DRAGON QUEST® XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age™

DRAGON QUEST® XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age™

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Nimarus Sep 16, 2018 @ 6:23pm
*Spoilers* True Ending Breakdown
If you haven't finished the True Ending, you may want to turn away now. You've been warned.

I'm mostly posting this because I've played Dragon Quest sense I was a small child. Dragon Quest 4 (Well, Dragon Warrior 4 for me) being the one I loved the most as a kid.

So, we get to see the Yggdragon (guessing that's the right name) speaking to the playable character, Veronica, and Serena. They are warned that the darkness can never truely be destoryed and that it shall likely return one day. The Yggdragon even warns that she herself may one day succumb to the night.

After Serenica reunites with Edrick and the credits roll, we see a scene of a woman reading a book. Apparently reading about the exploits of Dragon Quest 11. She walks upstairs to wake a child who looks like a young Erdrick...hmmm

https://youtu.be/tqkQfT8tZ3w?t=7m31s

Starting this video at 7 minutes and 31 seconds, we see some of the intro to Dragon Quest 3. All sources I can find show this to be the earliest of the Edrick trilogy (Dragon Quest/Warrior 3, 1, then 2 in chronological order for timeline). The woman in the cutscene (DQ11) appears to be a recreation of that moment in Dragon Quest 3. Cloths are identical in color and pattern. Hair is blackish-purple as well.

I'd have to guess that the two books on her bookshelf with the Luminary Symbols would be Edrick's exploits in the first book (The green one) and then the playable character in DQ11 in the dark red book she places on the shelf. When she closes the second book, it shows a drawing of the DQ11 party looking up at Yggdrasil.

So, it would seem that Dragon Quest 11 had a little Easter Egg that suggested that DQ11 is a prequel to possibly the entire series...or at least Dragon Quest 3. Honestly, I don't know if it's even possible to create a timeline connecting all of the Dragon Quest games or not. I have heard that Dragon Quest 3, 1, and 2 are the "Erdrick Trilogy" while 4, 5, and 6 are the "Zenithian Trilogy." Or so some fans have labeled them.


Any additional thoughts on the subject?
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spoonygundam Sep 16, 2018 @ 7:55pm 
Yes, that's definitely the DQIII opening. Also, the knight that picks up the sword of light right before the credits roll is the DQI hero.

Your predecessor in DQXI is ErdWIN though, not Erdrick. You're Erdrick, and the title is later given to the DQIII hero too.
Nimarus Sep 16, 2018 @ 8:02pm 
Originally posted by spoonygundam:
Yes, that's definitely the DQIII opening. Also, the knight that picks up the sword of light right before the credits roll is the DQI hero.

Your predecessor in DQXI is ErdWIN though, not Erdrick. You're Erdrick, and the title is later given to the DQIII hero too.

Right, kept making that same name mistake earlier.
Nimarus Sep 16, 2018 @ 8:17pm 
I kind of want to dust off my old NES console. Still have Dragon Warrior 1 for it (Renamed when ported to America. I believe it was copyright reasons or something).
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Town Greeter NPC Sep 18, 2018 @ 1:12am 
If I put on my theory hat...


Erdrea is an ancient form of the world of Alefgard/Lorasia, or DQ1+2. Zoma of DQ3 shows up some time after DQ11 and somehow Yggdragon is put out of the picture. The fissure between Alefgard and the Earth-like world of DQ3 forms, and this serves the purposes of both Zoma (who wants to extend his reach) and the goddess Rubiss (who isn't getting any help in Alefgard).

After Ortega's son comes along and saves the day (and is given the title of Erdrick/Roto), the fissure is closed up and the two worlds lose all connection. In time, the fallen Yggdragon becomes the king dragon of DQ1. Descendent of DQ3 Erdrick (not the same bloodline as DQ11 Erdrick) saves the day, and gets to making babies around the world.

DQ2 shows up and there's a world tree again (on a very small island).

The two big extra pieces are the sphere/orb of light and the dragon queen of the Earthlike world that gave it to Ortega's son. The dragon queen gave her orb of light to the hero and then died. Two things happen:

1) The orb goes to Alefgard and becomes the light of that world long enough for it to be stolen in DQ1 and return the world to darkness. After the king dragon/Yggdragon is defeated in DQ1, the orb is returned to Tantegel/Radutorm, but isn't still around in DQ2 -- where a world tree has reappeared and may be the new source of light.

2) Dead ol' dragon queen left behind an egg in the Earthlike world. Its hatching heralded the birth of a new world, and kicks off the Zenithian universe. It doesn't mean the world of DQ3 is the world of DQ4-6 -- but that the world of DQ4-6 was created by a dragon born in the DQ3 world. The world of DQ3 loses its dragon and gradually becomes a very boring place with cafes and fast food and internet comments. Lamia foresees tedious arguments about grammar and ditches in a hurry for the world of DQ8 where
there may be demons but at least there aren't Tide or cinnamon challenges.
Khryst Sep 18, 2018 @ 6:24am 
To address point 1, The Yggdragon is female and could very easily be the Dragon Queen from dq3 and the orb was the "heart of Yggdrasil" we see in dq11, Which the hero of 3 would need as he's not a Luminary and just a "hero", which of course his line stays heroes which according to the yggdragon of 11 are inspired by the Luminary of 11.

far as I'm aware there wasn't really any connection other then players attempting to make them for the worlds of 4-9 to the world of 1-3 and now 11. They may exist in the same universe kinda thing but not neccessarily directly connected coming from what Empyrea tells the party and player in 8.

General themes of course are shared across the games but that's what makes DQ, well DQ, they don't really change and you know what to expect when you get one. The details of the story themeselves may be different but the concepts aren't.

If anything 11 is basically a return to the world of erdrick that the series started with and hasn't touched since 3 simply due to it kind of running it's course, 3 was the prequel then 1 then 2 finished it, with 11 being an even further prequel to 3, we have no idea how much time has passed between them (from the end of 11 to the beginning of 3) only that it's long enough for other "heroes" to rise up be inspired by the legend of the luminary and become heroes themselves.


Unless due to the scenes at the very end there's some kind of wonky parralel timeline stuff going on.
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I think when Serenica and Erdwin found each other they created a new timeline, both btw had luminary powers when they joined hands.
Remember how everyone have deja vu in the world about the previous timeline?
Its like they fused together and created a new timeline foreveryone.
Or else, lets be honest, it would be pretty horrible to abandon everyone back in the first timeline- not changing anything, while the hero just moves to a new timeline in which everything he wants is given to him, no I think the deja vu on everyone is to let the player know: this is a fused timeline in which everyone in the world is in now. Dont worry you didnt abandon anyone in the old world- this is the old and new world.

I also suspect Ortega in this new timeline actually was Erdwin.
And Serenica was the purple hair mother. Why else have the mother with purple hair, just after a cutscene with serenica, with purple hair? And their son with black spikey hair, just after we see Erdwin with black spikey hair?

Nah I think they created a new timeline in which just before Erdwin get betrayed and stabbed, they get away from the world: thus the sword of light, Calmos,Mordecan etc is still left in that world while they moved to a new -mainly DQ3. This also means I think Erdwin dies AGAIN in DQ 3 but this time he has left the world a son that can take up the sword, so he hasnt really "died".

Btw I almost forgot, the purple haired woman put on the shelf 1 out of 2 books about the luminary.
Well, who would know the adventure better than Serenica herself?
She took part in the first luminary trial, and knows about the second as well.
I cant come up with anyone else who could in detail write down the whole adventure beside her.
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Khryst Sep 18, 2018 @ 10:56am 
I think that too which is why i mentioned the whole timeline thing. How it actually ties in is what i'm not sure of, since we're shown the tale of 11 being the inspiration for the DQ1 hero (that's the swordsman we see standing on the cliff) who we know is the descendant of the DQ3 hero (that is the "child" we see in the bed).

I don't think Ortega is Erdwin though, perhaps a descendant or not even related and just someone like Irwin (the father of 11) a good fighter/swordsman that is a hero. It's possible the mother is a descendant, but again unlikely the mother had purple hair and the same outfit in 3 and with the exception of her reading the book thing it's also an updated version of 3 (which actually makes me wish we'd get a modern remake of 1-3)

As for the black spikey hair, again nah the artwork of toriyama and the heroes of 1-3 all had that look, one could actually say Erdwin was given that look BECAUSE that's typically how the hero is protrayed in DQ. Even 8 had that his was just "held down" by his bandana. Think Goku/Gohan of Dragon ball and you'd pretty much have the "look" of the typical MC of DQ series.

Serenica wouldn't really know of the journey of 11, she was the timekeeper for most of it, the person who would know is of course the Seer, but with what happens he's not around to "write the story", so realisticaly it's probably along the lines of our own myths and legends that someone gets around to writing the story and it gets passed on through the books, and may or may not be entirely accurate. Chances are the "book about 11" doesn't include the rewinding of time as the timeline that would come from the book wouldn't neccessarily know about it. Much like how in 11 the world didn't know the truth about Erdwin's death or Erdwin's Latern and just went off the idea that it was Erdwin who put it there, when in reality it was Serenica and it wasn't Erdwin "watching over the world" but was the body of Calasmos sealed away.
spoonygundam Sep 18, 2018 @ 4:41pm 
In Japanese, the DQIII hero and DQXI luminary both use the exact same word for their class. Saying the DQIII hero is "just" a hero is inaccurate, since they're clearly intended to be the same thing. DQXI has much more involved storytelling, but the hero in DQIII is still determined by lineage, is still known by everyone to be a hero long before you do anything remotely heroic, and is still prophecized to do battle with and defeat evil.

Even if losing his luminary powers actually stuck this time for some reason, it doesn't really matter. It's hereditary, and it only manifests when needed.
ElectroRanger Sep 26, 2018 @ 8:36am 
So yeah, 11 is basically a "restart" or "remake" of the series right? The entire lineage begins again is what this ending implies.

Either that or my brain still is melting from all the nostalgia I have to playing the entire DQ series a year ago.
Originally posted by AlloyForce:
So yeah, 11 is basically a "restart" or "remake" of the series right? The entire lineage begins again is what this ending implies.

Either that or my brain still is melting from all the nostalgia I have to playing the entire DQ series a year ago.

I think it was more simple put: they celebrated 30 year anniversary and wanted newcomers to play the old games, so they added it - the old games- (for the japanese audience as a DLC code for ps4) but how will you make young people play through old games, even if updated with android graphics?
you tie DQ 11 into with DQ 3 which is a prequal to DQ 1 and 2. Genius!

Now if that was Serenica, in a new timeline, the story is still basically going, but thrugh her new family and ancestors.

thats why I still think it was her, in a new timeline.
And this time they, serenica and erdwin, got what they wanted- a new world, and this time they got their "happy ending" which was a family in it.

I dont buy into showing serenica and erdwin holding hands, and just adding a DQ 3 intro for no real reasons, with a purple haired woman and black spikey haired boy reading about two 2 luminary books- as what? just hearing about some legend from another world?! why would that change anything? that would be one of the worst ties into dq 3 ever, if that was true. they might as well just scrap the cutscene all together then. pointless. and as well the serenica and erdwin scene.
I still say it (the books) was about her husbands adventure and the hero (from DQ 11) who saved her.
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sleepygaymer Sep 26, 2018 @ 4:36pm 
The post credit scene is the start of Dragon Quest 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airuF-EuSdw&t=1m55s


Enclave Sep 28, 2018 @ 1:30am 
Originally posted by spoonygundam:
In Japanese, the DQIII hero and DQXI luminary both use the exact same word for their class. Saying the DQIII hero is "just" a hero is inaccurate, since they're clearly intended to be the same thing. DQXI has much more involved storytelling, but the hero in DQIII is still determined by lineage, is still known by everyone to be a hero long before you do anything remotely heroic, and is still prophecized to do battle with and defeat evil.

Even if losing his luminary powers actually stuck this time for some reason, it doesn't really matter. It's hereditary, and it only manifests when needed.

The Hero of Dragon Quest III almost certainly is the Luminary of that era even if he's no longer called that. Also as you suggest, it's incredibly unlikely that the Luminary actually lost the power of the Luminary when he gave it to Serenica. She likely only has it temporarily and even while she has it? The Luminary likely still has it himself, the game made very clear that the power is a part of him and it cannot be taken, it likely similarly cannot be discarded.
EliteOne Oct 7, 2018 @ 10:10am 
I think you're spot on for the first synopsis - the true ending of Dragon Quest 11 is a prequel to the first DQ trilogy , 1, 2 and 3. It kinda spells that one out.

What I think is less obvious, is the other timelines that were created potentially lead to the other trilogies. The first timeline, you defeat Mordegon and everyone still alive lives happily ever after.

When the Luminary goes back in time, that timeline still continues, but without the Luminary and without Veronica, and with Erdwins lantern destroyed. Serenica, likely, never recovers.

Then, you have the timeline where Serenica is given the Sword of Light and returns to Erdwin and appears to have saved his life - so do they defeat Mordegon and Calasmos? That also starts a very different chain of events.

There's not enough info to go on of course, but I think you could argue that DQ11 can be the catalyst for all of the DQ trilogies.
shadow695 Oct 7, 2018 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by EliteOne:
I think you're spot on for the first synopsis - the true ending of Dragon Quest 11 is a prequel to the first DQ trilogy , 1, 2 and 3. It kinda spells that one out.

What I think is less obvious, is the other timelines that were created potentially lead to the other trilogies. The first timeline, you defeat Mordegon and everyone still alive lives happily ever after.

When the Luminary goes back in time, that timeline still continues, but without the Luminary and without Veronica, and with Erdwins lantern destroyed. Serenica, likely, never recovers.

Then, you have the timeline where Serenica is given the Sword of Light and returns to Erdwin and appears to have saved his life - so do they defeat Mordegon and Calasmos? That also starts a very different chain of events.

There's not enough info to go on of course, but I think you could argue that DQ11 can be the catalyst for all of the DQ trilogies.


After seeing the true ending a couple days ago, I came up with the pretty much the same theory.

In the first timline, there is no more Luminary and there is no more sword of light. I think this timeline leads to the events of DQ VII, DQ VIII and DQ IX.

In the third timeline, everything plays out differently because Serenica went back in time to save Erdwin. I think this timeline goes through the Zenthinian Trilogy. Yddragon becomes the master over Zenthenia and the sword of light becomes the Zenthenian Sword and the Luminary is called the Chosen One.

Yeah, there is no real evidence to say this is true. Though there had to be a reason why the writers went out of the way to write in the timelines especially the 3rd one.
TazerBoy Oct 15, 2018 @ 12:24pm 
I think the game is a complete re-imagining, remake of 3...because at the end they show the hero wearing Erdrick's armor from DQ1. Which is cold because he gets married and then goes off and find Gwealin. Everything is different that the 3rd game but the general outline that it was a re-imaging is there. Collecting the orbs, get party members gear... and then they just cut to him with the classing horned helm.
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