All PC versions 18% off on GreenManGaming

[SoulEchelon]

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/tales-of-arise-pc/
(Note: I do not know about regional pricing and don't know how it works on GMG.)

Also:

Originally posted by ClassicVinyl:

20% off if you have Humble Bundle Choice

For those iffy about Green Man Gaming, they are not a gray market key reseller/trader like certain other sites. They're an official retailer and are partnered with every gaming studio/publisher/storefront that has keys on their site. You can click the "Shop With Confidence" at the top of the page to see who they're affiliated with. All keys were legally obtained and are legally distributed.

The only downside however is that as this site is not Steam, you cannot refund your purchase through Steam. Refunds are reviewed manually in a case-by-case basis. However, when you purchase a key, it's added to your GMG account. You can then "Reveal" the key and add it to Steam. If you Reveal, the key is labeled as "Used" and thus getting a refund may be impossible. So keep that in mind.

If you're on the fence, it's probably still best to buy from Steam so you can play it a little, realize it's not for you, then refund it. If you buy from GMG or any other outside site, you won't be able to do this (I regret getting Outriders from GMG in fact. Did not realize how ♥♥♥♥ that game was going to be, but I couldn't refund it). Make sure you're absolutely sure you want this game before purchasing it on GMG.

Anyways, enjoy the discount. Been using GMG for a long time now and so far I've been happy with them.

[Seagal]

I've never bought from them before, but a lot of people claim they're fine, and I'm sure they are in the vast majority of cases. Most people say the grey market sites are totally fine also... So take that as you will.

However, GreenmanGaming has been banned from /r/GameDeals at one point. Dunno if they still are or not, but they were. GreenmanGaming also isn't listed on IsThereAnyDeal, which means they're not verified like the other key seller sites. It was also confirmed that they have and likely still do sell keys that aren't authorized from the studios themselves.

Also the fact that the CEO (during damage control from the Reddit ban) said this little line - "If a key unlocks, it is an authentic key." which is wrong on so many levels.

There's enough there for me to never buy from these guys, but anyone who does decide to is probably fine. I'll just stick with Steam because I'm not surrendering any of my consumer protection.

[Preyz]

just remember when buying stuff from a 3rd party seller at any time the dev/publishers of the game can deactivate keys that were got from some illegal means like stolen credit cards and then if they do that key you saved $20 on well get removed from your library then your just SOL

[Jeffer'son Airship]

GMG is legit.

The easy check for legit stores is if they're listed on isthereanydeal.com as they don't list gray market sites

[Seagal]

Originally posted by Mokinopomu:

GMG is legit.

The easy check for legit stores is if they're listed on isthereanydeal.com as they don't list gray market sites

Okay, so they're on the site now. That's a good sign I guess. All that stuff I mentioned did happen though, so I still wouldn't buy from them.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

GMG had a weird issue where some banks didn't like whoever handled their transaction processing at one time as well.

The major ban they had from game deals was over a single game. CD Projekt had some exclusivity deal for Witcher 3 keys that was never publicly announced but GMG had sold preorders.

They got keys through a third party channel that CDPR decided were illegitimate (either because they were actually stolen or merely they were holding up the deal they'd signed. CD Projekt the publisher does shady things on occasion so either could be true.

There was never any actual proof GMG sold any stolen keys. The GameDeals mods were just being cautious and did, eventually, sort things out and lift the ban after speaking with GMG higher ups. GameDeals freaked out and temp banned them before just because their key delivery was a day late as well so I wouldn't take the mods over there completely at face value either.

I'm not saying they haven't sold gray market keys. Just that there isn't much evidence for it and as far as I can tell nobody had their keys actually revoked.

[Retrofluxed]

I've been buying from them since 2011 and I have bought 43 games from them (including that Arise deal) and have not had one key revoked.

[KPL]

Been buying from them a really long time too Never had any problem with them

[Uzkniso o.o]

If you're only getting the standard edition then on gamebillet it is bloody 31% off:

https://www.gamebillet.com/tales-of-arise-pre-purchase

I will likely be buying the game there.

[Seagal]

Seems like it's been more than just CD Projekt that have had issues with them. The keys they've sold likely weren't stolen, but they were definitely acquired through means that weren't approved of by the companies.

“It has now come to our attention that GreenManGaming’s library of unauthorized game sales has expanded, or this library has just now come to light. You may have noticed recently some “too good to be true” deals on GreenManGaming. We received a few modmails/emails on the subject so we investigated.

From what we have been told by the publishers, GreenManGaming is not authorized to sell Activision or Ubisoft titles, as well as CDProjektRED’s The Witcher 3.

We observed the sales on Activision’s Black Ops 3, and we noticed that their customers received mixed results. Some customers received a ROW copy of Black Ops 3. Others received ROW+Nuketown (pre-order DLC). And others received invalid keys. This is often the result of buying unauthorized keys. Stores will often obtain the keys through different sources to meet the number of sales, but can’t assure the customers are getting the same product, or if it’s even valid. (There was a large number of invalid keys for The Witcher 3 as well.)”

Honestly though, the odds of having a key revoked where ever you buy from (grey market or not) is extremely low, but GreenmanGaming has a history of funny business. And the CEO did say "If a key unlocks, it is an authentic key." which is very wrong.

I'll trust the moderators, and the words of CD Projekt, Ubisoft, and Activision over a CEO that says things like that.

Bottom line is do you feel a sort of irrelevant savings at launch is worth giving up the only consumer protection you have with a digital purchase? To me, the answer is almost always "No".

Now I have bought from Fanatical in the past, when I'm totally confident there's going to be no DRM funny business or poor ports and the like, but I've heard enough about GreenmanGaming to never touch their service ever.

[SoulEchelon]

Originally posted by Seagal:

Seems like it's been more than just CD Projekt that have had issues with them. The keys they've sold likely weren't stolen, but they were definitely acquired through means that weren't approved of by the companies.

“It has now come to our attention that GreenManGaming’s library of unauthorized game sales has expanded, or this library has just now come to light. You may have noticed recently some “too good to be true” deals on GreenManGaming. We received a few modmails/emails on the subject so we investigated.

From what we have been told by the publishers, GreenManGaming is not authorized to sell Activision or Ubisoft titles, as well as CDProjektRED’s The Witcher 3.

We observed the sales on Activision’s Black Ops 3, and we noticed that their customers received mixed results. Some customers received a ROW copy of Black Ops 3. Others received ROW+Nuketown (pre-order DLC). And others received invalid keys. This is often the result of buying unauthorized keys. Stores will often obtain the keys through different sources to meet the number of sales, but can’t assure the customers are getting the same product, or if it’s even valid. (There was a large number of invalid keys for The Witcher 3 as well.)”

Honestly though, the odds of having a key revoked where ever you buy from (grey market or not) is extremely low, but GreenmanGaming has a history of funny business. And the CEO did say "If a key unlocks, it is an authentic key." which is very wrong.

I'll trust the moderators, and the words of CD Projekt, Ubisoft, and Activision over a CEO that says things like that.

Bottom line is do you feel a sort of irrelevant savings at launch is worth giving up the only consumer protection you have with a digital purchase? To me, the answer is almost always "No".

Now I have bought from Fanatical in the past, when I'm totally confident there's going to be no DRM funny business or poor ports and the like, but I've heard enough about GreenmanGaming to never touch their service ever.

Oh, I had fun tearing this apart.

Interesting how you didn't link the actual thread you got that quote from. Gee, I wonder why. Allow me to link it for you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GameDealsMeta/comments/3t0p9m/rgamedeals_and_greenmangaming/

Please note, all who read this, that this was posted 6 years ago in GamesDealsMeta. And right at the bottom of the same exact post Seagal copy/pasted their quote from, is this:

Originally posted by GameDealsMeta reddit:

WB Games Edit: We received word from WB Games that GMG is in fact authorized to sell their games, unfortunately this does not assuage the concerns raised for the other publishers. Our offer to GMG remains opens, and if they are capable and willing to go through our verification process in the future we will be happy to have them part of the r/Gamedeals family once again.

A screenshot in that same post by WB Games themselves:
https://i.imgur.com/jEjIIzu.png?1

According to r/Gamedeals search, you can still see people posting GMG deals as of 17 hours ago. They are not banned from r/Gamedeals. You can also find moderators defending GMG here and there if you do a search.

So good job, Seagal. You lied through omission.

Allow me to post another link.
https://www.pcgamer.com/green-man-gaming-defends-itself-against-grey-market-key-claims/

This was also 6 years ago. The original story is pretty much the same as already been posted above, but all are welcomed to read it. However, the update goes as such:

Originally posted by PCGamer:

"Update: Green Man Gaming has announced that it will publish the source of each key it sells, following Monday's controversy. Here's their statement (via Facebook).

You spoke, we listened.

We know you want great games at great prices. In response to your feedback, rolling out from today on the Green Man Gaming store you’ll see our pages now have two new pieces of information:

1/ When you can expect the delivery of a key
2/ The source of that key

We are committed to continually improving our site, so you can expect the very best service and experience from us. Bear with us as we have over 5000 titles to update, but remember that your feedback is always really important to us, and we want to keep helping you make informed decisions when shopping with us. Thanks for your support!"

Now then, according to GMG's actual site, they are an official retailer as of right now for Ubisoft, Activision, WB, and 700+ more. If this wasn't the case, any of these publishers would quite happily demand GMG remove them from that list. And if they didn't, those publishers would be well in their rights to sue.

As for CDProjekt, they aren't affiliated to GMG - thus no Witcher games. GMG does however host the Xbox version of Cyberpunk - probably due to connections to Microsoft or the Xbox platform. They do not host Cyberpunk for PC. Curious about this, I looked it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenManGaming/comments/kaikfh/no_cyberpunk/

At the end of the thread, one of the GMG moderators states this:

Originally posted by GmG reddit:

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No CP2077 PC from us, CDPR do not want to work with I'm afraid.

So if GMG was as bad as you say, why would they abstain from selling Cyberpunk on PC on the day of its release? We know the game isn't great now, but that would've been a huge explosion of revenue for them if they had the keys for it. But they did not, and only sold what they DID have.

To add, Black Ops 3 is also not on their store right now.

All of this showcases what I've already stated. You lied through omission, and painted almost half a decade's worth of information as if it were current and nothing was done about it. So either A: You're just bad at research, or B: You're advocating cancel culture by condemning a site over a mistake made 6 years ago that has been fully rectified. Either way - you're incompetent at best.

Your podium is destroyed; narrative decimated. You're welcome to stay afraid of GMG as much as you like, but I will have to ask you to stop wasting everyone's time with your misinformation. Please take your drama back to your own thread.

[RustyRed]

Originally posted by Uzkniso o.o:

If you're only getting the standard edition then on gamebillet it is bloody 31% off:

https://www.gamebillet.com/tales-of-arise-pre-purchase

I will likely be buying the game there.

It says 18% to me. Tried using a vpn for different regions and it still says 18%

[Seagal]

Thanks for the info, I really don't pay attention to this stuff, and keysellers have never been my thing for obvious reasons. I'm not sure why you're so worked up though? Are you a literal shill for GreenmanGaming? That's a serious question.

Anyways, nothing that I said was untrue. Warner Bros was never mentioned in what I quoted. Ubisoft and Activision came out and said that GMG wasn't an authorized retailer, and they weren't at the time. Maybe that's changed now? Good for GMG then.

CD Projekt said they were selling keys from unauthorized sources and they were. The CEO made that ridiculous statement I quoted which is laughable and not true at all. Or do you also think that just because a key unlocks that it's authentic?

Has GMG cleaned up, changed things, and seemingly done a ton of damage control to repair their reputation? So it would seem, probably because they'd be out of business if they didn't.

I'll still never buy from GreenmanGaming. Like they say, it's much easier to lose a customer than it is to gain one. Not that I was ever one to begin with, but you get the idea. Plus there's much better keysellers out there that don't have the sketchy past. I'd also rather pay a bit more and buy directly on Steam or elsewhere where I don't surrender my consumer protection to save a few bucks. I don't need to penny pinch, plus it's just easier and more secure.

It's really strange that you got so worked up over something like that though. Calling me a liar, how my narrative was decimated, how you torn me apart, my podium destroyed, and all these other edgy, angry, and aggressive words and phrases from you.

Gotta say, I'm having quite the giggle here from reading your post. You're a funny guy, man, and not in a good way. You sure got me though, and you only had to make yourself look like a real class act in the process. Bravo. Yeah... you sure got me :)

[Mavi]

I couldn't find that for bamco. But if anyone got a list like the one of Ubisoft (https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/approved-digital-distributors-of-ubisoft-games/000079502) it would be great. This way one can know if they're approved by the publisher or not.

Edit:
I don't know why the link above is considered unsafe by steam. If you do a search on google for "Approved digital distributors of Ubisoft games" you'll get the same page, though. Which is just the help site of Ubisoft.

[SoulEchelon]

Originally posted by Seagal:

Thanks for the info, I really don't pay attention to this stuff, and keysellers have never been my thing for obvious reasons. I'm not sure why you're so worked up though? Are you a literal shill for GreenmanGaming? That's a serious question.

No. I'm a shill for the truth. Too bad you're not. And since everything else you have to say is personal opinion and random insults, I'll treat you the way you clearly wish to be treated - like a waste of time.

Anyways. To everyone else - GMG usually has sales on Tales Of games especially right when they're about to come out. I got Berseria as well from them, so if you hear a Bamco game debuting soon, it's not a bad idea to hit up GMG before you purchase. Just keep in mind the caveat I mentioned in my first post.

Originally posted by Mavi:

I couldn't find that for bamco. But if anyone got a list like the one of Ubisoft (https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/approved-digital-distributors-of-ubisoft-games/000079502) it would be great. This way one can know if they're approved by the publisher or not.

Edit:
I don't know why the link above is considered unsafe by steam. If you do a search on google for "Approved digital distributors of Ubisoft games" you'll get the same page, though. Which is just the help site of Ubisoft.

You can find them on GMG's list of approved retailers. If that and my gigantic post above is not enough for you then you're free to keep searching or just not purchase from them. All I did was alert the community to a good deal.

[Village Idiot]

Originally posted by Uzkniso o.o:

If you're only getting the standard edition then on gamebillet it is bloody 31% off:

https://www.gamebillet.com/tales-of-arise-pre-purchase

I will likely be buying the game there.

Where are you seeing 31% off? I'm seeing 18%