked good.

I understand all these nice things you mentioned, but for me they are not fixing a problem, but making things better for ex how to craft easier with items telling you what they are for, craft anywhere,adding costumes, more detailed monster info etc

so beside that, I will have to play 40 hours to reach act 2, for new story content basically. its a hard sell for 40 euro , well atleast for me. who 100% regular DQ 11.

obs! I never said S version is bad I will pick it up for my collection its just a real shame how they could have made this S version a true DE...

I mean, they could have even made a costume unique for STEAM or XBOX, something atleast SOMETHING.

[rad_knight]

NGNS-SWE ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡님이 먼저 게시:

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

I do get that, but passing up on a substantial upgrade to the game just because it isn’t AS good looking just seems ridiculous to me. I played the entire game on the switch, mostly in handheld mode, and the game still looked good.

I understand all these nice things you mentioned, but for me they are not fixing a problem, but making things better for ex how to craft easier with items telling you what they are for, craft anywhere,adding costumes, more detailed monster info etc

so beside that, I will have to play 40 hours to reach act 2, for new story content basically. its a hard sell for 40 euro , well atleast for me. who 100% regular DQ 11.

Yah I can definitely see not wanting to buy the game again when you played the original to death (I passed on darksiders 2 deathinitive at first for the same reason) but the graphics being the reason to pass just seems odd to me.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

I def cant go back to 30 fps after playing DQ XI at 60+ fps. And btw, I started with NES at kindergarten, I own every DQ from 1 to 11 - im not some graphic obsessed pc gamer.

However, if you only own a switch, I would 100% recommend DQXI S even if 30 fps.
The game is a classic, a fantastic must have JRPG that celebrated DQ in a beautiful way- especially the ending - which beats even the classic Zeldas in goosebumps - (beside using old school DQ music here and there) It´s a 100 hour beast of an adventure with some great characters and a fantastic twist here and there.

Now the real question is; regular or S version on STEAM.
I wanna see S version here on STEAM before I judge it.
Maybe at 1080p and 60 fps it actually looks good, who knows.

ps! if you own vanilla/original - you are insane not to play it RIGHT NOW.

the side stories in S isnt from the POV of the luminary anyway, PLAY IT DAMMIT! its one of the greatest jrpgs and feel like it was made before JRPGS became crap. Someone said DQ XI felt like a 90´s jrpgs, I agree, 100% agree, so put on draconia hard mode on, and enjoy a real classic JRPG experience.

[rad_knight]

Khronikos님이 먼저 게시:

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

I do get that, but passing up on a substantial upgrade to the game just because it isn’t AS good looking just seems ridiculous to me. I played the entire game on the switch, mostly in handheld mode, and the game still looked good.

A)It looked good on your tiny screen. Most of us here on the STEAM forum qbait are playing on 40 and larger TVs. As someone who had a Switch directly connected to my TV, it looks absolutely terrible.

B)30FPS is not just for input. It literally reduces JUDDER because 30FPS cannot contain the judder when panning the camera, which you do all the time in this game. You are literally talking about massive input lag AND intense camera judder on a large TV.

C)I have owned every Sony console ever put out. No amount of you wishing this away will make it not true.

D)Passing up a substantial upgrade for an even more substantial downgrade in all the areas anybody actually cares about on Steam... yeah no thanks bud. 30FPS is for peasants who are ignorant of everything outside their shallow realm.

E)60FPS and more is the future of games. 60FPS has been a STANDARD in games for literally decades. Hell, NINTENDO itself is one of the biggest supporters of 60FPS in games, so your illogical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here is even more preposterous.

F)This is not some game where you stand still and watch a screen. You are constantly moving and panning cameras in this game. And that means 60FPS is absolutely needed.

G)Nobody cares about your peasantry or ignorance.

H)You se fallacy to reduce the massive downgrades to the word "shiny" like some MSM shill on CNN. Just SHINY guys.

I)Yeah, you are an idiot confirmed here.

J)It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy mode turn based game where you are not even still when you fight.

K)Shiny matters here because it brings the world alive with immersion, the whole point of games like this.

L)The ART is the most important thing in this game.

M)PERIOD.

N)And the art has been crucified on Switch.

Something tells me I’m about break a record.

A)then why do you own one mr “the only things that matter in a game are how it looks”?

B)I experienced neither of those things in my 2 play throughs on switch.

C)damn I feel sorry for you, since apparently anything less than 4K and infinite frames per second makes you physically sick.

D)it’s a game. Not a movie. I’m not even gonna humor the rest of this paragraph. Unless you’re mental the way a game looks is the least important part.

E)keep telling yourself that.

F)see above.

G)you’ve said that twice and yet keep responding. I’m not telling you to stop, I love laughing at people’s insanity, but still. If no one cares why do you keep doing this?

H)yah. I’m using a less glorifying term to describe something I have no respect for because it’s increadibly I important. The only thing this one has that the other doesn’t is “moar shiny”

I)for an insult to be insulting I first have to care about your opinion, so don’t waste your time typing them.

J)news to me, in every single battle I played there was a fixed camera and none of my party members moved outside of attacks. But okay, I guess I can pretend you’re right.

K)if you think the only thing that makes a game immersive is how good it looks then clearly you should be watching movies, not playing games.

L)yah, ♥♥♥♥ characters, gameplay, setting, writing, story, and conflict. MOAR SHINY.
I was wrong, you shouldn’t be watching movies either. You should be looking at paintings.

M)CAPITAL LETTERS

N)in terms of shiny? Yah, the game doesn’t look as good. But for anyone who’s not a graphics snob it still looks good.

Damn, not quite the record.

[Khronikos]

rad_knight님이 먼저 게시:

Damn, not quite the record.

That you spent so long on such a random post filled with BS is hilarious.

Fallacy is used quite a bit in here, so we'll do so as well, and you really have a hard time comprehending things. How could you not though when the only way you have actually seen the PC version is on youtube. You Steam wannabes are hilarious.

It's extremely obvious you are another jealous Josie that runs a potato PC. You barely play on Steam, and for sure you are on a potato PC that cannot even run DQ11 at the highest settings and tweaks. Why would you care about graphics? You can't have them anyway.

Whatever you can't have, whatever you can't experience, is obviously worse and not as good as what you have. You kids are all the same.

Your responses are either pointless or non-existent. You just hand wave everything away that doesn't suit your ignorance.

Meanwhile, I have played on both systems. I can make those actual direct comparisons.

Battles have animations. Animation looks superb at 60FPS. You are not static in battle. And battle is not even half this game lol. Most of it is... wait for it... running around a completely 3D open world panning the camera in all directions. You know, the exact thing that makes 60FPS that much more apparent to anybody with a brain.

There is a reason Mario and all Nintendo first party games aim for 60FPS whenever possible. Nintendo has long understood the importance.