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Nima92 Oct 7, 2018 @ 1:23am
Jade post game plothole
Why does jade get revamp back if she never gets turned into a monster in this timeline
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Originally posted by Netatsake:
Originally posted by Tenshi:
Originally posted by Netatsake:
No unfortunately, you are wrong in this particular instance. ReVamp was a gift gained from a trial that she never would have undergone in the main timeline. ReVamp would be impossible for her to make use of if in a timeline where she was never cursed into a human-to-monster transitional state. The only two ways I could see it making sense for her to obtain it is if the game had explained it as 'granting access to the abilities of yourself across all timelines' or if ReVamp was supposed to just be a manifestation of Jade's anger and hatred. But since it is expressed as a monster form in the game, that last one is unlikely.
Ok brain dead. All the characters have special dialogue saying they remember something that hadn't happen (traces of the other time line), so if they have those memories within them, why woudn't they have their powers too? That's exactly what that dude does, he just re-awakens the powers that the party already had inside them after the time lines merged together.
The second you open a post in an intelligent argument with an insult, you automatically discredit yourself. Secondly, you can remember how to use a genetic mutation all you'd like, but if you no longer have the genetic mutation, you're not gonna be able to actually use it. That's like remembering how to fly, but not having wings anymore, or remembering how to fap, but not having arms. What that event did was bring back memories and experiences - in Jade's case in particular, that would also have had to bring back a physical change in state, which considering they state it as 'unlocking potential,' that's basically saying that it would unlock skills that they could have obtained through natural training. ReVamp can't be gotten through natural training - that was only obtained through the interference of a monster, both on Jade's psychology and on her biology. And to answer your point about 'leveling up' in a different post, 'leveling up' is a mechanical way for games to express real-world combat experience. As you fight, you learn new ways to fight, you become stronger, you refine your personal style more and more. You experiment and create new skills. You do research and come up with even more skills. Leveling is just a poor representation of that.
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Tenshi Oct 7, 2018 @ 1:38am 
do you even pay attention to the game? All the characters remember the powers they had in the first timeline, that's how they get their levels back too.
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Prometheus Oct 7, 2018 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by Tenshi:
do you even pay attention to the game? All the characters remember the powers they had in the first timeline, that's how they get their levels back too.
Do you even pay attention to the game? The elder watcher gives them power and never explains how or why. We can just assume he is summoning their strength from the other timeline.
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solthusx Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:27am 
Its left vague enough that you can interpret it however you want. I like to think its them being granted the power they had in the original timeline (or would have had if certain events hadn't happened in Veronica and Serena's case)
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RoyalAlchemist Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:55am 
Originally posted by Promethian:
Originally posted by Tenshi:
do you even pay attention to the game? All the characters remember the powers they had in the first timeline, that's how they get their levels back too.
Do you even pay attention to the game? The elder watcher gives them power and never explains how or why. We can just assume he is summoning their strength from the other timeline.

Doesn't he mention, much like th great namek from DBZ. That he was unlocking their latent powers? Then just .. did it? Seems rather straight forward for Akira Toriyama.
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Lusus Symphonia Oct 7, 2018 @ 4:25am 
The kind of people who try to make sense of an animu game.
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dannyaic Oct 7, 2018 @ 5:40am 
Also, if I remember correctly the watchers can see over all of time, therefore they can give those powers back
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Netatsake Oct 7, 2018 @ 7:40am 
Originally posted by dannyaic:
Also, if I remember correctly the watchers can see over all of time, therefore they can give those powers back
Pretty sure the Watchers can't see across timelines, though I would imagine that their adherance to the old ways of worshipping Yggdrasil (as opposed to the new ways, where everyone uses the entirely wrong prayers and only gets minimal access to the holy power through the standard church BS) and I'm pretty sure Yggdrasil does connect to all timelines, giving the Watchers information based on that in an incomplete state. Such as how the 'Last Watcher' from Chapter 2 knows that this isn't the end of the Watchers, but doesn't know how the Watchers come back into being.
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ElectroRanger Oct 7, 2018 @ 7:49am 
Originally posted by RoyalAlchemist:
Originally posted by Promethian:
Do you even pay attention to the game? The elder watcher gives them power and never explains how or why. We can just assume he is summoning their strength from the other timeline.

Doesn't he mention, much like th great namek from DBZ. That he was unlocking their latent powers? Then just .. did it? Seems rather straight forward for Akira Toriyama.
Toriyama doesn't write Dragon Quest's plot, but it sure is similar at times to his other works.

Somehow Rab learns Pearly Gates and no one bats an eye in Angri La while were talking timeline bullcrap
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Tenshi Oct 7, 2018 @ 7:56am 
Originally posted by Promethian:
Originally posted by Tenshi:
do you even pay attention to the game? All the characters remember the powers they had in the first timeline, that's how they get their levels back too.
Do you even pay attention to the game? The elder watcher gives them power and never explains how or why. We can just assume he is summoning their strength from the other timeline.
???? He says he's awaking their true powers or something like that, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dude at least stop skipping all the dialog if you want to talk ♥♥♥♥
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(deleted) Oct 7, 2018 @ 2:43pm 
Actually the characters all had some form of deja vu. It's as though they believed there is an alternate reality and what they encounter in act 3 actually happened subconsciously somewhere else even without the hero mentioning anything.

The powers are awakened by keeper's elder but wasn't mentioned whether it's from past. But we can assume if the hero does not duplicate when travelling back with Mordegon weapon, we can also assume everyone else will only have a copy. So by awakening true powers, it would be what's in the other timeline.

Previous dragon quest titles there were different reality in DQ6 and 7. Only difference is all the characters travelled together without separation.
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Nima92 Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:14pm 
The difference between Rab's case and Jade's case is that a monster transformation is not a power you train for - it's a side effect to being cursed or whatever magic used on her to turn her into a monster. The fact that she does not have it in her DNA in this timeline is why I mentioned this at all. I mean it's fine --

plotholes can exist but I don't think we should be bashing each other over what clearly was something intended for us to not bat an eyelash and appreciate that we didn't have to grind 2 million exp to get our teammates back.
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Nima92 Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:21pm 
btw these are literally all the lines you're told during this scene https://imgur.com/INhaB3y -- no where does it say that they REMEMBER anything or about getting powers BACK. People who talked about full potential were correct in their assessment but why would ReVamp be part of Jade's 'Full Potential' as if being part monster was where being a martial artist/spear user was leading up to.
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Broso Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:26pm 
If you do the stuff with Michelle, you'll also see that she remembers dying in the first timeline but only as a "dream".
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Tenshi Oct 7, 2018 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by Nima92:
btw these are literally all the lines you're told during this scene https://imgur.com/INhaB3y -- no where does it say that they REMEMBER anything or about getting powers BACK. People who talked about full potential were correct in their assessment but why would ReVamp be part of Jade's 'Full Potential' as if being part monster was where being a martial artist/spear user was leading up to.
yeah you actually read 0 dialogues. Should really start reading some before calling out plotholes. None of the characters should recover theirr powers, they just get them back because the other time line was not completely erased, so what they knew there could be reawaken in the current time line. Jade was able to transform even after Booga was dead, that means she had dominated the powers, what once was a curse she turned it into a power of hers, so as much as any other tecnique from the other party members she remembered how to ReVamp.
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Nima92 Oct 7, 2018 @ 4:04pm 
Originally posted by Tenshi:
Originally posted by Nima92:
btw these are literally all the lines you're told during this scene https://imgur.com/INhaB3y -- no where does it say that they REMEMBER anything or about getting powers BACK. People who talked about full potential were correct in their assessment but why would ReVamp be part of Jade's 'Full Potential' as if being part monster was where being a martial artist/spear user was leading up to.
yeah you actually read 0 dialogues. Should really start reading some before calling out plotholes. None of the characters should recover theirr powers, they just get them back because the other time line was not completely erased, so what they knew there could be reawaken in the current time line. Jade was able to transform even after Booga was dead, that means she had dominated the powers, what once was a curse she turned it into a power of hers, so as much as any other tecnique from the other party members she remembered how to ReVamp.

Looks like reading those lines doesn't count as reading ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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