Shade burned a crucifix while I was standing on top of it?

[Nissan Silvia S15]

Fix it please.

[Bangal]

What do you expect?
Shade wants to hunt. Is in the area of the crucifix and burned it.
That´s how the crucifix work.
I don´t see any problem.

[Watcher Rat]

Originally posted by Nissan Silvia S15:

Fix it please.

So, a lot more info is needed here to nail this down, but I can give some info that might explain it. The crucifix has a pretty large radius that can extend outside of the boundaries of a room...and those boundaries are what's important with a shade. The ghost is an active, invisible entity outside of hunts and events, and is constantly moving around. Now, it cannot hunt if you're inside the same room as it (NOT its favorite room), but the second a Shade sets 1 foot outside of the same room, its restrictions are lifted. If you had a crucifix down that had a radius which extended outside the entryway of the room, and the ghost walked outside and decided to hunt, the crucifix will burn, under your feet or not.

Playing solo, this is a difficult thing to determine since, again, the ghost is invisible and you can only cover a single room at a time. With other players, you can spread out and keep every close option for the Shade to roam to covered by 1 person, and keep it from hunting (or heavily reduce its chances, since it would have to roam further).

[Sir]

Not Going to lie, the way you had it explained says alot more. I even gained insight on shades.

But yeah, even if it wasnt a shade if any ghost decided to hunt and the crucifix was underneath you and for some even in your hand, it would hunt and burn the crucifx.

The crucifix description should also say in the store what its range is if you wish to check, otherwise I'd suggest checking on eof the wikis about the range and so on.

[VulgarMonkey]

Originally posted by Sir:

Not Going to lie, the way you had it explained says alot more. I even gained insight on shades.

But yeah, even if it wasnt a shade if any ghost decided to hunt and the crucifix was underneath you and for some even in your hand, it would hunt and burn the crucifx.

The crucifix description should also say in the store what its range is if you wish to check, otherwise I'd suggest checking on eof the wikis about the range and so on.

Crucifix shows its radius when you go to place it, much like Ghost Writing.

But ultimately yeah this post seems a little brain dead. Shade roamed outside the room player placed the Crucifix, but still within the radius of the Crucifix (which, unlike the Shade's unique hunting properties, isn't limited to the boundaries of the room) and initiated a hunt. Crucifix burned as a result. Pretty simple stuff.

Kind of wish people would consider researching why something happened before immediately blaming the developers.

[Sir]

True the radius does show, but if you are say in the baby room in tanglewood, the radius hovers outside the room mostly too. So its hard to have an idea always.
But yeah, some research does help as well. I find it best to watch like people playing the game or matching up with some people who are higher leveled for some tricks and tips.

[Watcher Rat]

Originally posted by VulgarMonkey:

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Kind of wish people would consider researching why something happened before immediately blaming the developers.

I mean, I do agree that the tone of the OP could have had a lot better phrasing, but we can also give the information without tearing people apart at the same time. We all didn't know this stuff at some point, after all ;)

[FirePenguin]

its also fair to point out there are rooms like the kitchen and dining in tanglewood that count as separate rooms. since you decided not to give anything else but complain its safe to assume you just weren't checking it's other tells so you probably are not that experienced. There are plenty of bugs in this game i come across plenty of ghost that should not have been.

[Nissan Silvia S15]

Originally posted by Watcher Rat:

Originally posted by Nissan Silvia S15:

Fix it please.

So, a lot more info is needed here to nail this down, but I can give some info that might explain it. The crucifix has a pretty large radius that can extend outside of the boundaries of a room...and those boundaries are what's important with a shade. The ghost is an active, invisible entity outside of hunts and events, and is constantly moving around. Now, it cannot hunt if you're inside the same room as it (NOT its favorite room), but the second a Shade sets 1 foot outside of the same room, its restrictions are lifted. If you had a crucifix down that had a radius which extended outside the entryway of the room, and the ghost walked outside and decided to hunt, the crucifix will burn, under your feet or not.

Playing solo, this is a difficult thing to determine since, again, the ghost is invisible and you can only cover a single room at a time. With other players, you can spread out and keep every close option for the Shade to roam to covered by 1 person, and keep it from hunting (or heavily reduce its chances, since it would have to roam further).

Thank you for your insightful answer.

Sorry, I was too tired when I posted this. If this helps, I was level 2567 before reset, currently level I-081 and have 474 hours in the game. Not that much to know everything.

And yeah for context, I was doing the weekly challenge in 10 Ridgeview Court and the ghost room (as also been pointed out by the Ouija board) was in the dining area. I was down between Demon and Shade. I do know Demons can hunt early but I couldn't tell since my sanity dropped when I used the Ouija Board + Ghost did events. I placed the crucifix between the dining chairs and the sofa close to the entrance. The radius only exceeded a bit to the living area so I placed another crucifix on the center table (the mini table) to cover the entire living area. Now if the Shade did hunt from the living area, shouldn't it consume the crucifix that's closer? The second hunt didn't consume the crucifix placed in the living area as it spawned on top of the burned crucifix. So I do not know what to make out of this case anymore.

[Watcher Rat]

Unfortunately I can't answer about the order of crucifixes burning, there could be some reason the other burned first (for instance, if the first one was the one on the left in the van, maybe they burn in order when able? No idea, but it's a possibility). Logically, it should burn the one closest to it, but the answer is more complicated than just that.

The problem is that there's no way to know where the ghost was hunting from, only that it hunted from within the radius of one of the crucifixes. So, on Ridgeview, if the ghost is in that family room area near the fireplace, that means it has a lot of variance in terms of where it can hunt, since the family room, dining room, kitchen, foyer, hallway to the garage, laundry room, and stairs to the basement are all considered different rooms (the stairs are considered the basement et al, as far as I can tell). If I'm picturing your description correctly in my head, then both of the crucifixes were in a pretty close area, to one another.

The main problem with the front rooms in Ridgeview is that the boundaries between rooms are somewhat undefined between the dining room, foyer, and family room; what appears at a glance to be one room is actually considered three. The hallway, basement stairs, and kitchen lines are more defined...but the stairs going up are also considered a whole other room too. So, if you have 1 crucifix on the coffee table in the family room, and the other on the dining room table, you have decent coverage of those two rooms...and you also have coverage on both stairwells, most likely. You also potentially had some coverage into the hall area, or the kitchen, depending on exactly where the crucifix was placed. If you had one on the coffee table, and the other on the couch right by it, there's a possibility that your circle on one or the other was hitting in the foyer, or even through the wall into the utility room.

As mentioned before, all it takes is one step out of the room you're standing in for the ghost to have hunts enabled, but since it's impossible to know where that one step was without the ghost actually going into hunt mode, we can't say for sure if it WAS in the family room, or if it was in one of the other areas adjacent and within range of the crucifix that was under your feet at the time. Add in that the room boundaries are not clearly defined in that front area, and it becomes possible that you weren't standing in the room you thought you were, which means there are even more potential questions about how the ghost hunted. In a lot of ways, for a Shade, you had one of the worst possible locations for it to be just in terms of sheer possibilities.

The map for Ridgeview really helps put all this into perspective...that front area is more complicated than it seems: https://phasmo.karotte.org/maps/10-ridgeview-court/

[Nissan Silvia S15]

Originally posted by Watcher Rat:

In a lot of ways, for a Shade, you had one of the worst possible locations for it to be just in terms of sheer possibilities.
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I guess this just have to be it. Giving you an award for being nice and helpful. :)

[VulgarMonkey]

Originally posted by Watcher Rat:

Originally posted by VulgarMonkey:

(snip)

Kind of wish people would consider researching why something happened before immediately blaming the developers.

I mean, I do agree that the tone of the OP could have had a lot better phrasing, but we can also give the information without tearing people apart at the same time. We all didn't know this stuff at some point, after all ;)

We can, but we shouldn't. When something happened that challenged my understanding of the game (and in fact sometimes still happens) I looked to ask why and update my knowledge. I didn't incorrectly blame a 'broken game'. I'm not going to humour that. If people want to ask questions to find answers, all the power to them. If they want to misinterpret the game working correctly and complain about it, that's different.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Nissan Silvia S15:

Now if the Shade did hunt from the living area, shouldn't it consume the crucifix that's closer? The second hunt didn't consume the crucifix placed in the living area as it spawned on top of the burned crucifix. So I do not know what to make out of this case anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if the crucifixes are individual checks without a distance comparison and the first crucifix which gets checked and is within distance simply get used and it just happened, that the first crucie which got checked in your game being the one in the dining area.

As for the second place, that depends on where exactely you where and where the ghost started in relation to the crucifix. It's hard to guess without exact descriptions.