Goryo when obviously a Raiju?

[placebo-skabb]

I am losing my skittles, my marbles and whatever membrane i have left in my very small and very stupid brain. If there is one thing in this world that I would take poison to defend, would walk through purgatory to prove, it is that Goryos do NOT change their speed in the way that Raiju for example does.

So me and my friend are playing and in the hunt where I die, the ghost is fast as fluff through the entire Grafton Farmhouse. After the hunt. the lights go off. We do not light them again. Next hunt, the ghost is slower. We do the little thinkithink and come to the conclusion that it must be a Raiju. It is not a Deogen or a Revenant and it is not cold in other parts of the house. Then we guess on Raiju. We get a bit confident in this, you know?

We go to the truck and feel like we have FINALLY gotten some progress on this horrid challenge (which, if the things mentioned in this post were not a thing, would be GREAT challenge!! I truly like it!)
We start the truck and we giggle and are excited and then we are met with a five-letter name. Only that is... GORYO.

Since when are they changing speed like that? Please help me figure out the mystery, Have I misunderstood them? (like I said - this brain is small and stupid) Or is this a bug?

More things similarly happened during out attempts at this challenge, which makes us think something is up?

Please help me, I am going bonkers about this!

[Banshee Target]

80% of the ghosts gradually speed up to line of sight, including the Goryo. If the ghost killed someone in the first hunt, I assume it was chasing someone which made it speed up.
Edit: also if I'm correct, blood moon makes the ghost speed 125%

[Xaks32]

After 1200h into this game, I'm sharing you a secret: the game usually choses 2 ghost traits; one is the real ghost trait, the other is fake ghost traits that belongs to another ghost.

[Shurenai]

Most ghosts speed up in line of sight with a player, And while the speed does decay after LoS is broken, it does so so slowly that it may as well not (It takes like 75 seconds to reach normal speed again).

Raiju also speeds up when in line of sight too, but, it also is a ghost that specifically speeds up when it is in the proximity of electronics, and does so regardless of whether there is LoS with a player. So to test a Raiju, you want to fill the area with electronics and dead spots, so you can listen to hear if it's speeding up and slowing down as it wanders around.

Basically, you played yourself. You sped the ghost up by being in LoS till it killed you, and then it was slow next round because it saw noone, and you confused that for the Raiju's speed changing when it enters an eletrical field.

[Banshee Target]

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

After 1200h into this game, I'm sharing you a secret: the game usually choses 2 ghost traits; one is the real ghost trait, the other is fake ghost traits that belongs to another ghost.

Strange. I also have 1200+ hours but I've yet to find an *actual* behaviour bug in the game (like Oni shapeshifting or Revenant being normal speed or stuff like that). Yeah, sometimes I get a strangely active Shade, but that's all. As a pro player, you have to adapt to unusal occurrences like that. Sometimes you get an inactive Demon or an active Shade because at the end of the day, soft evidence(like activeness or hunt quantity) is based on RNG.

Saying "the game chooses 2 ghost traits" is a bizarre thing to state. It reaches the 'misinformation' category in my book.

[Super Moogle]

Originally posted by Panthola (TOPACK):

After the hunt. the lights go off. We do not light them again. Next hunt, the ghost is slower.

Room lights have nothing to do with Raiju speed. Only electronic inventory items that you bring in from the van.

[Xaks32]

Originally posted by Banshee Target:

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

After 1200h into this game, I'm sharing you a secret: the game usually choses 2 ghost traits; one is the real ghost trait, the other is fake ghost traits that belongs to another ghost.

Strange. I also have 1200+ hours but I've yet to find an *actual* behaviour bug in the game (like Oni shapeshifting or Revenant being normal speed or stuff like that). Yeah, sometimes I get a strangely active Shade, but that's all. As a pro player, you have to adapt to unusal occurrences like that. Sometimes you get an inactive Demon or an active Shade because at the end of the day, soft evidence(like activeness or hunt quantity) is based on RNG.

Saying "the game chooses 2 ghost traits" is a bizarre thing to state. It reaches the 'misinformation' category in my book.

I see you got most phasmos achievements in only 2~3 days,
traits like speed and evidence never change,
however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

[placebo-skabb]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Most ghosts speed up in line of sight with a player, And while the speed does decay after LoS is broken, it does so so slowly that it may as well not (It takes like 75 seconds to reach normal speed again).

Raiju also speeds up when in line of sight too, but, it also is a ghost that specifically speeds up when it is in the proximity of electronics, and does so regardless of whether there is LoS with a player. So to test a Raiju, you want to fill the area with electronics and dead spots, so you can listen to hear if it's speeding up and slowing down as it wanders around.

Basically, you played yourself. You sped the ghost up by being in LoS till it killed you, and then it was slow next round because it saw noone, and you confused that for the Raiju's speed changing when it enters an eletrical field.

but it was fast after i had died, i followed it around :(

[OptimalGaming9TTV]

Originally posted by Banshee Target:

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

After 1200h into this game, I'm sharing you a secret: the game usually choses 2 ghost traits; one is the real ghost trait, the other is fake ghost traits that belongs to another ghost.

Strange. I also have 1200+ hours but I've yet to find an *actual* behaviour bug in the game (like Oni shapeshifting or Revenant being normal speed or stuff like that). Yeah, sometimes I get a strangely active Shade, but that's all. As a pro player, you have to adapt to unusal occurrences like that. Sometimes you get an inactive Demon or an active Shade because at the end of the day, soft evidence(like activeness or hunt quantity) is based on RNG.

Saying "the game chooses 2 ghost traits" is a bizarre thing to state. It reaches the 'misinformation' category in my book.

I've had plenty of behavior bugs, my most common ones have been Onryo that starts as fast as a young Thaye with no line of sight, Shades that start a hunt from the same room as I'm in without the use of cursed objects, etc.

I agree that ghosts don't choose 2 ghost traits though. Most the ghost behavior bugs I've had started directly after the Point Hope update

[Crimson Bort]

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

Originally posted by Banshee Target:

Strange. I also have 1200+ hours but I've yet to find an *actual* behaviour bug in the game (like Oni shapeshifting or Revenant being normal speed or stuff like that). Yeah, sometimes I get a strangely active Shade, but that's all. As a pro player, you have to adapt to unusal occurrences like that. Sometimes you get an inactive Demon or an active Shade because at the end of the day, soft evidence(like activeness or hunt quantity) is based on RNG.

Saying "the game chooses 2 ghost traits" is a bizarre thing to state. It reaches the 'misinformation' category in my book.

I see you got most phasmos achievements in only 2~3 days,
traits like speed and evidence never change,
however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

Gonna play devils advocate here. Achievements were introduced later and some were retroactive. I got almost all of the achievements in a couple days, A good chunk of them immediately after my first game. just had to wait on being killed by a demon.

More on topic, 1800 hours, I've had strange behaviours, but never had a ghost go the wrong speed. Sorry OP but I think you were confused by the 125% blood moon speed. Thinking house lights affect a raiju's speed doesn't help your case.

[placebo-skabb]

Originally posted by Crimson Bort:

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

I see you got most phasmos achievements in only 2~3 days,
traits like speed and evidence never change,
however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

Gonna play devils advocate here. Achievements were introduced later and some were retroactive. I got almost all of the achievements in a couple days, A good chunk of them immediately after my first game. just had to wait on being killed by a demon.

More on topic, 1800 hours, I've had strange behaviours, but never had a ghost go the wrong speed. Sorry OP but I think you were confused by the 125% blood moon speed. Thinking house lights affect a raiju's speed doesn't help your case.

yeah it makes sense, BUT it was faster even after I had died, and then when I watched the next hunt, it was slow. so it was not only fast when it saw me, it was also fast afterwards

[Crimson Bort]

Originally posted by Panthola (TOPACK):

Originally posted by Crimson Bort:

Gonna play devils advocate here. Achievements were introduced later and some were retroactive. I got almost all of the achievements in a couple days, A good chunk of them immediately after my first game. just had to wait on being killed by a demon.

More on topic, 1800 hours, I've had strange behaviours, but never had a ghost go the wrong speed. Sorry OP but I think you were confused by the 125% blood moon speed. Thinking house lights affect a raiju's speed doesn't help your case.

yeah it makes sense, BUT it was faster even after I had died, and then when I watched the next hunt, it was slow. so it was not only fast when it saw me, it was also fast afterwards

I think you just made an honest mistake. Gauging BPM by ear, or speed by eye isn't easy for people, but a computers gonna nail it every time. Though who knows! New update means new bugs. i've personally never had a ghost go the wrong speed. I've THOUGHT i did, but then after a couple more hunts I figure out what it is.

[Xaks32]

Originally posted by Crimson Bort:

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

I see you got most phasmos achievements in only 2~3 days,
traits like speed and evidence never change,
however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

Gonna play devils advocate here. Achievements were introduced later and some were retroactive. I got almost all of the achievements in a couple days, A good chunk of them immediately after my first game. just had to wait on being killed by a demon.

More on topic, 1800 hours, I've had strange behaviours, but never had a ghost go the wrong speed. Sorry OP but I think you were confused by the 125% blood moon speed. Thinking house lights affect a raiju's speed doesn't help your case.

Even more funny you don't know most achievements are not retroactive; only the apocalypse challenges were, not even the tutorial "Walking on bycicles" was retroactive.

At this point i don't even care if you or your friend cheated or not for some or all of the achievements. Note that I've never said anything about ghost speeds neither, yet you keep insisting on it for no good reason.

Please, don't talk to me and leave me alone, I have no interest in engaging in any kind of conversation with you.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

After 1200h into this game, I'm sharing you a secret: the game usually choses 2 ghost traits; one is the real ghost trait, the other is fake ghost traits that belongs to another ghost.

That's simply not true. Ghosts will always only inherit their own behavior, anything else is just a bug (or in most cases just a misinterpretation by users). There are some overlapping behavior or some abilities, that can look like others, as well as some abilities being variations or standard behavior (and thus hard to find), but that's all known and can simply be read up in the wiki.

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

In general it is extremely uncommon to see something like this, given that the behavior and evidence system is one of the most bug free systems in the game. There were a few bugs in the past, but most of them were about roaming behavior, while i don't know of any speed related bugs (especially since people, who claim it happening commonly usually don't seem to be able to record it for whatever reason)

And maybe if you would've asked more questions, you would've known how the game actually works, instead of guessing the ghost half the time on 0-Evidence

Originally posted by Panthola (TOPACK):

yeah it makes sense, BUT it was faster even after I had died, and then when I watched the next hunt, it was slow. so it was not only fast when it saw me, it was also fast afterwards

Ghost speed gradually builds up relatively fast, but takes 4 times as long to lose this speed again. Killing you doesn't mean, that it suddenly becomes very slow again and especially hunts in small houses are so short, that you don't reach the standard speed again, once it reaches max speed or something like that.

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

Even more funny you don't know most achievements are not retroactive; only the apocalypse challenges were, not even the tutorial "Walking on bycicles" was retroactive.

I wouldn't be surprised, if you have gotten most of your achievements in a short period as well, especially for experienced players it's not hard to unlock them by simply playing a few days, but i guess you've a very good reason to hide your games on your profile.

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

Please, don't talk to me and leave me alone, I have no interest in engaging in any kind of conversation with you.

If you keep on spreading misinformation in the future as well, then it would be best, if you just leave this forum alone.

[Crimson Bort]

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

Originally posted by Crimson Bort:

Gonna play devils advocate here. Achievements were introduced later and some were retroactive. I got almost all of the achievements in a couple days, A good chunk of them immediately after my first game. just had to wait on being killed by a demon.

More on topic, 1800 hours, I've had strange behaviours, but never had a ghost go the wrong speed. Sorry OP but I think you were confused by the 125% blood moon speed. Thinking house lights affect a raiju's speed doesn't help your case.

Even more funny you don't know most achievements are not retroactive, because you likely cheated on them; only the apocalypse challenges were, not even the tutorial "Walking on bycicles" was retroactive.

At this point i don't even care if you/your friend cheated or not for some or all of the achievements. Note that I've never said anything about ghost speeds neither, yet you keep insisting on it for no good reason.

Please, don't talk to me and leave me alone, I have no interest in engaging in any kind of conversation with you.

Seriously, you ok? This is a bit unhinged...."even more funny" even more funny than what? What was funny in the first place? I never said "You know whats funny?" Then you say "I keep insisting on it for no good reason" First off, its the main point of this discussion, second off, that was the first thing I had written in this discussion, how could i have "kept insisting?" Third, if you want to be left alone, and not engage in conversation with people, you probably should not engage in a public conversations. All right, i'll leave you alone now. But are you gonna be able to restrain yourself from replying? ooo I can't wait!

[Banshee Target]

Originally posted by Xakurinha32:

I see you got most phasmos achievements in only 2~3 days,
traits like speed and evidence never change,
however It's very common to catch ghosts that behave like another ghost on zero evidence games.

Maybe if you had played the game for real you would have known.

Chump Change, Fat Stack, Cash Cow, Break The Bank (Prestige)I, (Prestige)II, (Prestige)III, Work Experience, Rookie, Professional, Boss, Bare Essentials, Tools of the Trade, Director, Bronze Hunter, Silver Hunter, Gold Hunter

- I got ALL of them as retroactive achievements, as I already completed their requirement before the achievements became active back in November.

I got all ghost type achievement in 6 days (13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th). If you play every day, it's really not that hard. It wouldn't even surprise me if some players got them in a day or two.

"No More Training Wheels" - a 5 minute achievement.
"Extra Mile" - complete 50 objectives. You can do it in like 20 games easily.
"They're here" - Polti ability. Just get a Polti and wait
"The Bait" - I pulled a hanged man card while having a Banshee with my friends. Interestingly, you don't necessarily need to be killed *directly* by the ghost.
"Fully Loaded" - Got it 2 days after "Tools of the Trade". Not that hard if you know how to play.
"Flawless Execution" - It's just doing a perfect game. Nothing special
"Escape Artist" - Basically just don't die while escaping a Revi

"Dedicated" - 30 daily tasks. Basically play ~10 days and you can easily get it
"Devoted" - 10 weekly tasks. Play for a few weeks. I got it right after my 3rd week.

"Challenger Approaching", "Rise to the Challenge", "Taking All Challenges" - All based on weekly challenges. Like many others, I finished this one in January, as it was the 10th weekly challenge after the November update.

"Doom Slayed" was the most annoying one. I made a custom game specificaly for completing this (one that was created by a guy from Reddit). After a 3-4 days i managed to do it.

I really don't understand what exactly was so out of ordinary with my achievements.