No More Co-Op?

[Cloudst]

I saw on the Japanese website for Tales of Arise that it was single player only. Is that confirmed now with the Steam page only showing single player?

[Lantis]

Originally posted by Kazuna Bolveurk:

I find it laughable when people describe the co-op as a "main-stay" of the series

List of Tales games that have Multiplayer:

Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia
Tales of Destiny 2
Tales of Symphonia
Tales of Symphonia 2
Tales of Rebirth
Tales of Legendia
Tales of the Abyss
Tales of Innocence
Tales of Vesperia
Tales of Graces
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
Tales of Zestiria
Tales of Berseria

List of Tales games that don't:

Tales of Phantasia
Tales of Hearts
Tales of Arise

It's been a main-stay in the series since 1997. Regardless if it was advertised or not.

[Fraggoth]

Originally posted by Lantis:

Originally posted by Kazuna Bolveurk:

I find it laughable when people describe the co-op as a "main-stay" of the series

List of Tales games that have Multiplayer:

Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia
Tales of Destiny 2
Tales of Symphonia
Tales of Symphonia 2
Tales of Rebirth
Tales of Legendia
Tales of the Abyss
Tales of Innocence
Tales of Vesperia
Tales of Graces
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
Tales of Zestiria
Tales of Berseria

List of Tales games that don't:

Tales of Phantasia
Tales of Hearts
Tales of Arise

It's been a main-stay in the series since 1997. Regardless if it was advertised or not.

And for what it's worth, the PS1 port/version of Tales of Phantasia got multiplayer added in (with the use of the "Channeling Ring" items).

Oh!

And the Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology games on the PSP had multiplayer as well, via AdHoc. Certainly the first one did; I believe 2 and 3 had it as well.

[Matticus]

Originally posted by Fraggoth:

Originally posted by Lantis:

List of Tales games that have Multiplayer:

Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia
Tales of Destiny 2
Tales of Symphonia
Tales of Symphonia 2
Tales of Rebirth
Tales of Legendia
Tales of the Abyss
Tales of Innocence
Tales of Vesperia
Tales of Graces
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
Tales of Zestiria
Tales of Berseria

List of Tales games that don't:

Tales of Phantasia
Tales of Hearts
Tales of Arise

It's been a main-stay in the series since 1997. Regardless if it was advertised or not.

And for what it's worth, the PS1 port/version of Tales of Phantasia got multiplayer added in (with the use of the "Channeling Ring" items).

Oh!

And the Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology games on the PSP had multiplayer as well, via AdHoc. Certainly the first one did; I believe 2 and 3 had it as well.

I don't know. I always look for improved combat, characters, skits, mini games, worldbuilding, costumes, etc. Those were always mainstay features for me and the first things I look for in Tales games. Co-op never registered for me and if I were to halt my purchase because of that one missing feature? I'd be missing the whole point of the game. That's all we're trying to say, really.

[Lantis]

For me personally, I'm still going to get and play the game, and I'm sure it's going to be great. But the entire time I'm playing it, I'm going to be wishing I could share the experience like I have in the past.

[Zantis]

https://www.change.org/p/namco-bandai-namco-bandai-please-bring-back-local-co-op-for-tales-of-arise

[kadashsouba]

I willl play too but I really hope they will add local coop :(

[Stormy Dawn]

While it has been a mainstay in the franchise for a while now, I imagine Bandai Namco simply didn't want to be bothered. For reasons we still aren't entirely aware of, they had to delay this game substantially. They may have felt compelled to not bother with multiplayer considering that it's not exactly a prolific addition that a lot of people used - let's be real here - if it helped them to not continue to delay the game.

[Devi]

when they cut out Multiplayer this game is just a really weak JRPG, Story isnt that great, graphics and looks was mostly behind competitors. They really do not care about their fanbase. while they got alot attention with beseria it follows the same "hero is strong buddies are weak but important". Listening to their solid fanbase Tales of Graces was the best Fighter in their Series and its just by the fact that every charcter was Maincharacter lvl strong, with style and charme. I can live with a side release like this, but if theyy cash with this we will only see games like this. Facts straight, they wont reach some Devil May Cry Combo game, they wont reach some Final Fantasy lvl graphics, and they wont reach some Nier Automata lvl Story, so why bother? Yeah excaclty for Couch Coop Multiplayer. Whoever wants to buy it, rush it, clear it, sell it, sure go for it. But this player base isnt something you should build your company on.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Devi:

Facts straight, they wont reach some Devil May Cry Combo game, they wont reach some Final Fantasy lvl graphics, and they wont reach some Nier Automata lvl Story, so why bother? Yeah excaclty for Couch Coop Multiplayer. Whoever wants to buy it, rush it, clear it, sell it, sure go for it. But this player base isnt something you should build your company on.

I'd agree that none of the games really do any one of those things the best, but they do a lot of them better than most games.

Devil May Cry may have some good combat, but I find the story and characters lacking. Final Fantasy games are usually a visual treat, but they have been lacking in innovating their gameplay, and only now are they trying to and it's kind of a mess at least half of the time. I don't really think it's fair to universally praise Nier Automata's story. I know those who love it love it to death, which is awesome, but I don't think it's reached that kind of widespread impact and appeal to be lauded with a great story because it doesn't resonate with all that many gamers out there even amongst the RPG fans.

My point is, Tales may not be the "best" at anything, but they usually do a lot of things decently well. Most of them have pretty decent, if someone overly trodden, stories. Graphics may not be technically impressive, but aesthetically the games look great, and the gameplay is somewhat suffering FInal Fantasy's recent stagnation issue, but I'd argue what they have at least played better than what Final Fantasy did for years, and only now is Final Fantasy games starting to reach Tales level of engaging combat.

[Pessoinha]

no co-op no buy, simple as that

[aeoncs]

I'll never understand what's fun about watching someone play and sitting around 80% of the time, just so you can participate in battles; tried it with my girlfriend once, there's just way better games around for this type of experience.

That being said, I still feel for everyone who enjoyed playing the games like that - I can totally get behind the disappointment of some long-time fans.

[Cya Vain]

Originally posted by aeoncs:

I'll never understand what's fun about watching someone play and sitting around 80% of the time, just so you can participate in battles; tried it with my girlfriend once, there's just way better games around for this type of experience.

That being said, I still feel for everyone who enjoyed playing the games like that - I can totally get behind the disappointment of some long-time fans.

play & enjoy the story together

[aeoncs]

Originally posted by Cya Vain:

Originally posted by aeoncs:

I'll never understand what's fun about watching someone play and sitting around 80% of the time, just so you can participate in battles; tried it with my girlfriend once, there's just way better games around for this type of experience.

That being said, I still feel for everyone who enjoyed playing the games like that - I can totally get behind the disappointment of some long-time fans.

play & enjoy the story together

Which you'll still be able to do because that can literally be done in every single game ever.
Exploring is more than 1/3 of the stuff you do in Tales games in it's exclusive to a single player - I don't see why I'd ever take that away from myself when there are games that let me play with friends 100% of the time we're playing it.

EDIT: And that's not even mentioning that the games aren't balanced around it and how co-op takes pretty much all the challenge out of the game. As I said, I only ever tried it with a second player but that already broke the game and made almost every single boss battle a cakewalk.

Again, it sucks for the people who do enjoy it and I don't get why they removed it - even if the combat system is part of it, the same was true for Xillia and they still kept it in.

[Tarshaid]

Originally posted by Awesomedogg:

Originally posted by Tarshaid:

Your comment is literally two above this one, I don't think I need to actually quote it properly.

I'll have to ask if you're aware that the camera functionally changes when you're playing alone vs when you've got another player with you.

The solo ToB camera follows pretty much everything you do and is zoomed in by default. I'll call this the single-player "action camera". (Clarification that this is the one similar to Arise)

Only when you add another real player does that camera angle change to the multiplayer camera which you describe as "top-down wide area".

Yes, except no. Maybe some time read what was inside the post before blowing up once you read the word "camera". The solo camera of Berseria doesn't have to change much to enable multiplayer, because the movesets of Berseria all work as long as you stay with a "top-down wide area". All you need to do is zoom out and not move. The camera of Arise cannot work this way, because Arise's movesets require the camera to follow the player around.

[soulblazr]

Originally posted by Zantis:

https://www.change.org/p/namco-bandai-namco-bandai-please-bring-back-local-co-op-for-tales-of-arise

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