Please Remove "Survive with Starter Items" from the Daily

[thrythlind]

Even with a $100 reward you often end up losing money on this challenge due to being unable to complete the secondary mission objectives.

It basically encourages you to start a map and then leave just to clear it.

Create an equivalent weekly challenge instead for one of the "Complete three times and win 5000"

[WolfLink0370]

I personally don't mind, because the only thing that matters is that you don't hit take anything from your storage.

So as a result, can just do the weekly challenge - you only get the x1 rewards multiplier, but at least you can potentially earn a perfect investigation still.

But I don't think it matters much - there is a planned objectives overhaul in the next major update, so this suggestion is kind of moot with that on the horizon. It'd be better to wait for that and see what happens.

[GuineaPrince]

If you don't want to be cheap about it by entering and leaving the map without doing anything, just remove all the items from your van. If all you have are literally the starter items and only the starter items, there's nothing you *can* lose.

That's why I've been slowly grinding a higher but comfortable difficulty modifier with Only the starter items - if I win I get 1000 exp a map, and if I lose I lose nothing because all the rest of my stuff are in storage.

[thrythlind]

It's not a matter of being difficult.

If there is even one objective that requires a non-starter item like a crucifix, you lose out on 50-60 reward at amateur, 100-120 at intermediate, 150-180 at professional.

So, you only come out ahead if you're playing on amateur. You lose money on any higher difficulty.

[GuineaPrince]

Sure for that round alone, perhaps. But it's not the end of the world.

[WolfLink0370]

I agree with Guinea - losing out on perfect investigations does not mean the end of the world.

But more to the point - we do need to look ahead to the roadmap here. Our next planned major update does say that they will be adding new tasks and optional objectives... they could also be giving a few the chopping block then.

[Incantus]

Originally posted by thrythlind:

It's not a matter of being difficult.

If there is even one objective that requires a non-starter item like a crucifix, you lose out on 50-60 reward at amateur, 100-120 at intermediate, 150-180 at professional.

So, you only come out ahead if you're playing on amateur. You lose money on any higher difficulty.

I know its a week later and then some, but seriously. I've managed to beat both amateur and intermediate with nothing but the starting items. And I've got 15 hours in this game?

Sure I had some knowledge from having watched a few videos before I got interested in playing myself, but still... I don't get how you're "loosing" money.

[Emurinus]

Originally posted by Incantus:

Originally posted by thrythlind:

It's not a matter of being difficult.

If there is even one objective that requires a non-starter item like a crucifix, you lose out on 50-60 reward at amateur, 100-120 at intermediate, 150-180 at professional.

So, you only come out ahead if you're playing on amateur. You lose money on any higher difficulty.

I know its a week later and then some, but seriously. I've managed to beat both amateur and intermediate with nothing but the starting items. And I've got 15 hours in this game?

Sure I had some knowledge from having watched a few videos before I got interested in playing myself, but still... I don't get how you're "loosing" money.

You're losing out on a bigger payout for a measly $100. It's simply not worth doing unless you just enter the map then immediately leave it.

[WolfLink0370]

Originally posted by Emurinus:

Originally posted by Incantus:

I know its a week later and then some, but seriously. I've managed to beat both amateur and intermediate with nothing but the starting items. And I've got 15 hours in this game?

Sure I had some knowledge from having watched a few videos before I got interested in playing myself, but still... I don't get how you're "loosing" money.

You're losing out on a bigger payout for a measly $100. It's simply not worth doing unless you just enter the map then immediately leave it.

hmmm maybe if it persists after the objective rework... which is the next update... they can decide raise the amount earned by this daily to maybe 200 or even 300? Might be worthwhile then...

Course I'm just tossing the idea out there - we'll obviously have to wait and see what they do... they might even remove it outright then for all we know.

[thrythlind]

I think it's perfect for one of the weekly challenges. It just feels aggravating on Dailies.

[Cathulhu]

I like the challenge, just raise the reward to compensate for the opportunity lost.

[thrythlind]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

I like the challenge, just raise the reward to compensate for the opportunity lost.

Doesn't quite solve the fact that it can be completed by entering and exiting a contract.

Making it a weekly challenge would require discovering the ghost three times with starter items for a reward of $5000 which hits the spirit of the challenge.

[Cathulhu]

Yeah make it require a correct answer, and increase the reward. Could be a weekly 3x or a daily 1x as long as it's worth doing and not cheesable.

[thrythlind]

there's lots of weekly challenges where the optional objectives are impossible, but requiring the correct answer and the big $5000 makes it not feel like a waste of time and thus still fun.

[Barnabas Sackett]

I repeat suggestion in 2025 !!

[Eli]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.