Streamer Banned because Lead Dev has Double Standards?

[Bloody Bubba]

https://youtu.be/mQ-5ZE7T8-0?si=BlzlOHhhb9LOM-dX

[Sparrow]

RIGHT!? My favorite Phasmo streamer got banned and of course Devs besties get off scot-free. It isn't right.

[Banshee Target]

I hope they'll resolve this peacefully.

[Shurenai]

Usually this kinda stuff is overblown and not as bad as it seems, but eesh, That's a lotta receipts. IMO Bearded was a bit out of line blatantly reposting something that had been removed over and over- And I can understand WHY he did it; But it's still against the rules so I'd expect a punishment to be handed out.

But, That's some sour ♥♥♥♥ from the devs right there. Bearded didn't deserve a Perma ban for their decision to, essentially, just let Psycho do whatever he wants and exploit because he's a friend.

[Zothen]

Look, something to learn from this? Dont get into an argument with millionaires without being a millionaire?

[Amokeus Rotasch]

Although Bearded did kind of escalate the situation by (understandably) being annoyed and upset, it still is a very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing to do on the developers' part. just blatantly acknowledging favoritism in a content creator setting is just a very poor move to play, doesn't matter what kind of game or studio it is.

I think the weirdest part is seeing people harass Bearded about going public with this whole situation. Do people just want this kind of stuff to stay under the radar and not be discussed? That seems super odd, doesn't matter which content creator you support.

[Maya-Neko]

So to summarize:

- Psycho asked the devs to do stuff earlier and got the allowance and now, that the devs said, that they don't like it, Psycho apologized and said, that he won't use it anymore.

- BeardedBaron, now with this topic being made more clear to all partners, decided to break the rules by posting about this exploit over and over again and then gets mad, that he got banned from the partner discord for breaking the rules

I don't see, where the double standard is hiding here actually. Sure, they could've stopped Psycho earlier and that should've been done, however the actions of BeardedBaron are a fully seperate episode and clearly intended to piss off the devs by intentionally ignoring the NDA part of the partner program. I wouldn't even be surprised, if he intended to get banned, just so that he can make a video about it.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Kinda my opinion too. He took it a bit far but I think he was just trying to provoke a ban on Psycho for exploiting it for an entire year.

Yeah, though to be fair, most people didn't realize this was a thing by only watching Psychos videos and it took BeardedBaron more than half a year himself. I always just thought, that he sat there point 0 o'clock and uploading it like an hour later, because unlike BB, i've not really had any reason to upload a video about it asap, so i wasn't really aware about the discrepancy.

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

I do still think it is wholly unfair that one person was able to take advantage of it for so long without any sort of consequence, but he never shared it with anyone like BB did.

He got the allowance for the first 26 weeks, so there's nothing that deserves to have consequences. As for the time afterwards i could see Psycho being so used to doing it, that he didn't realize, that he shouldn't have it done anymore, so clearing it up once it got noticed, is definitely the way to go, as i personally am no fan of punishing someone for a small mistake they've learned from.

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Kinda my opinion too. He took it a bit far but I think he was just trying to provoke a ban on Psycho for exploiting it for an entire year.

Yeah, though to be fair, most people didn't realize this was a thing by only watching Psychos videos and it took BeardedBaron more than half a year himself. I always just thought, that he sat there point 0 o'clock and uploading it like an hour later, because unlike BB, i've not really had any reason to upload a video about it asap, so i wasn't really aware about the discrepancy.

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

I do still think it is wholly unfair that one person was able to take advantage of it for so long without any sort of consequence, but he never shared it with anyone like BB did.

He got the allowance for the first 26 weeks, so there's nothing that deserves to have consequences. As for the time afterwards i could see Psycho being so used to doing it, that he didn't realize, that he shouldn't have it done anymore, so clearing it up once it got noticed, is definitely the way to go, as i personally am no fan of punishing someone for a small mistake they've learned from.

Personally, I don't think he should have got the permission in the first place.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Sparrow:

Personally, I don't think he should have got the permission in the first place.

Sure, i agree on that or it should've been allowed to everyone (though i wouldn't be surprised, if Psycho was the only one who even asked). However, since it got allowed, there's no need to now revoke the allowance retrospectively and punish Psycho for doing it under said allowance, which i feel like is what BB wants to happen.

[(TTV)OnBrandRP]

Originally posted by Sparrow:

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Yeah, though to be fair, most people didn't realize this was a thing by only watching Psychos videos and it took BeardedBaron more than half a year himself. I always just thought, that he sat there point 0 o'clock and uploading it like an hour later, because unlike BB, i've not really had any reason to upload a video about it asap, so i wasn't really aware about the discrepancy.



He got the allowance for the first 26 weeks, so there's nothing that deserves to have consequences. As for the time afterwards i could see Psycho being so used to doing it, that he didn't realize, that he shouldn't have it done anymore, so clearing it up once it got noticed, is definitely the way to go, as i personally am no fan of punishing someone for a small mistake they've learned from.

Personally, I don't think he should have got the permission in the first place.

Yeah it screams favoritism. They shouldn't allow one person to do it then not allow others. Either outright ban the exploit from being used or don't.

Tbf I think even banning people for using exploits in these co-op only games is barely an advantage at all. Maybe for like, the very first time players or old veterans rejoining the game after the equip reset but even then that will only last for about, 2 weeks, then they have everything again.

So what exactly is the advantage in doing this outside spoiling the fun of the game for yourself?

Personally I think they should of told Psycho to not do it, don't make videos or streams on it and move on. Then tell the other creators about the exploit and not to do it as well. Since they are adamant on the exploit not being used to any capacity.

Rewatching the video and re-reading the statements, Baron ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up by being extremely passive-aggressive in his responses. Reasonably so to a degree but he was warned he would be banned if he uploaded any videos on the topic, which he did, and then they banned him. Temporary or not his latest video will absolutely ruin any chances and burned every bridge.

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by ModdingNerd:

Personally I think they should of told Psycho to not do it, don't make videos or streams on it and move on. Then tell the other creators about the exploit and not to do it as well. Since they are adamant on the exploit not being used to any capacity.

This is where it rubs me the wrong way. Outside of this whole scenario, it just make me think what else have they been letting their favorites get away with. That's my real takeaway from the whole video.

[DarkStar]

Not surprising considering the devs and their discord have always been this way.

[Emurinus]

While I think both parties are at fault to some extent, I'm probably be more on Baron's side for this. The devs clearly gave Psycho an exception and he ran with it, and once it was out of the bag, the devs admitted to the favoritism even if they stop it going forward. Even if it simply ended right there, that's not a good look for the devs among the other content creators. That all said, I disapprove of Baron trying to repeatedly post the video because it's still intentionally breaking the rules, so while he does have a point, the ban's ultimately justified. I hope it doesn't put Baron within the bad side of the other CCs though.

As far as the devs go, there should probably be some kind of PSA regarding it. They clearly made a mistake, and addressing it is likely their best course of action.

[Virtuous Guard]

I typically find myself on the side of "People are people and they make mistakes and should be allowed to apologize, grow and move on."

That being said, there were definitely faults on both sides. The favoritism, even if given the benefit of the doubt that it may have been somewhat unintentional, was blatant.. But there were many ways Bearded could have gone about addressing it other than what he did.

Having said that.. I also feel a permanent partner ban was an appropriate response to how he was behaving.
If you think of it like a grocery store and Baron and Psycho were cashiers. Psycho got permission one time to leave the premises on the clock to go get some fast food for his break. Bearded caught wind of this a year later and asked the assistant manager about it. He said he knew about it still being done without being asked again but admits he should have put a stop to it sooner. Cashier Psycho disagrees that there is anything wrong with it. The store manager agrees with the assistant manager's stance and puts out an official statement to all employees that it should not be done and anyone caught doing so may be reprimanded accordingly. Baron decides that this is unfair and leaves on the clock to get some food or coffee or whatever. He brags about this to his coworkers in front of management and they ask him to stop. He disregards this and continues bragging. Another warning and he disregards it still and some time later, he once again talks about leaving the store for food. He is showing a blatant disregard of management's wishes and company policy. He has shown himself to be a potential threat to positive work environment and 0 respect for their authority. Any sane manager would let him go, even if with some regrets.
In this scenario, Cashier Bearded should have called HR or The Corporate Office instead.

TL;DR - The favoritism is unacceptable but how Bearded behaved was also unacceptable. He knew this and continued doing so anyway. And the devs are the boss. The boss can always get away with more than the rest.. Even if that concept is stinky. The devs agreed to stop it.

Apologies for the long analogy but I feel like it'd help some people view it from a different angle.

[WolfLink0370]

I personally have no opinion on this matter as I don't tend to watch the bigger content creators and partners of this game. Still... this seems like there has some air to clear.

So I'm just gonna quote Balthier from Final Fantasy 12 - "Believe what you want... whatever it takes to make you happy. What's done is done..."