Anyone thermo not giving less than 0?

[Andy Mil]

I failed dectecting freezing temp once. been scanning with tier 2 temp in and nearby ghost room for many time and lowest was 0.0 and 0.1 and above soo i could not guess the ghost right on that round

[TheNightglow]

1)
T2 thermo is trash, you will have more luck just leaving a T1 thermo in the ghost room and checking in on it now and then

also I am not entirely sure how exactly T2 works, but 0.0°C might already be enough for freezing
for a T1 the temperature will never drop below 1°C if its not freezing, but for higher tier thermos the temp seems to get a random noise number added or substracted or something, so I believe their display of the temperature can fall below 1°C even if its not freezing
however i doubt the random noise can straight up make a 0.0 out of a 1.0, so I assume 0.0 already suffices for freezing (not entirely sure tho, again T2 is trash, never use it)

2)
temperature decreases if the ghost is in the room, if you have a very open or small room, or a very roamy ghost, the ghost will only occasionally be inside its favorite room causing the temperature to never fall deep
best way to counter this is to either kill the breaker or wish for snow with the monkey paw, turning the entire house cold, thus even if the ghost is only briefly in a room, it will suffice to turn it freezing

[Andy Mil]

yea tier 1 will usually drop below 0. T2 totally a scam

[Banshee Target]

Little fun fact: On tier 2 and tier 3 thermo, everything under 1 is freezing. When you see anything start with a zero, like in this game (0.0 and 0.1), you can select freezing temperatures as evidence.

[Andy Mil]

What happen to -1 before shop update??

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Banshee Target:

Little fun fact: On tier 2 and tier 3 thermo, everything under 1 is freezing. When you see anything start with a zero, like in this game (0.0 and 0.1), you can select freezing temperatures as evidence.

you are right, just read up on it and the random noise added to the output for T2 and T3 is always positive (the offset is between 0 and 3 °C)
i always thought the noise could also go into the negative so I never fully trusted temps of 0.X°C on T2 and T3

but yea seems for all thermos a display of <1°C is always freezing

[Tracker]

Yeah the whole not making thermos accurate is pretty stupid. The benefit of higher tier thermos should just be faster reads. So while tier one passively checks the higher tier ones will nail temperatures after their scan period. That's how they should have done it.

Once they "fix" the tier one so it no longer accurately reads finding freezing is going to be even more of a RNG gamble. Just another case of them changing something for the sake of changing it and not them changing something because it's better the new way.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Tracker:

Yeah the whole not making thermos accurate is pretty stupid. The benefit of higher tier thermos should just be faster reads. So while tier one passively checks the higher tier ones will nail temperatures after their scan period. That's how they should have done it.

Once they "fix" the tier one so it no longer accurately reads finding freezing is going to be even more of a RNG gamble. Just another case of them changing something for the sake of changing it and not them changing something because it's better the new way.

wait they are planning to change how T1 thermos work?

so everyone is complaining about T2 and T3 being trash, and instead of fixing T2 and T3, they make T1 trash as well?^^
what exactly do you mean by no longer accurately finding freezing anyway, what is the plan there? will T1 also get a random noise offset?

[Banshee Target]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

Originally posted by Tracker:

Yeah the whole not making thermos accurate is pretty stupid. The benefit of higher tier thermos should just be faster reads. So while tier one passively checks the higher tier ones will nail temperatures after their scan period. That's how they should have done it.

Once they "fix" the tier one so it no longer accurately reads finding freezing is going to be even more of a RNG gamble. Just another case of them changing something for the sake of changing it and not them changing something because it's better the new way.

wait they are planning to change how T1 thermos work?

so everyone is complaining about T2 and T3 being trash, and instead of fixing T2 and T3, they make T1 trash as well?^^
what exactly do you mean by no longer accurately finding freezing anyway, what is the plan there? will T1 also get a random noise offset?

Yeah, that's exactly what they are doing.

[Andy Mil]

Ok, that terrible. Instead of making ghost more scary or even new type of ghost with new behavior they making game harder with RNG. I against it. My success MUST NOT be determind by randomness

[Tracker]

Yeah they want all thermos to have a range they bounce between. So tier one will bounce between more temperatures while tier 3 will have the least wiggle between reads. Tier one always being accurate wasn't intentional and they announced right after the ascension update that they planed to "fix" it so tier one thermos had the right amount bounce between reads.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Tracker:

Yeah they want all thermos to have a range they bounce between. So tier one will bounce between more temperatures while tier 3 will have the least wiggle between reads. Tier one always being accurate wasn't intentional and they announced right after the ascension update that they planed to "fix" it so tier one thermos had the right amount bounce between reads.

to be fair, it was always kinda cheesy that you knew it was not freezing as soon as T1 gets stuck at exactly 1°C^^
but "fixing" this will not make T2 and T3 any more relevant, as the big problem is not the accuracy but rather the convenience
T2 and 3 are just so clunky and tedious to use, no amount of added inaccuracy for T1 will make 2 or 3 better then 1

having to hold a button for a while will never compare to the instant feedback of the T1
same in regards to the convenience of not having to carry the thing around with you and simply being able to leave it in the ghost room to passively do its thing

an actually fun idea for higher tier thermos would be something like allowing to attach them to a camera or a standing mic and then see the temperature in the vans camera feed or around the sound monitor

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

having to hold a button for a while will never compare to the instant feedback of the T1
same in regards to the convenience of not having to carry the thing around with you and simply being able to leave it in the ghost room to passively do its thing

T2 and T3 will as well be changed to constantly update, as long as you keep holding the button after the initial waiting time. with that, it will be as accurate as the T1 thermo with the added advantage of being able to tell freezing already at 0,9°C

[WolfLink0370]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

having to hold a button for a while will never compare to the instant feedback of the T1
same in regards to the convenience of not having to carry the thing around with you and simply being able to leave it in the ghost room to passively do its thing

T2 and T3 will as well be changed to constantly update, as long as you keep holding the button after the initial waiting time. with that, it will be as accurate as the T1 thermo with the added advantage of being able to tell freezing already at 0,9°C

I also wish to note that the T1 thermo change will be that it is no longer going to be perfectly accurate - even before the Ascension Adjustments news, the developers confirmed that this was unintended behavior from that particular item...

in other words - T1 Thermo has been confirmed by the devs (for a few months now even) to be bugged (although this is a rare case of a purely beneficial one), and we just all presumed this was intended. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

As a compromise though, they are more or less moving that accuracy to the T3... where it honestly and rightfully belongs. This combined with the constant scanning (which we should in theory be able to easily prime during the walk into the residence) should make the T3 actually feel like the best thermo to use.

[Tracker]

T3 being spot on is a solid change. Just move the T2 fluctuation to T1 and current T3 to the T2 with T3 being accurate. Then progressing through the upgrades would make sense and be worth it.

Looking forward to just holding and not having to spam click to refresh the readout. That'll be nice.

[WolfLink0370]

Originally posted by Tracker:

T3 being spot on is a solid change. Just move the T2 fluctuation to T1 and current T3 to the T2 with T3 being accurate. Then progressing through the upgrades would make sense and be worth it.

Looking forward to just holding and not having to spam click to refresh the readout. That'll be nice.

T3 is not being spot on, to be clear about that - it is just having it's maximum variance tightened up. T2 meanwhile will be staying the same in that regard

In other words, instead of a +3C maximum variance on display temp we could see the T3 readers max at +2 or even +1... so still pretty accurate all the same, but not going to be the current T1 levels of accurate.

Personal prediction is that the maximum display variance, come the Ascension Adjustments, will be +4 for T1, +3 for T2, and +2 for T3. Alternatively I could also seeing it go +5, +3, +1... but I feel that might be a bit too powerful for the T3.