Tier 2 Thermo is wonky

[trash_boat]

Why does it take forever to get a freezing temp reading on the tier 2 thermo? I've had games where I'd get a negative reading in a few scans. Others where I checked the entire area and never had anything below 5, only for the ghost to have freezing temp as evidence. Genuinely the tier 1 thermo felt more consistent since you can just wait for a negative reading while doing other stuff. What;s even the point of upgrading when tier 2 seems vastly more inconsistent?

[Mandemon]

You do realize that both Tier 1 and Tier 2 thermos measure exact same thing? You aren't meant to repeatedly check Tier 2 thermo in one room, you use it to quickly check multiple rooms.

Rooms cool down as ghost is in them. Both thermos show the same value. Tier 2 can just measure exact temperature in just seconds, while Tier 1 needs time to move up and down on the scale and then settle down.

I swear, people do not understand what "temperature" means anymore.

[Maya-Neko]

Freezing isn't an evidence, which is set to be somewhere at all times, but it's rather just an allowance for the ghost to cool it further down below 1°C (like how it is in real life, just because you've a fridge doesn't mean you've guaranteed 4°C in it, just because you've switched it on a second ago, it always takes time).

That said, if the ghost roams around a lot, then it might take a while, especially on a weather with a higher base temperature (like getting freezing early on snowy weather is easier than on windy or sunrise).

Switching off the breaker might help in finding freezing in such situations faster or simply just wait a littlebit more, as RNG might be nicer in 5 minutes. Instead of trying to use T2 as a way to find the ghost room, rather try to use it multiple times throughout the investigation after verifying the ghost room through other methods.

[trash_boat]

Originally posted by Mandemon:

You do realize that both Tier 1 and Tier 2 thermos measure exact same thing? You aren't meant to repeatedly check Tier 2 thermo in one room, you use it to quickly check multiple rooms.

Rooms cool down as ghost is in them. Both thermos show the same value. Tier 2 can just measure exact temperature in just seconds, while Tier 1 needs time to move up and down on the scale and then settle down.

I swear, people do not understand what "temperature" means anymore.

I'm gonna need you to get your head out of your ass and reread my post again because you obviously missed my point. Even after checking multiple rooms and waiting minutes on end before scanning again, it's wildly inconsistent. Literally had a game where the ghost never changed rooms, I scanned the entire area multiple times throughout the investigation, and not a SINGLE reading dipped below 3 degrees. Ghost turned out to be a revenant. I've literally never had that problem with tier 1 thermo. Yes it can take a bit to get a negative reading with it, but at least I don't have to constantly check it. No ♥♥♥♥ they measure the same thing, but my point is, why upgrade to tier 2 when tier 1 is just better in most regards

[Mandemon]

Originally posted by trash_boat:

I'm gonna need you to get your head out of your ass and reread my post again because you obviously missed my point. Even after checking multiple rooms and waiting minutes on end before scanning again, it's wildly inconsistent. Literally had a game where the ghost never changed rooms, I scanned the entire area multiple times throughout the investigation, and not a SINGLE reading dipped below 3 degrees. Ghost turned out to be a revenant. I've literally never had that problem with tier 1 thermo. Yes it can take a bit to get a negative reading with it, but at least I don't have to constantly check it. No ♥♥♥♥ they measure the same thing, but my point is, why upgrade to tier 2 when tier 1 is just better in most regards

Literally nothing here is indication that T2 thermo is working incorrectly. Temperature of the room is based on ghost being there, if ghost is not there the room heats up. Just because you didn't get below 0 degrees does not mean that thermo was wrong. Even if you had been using Tier 1 thermo, result would have been the same.

Also, you should not be scanning around, only the area the ghost frequents. If you think freezing should be evidence, turn off the breaker and wait a while. Turning off the breaker turns off the heating in the house.

You don't need to check T2 thermo any more than you need to T1 thermo, they function exactly the same. Only difference is that T1 is constantly adjusting its display, while T2 gives you exact temperature at that moment.

[mimzy]

ik a few people including myself that always use T1 thermo over T2.. idk whats wrong with it but its pretty ♥♥♥♥ compared to T1

[LeeIzaZombie]

Originally posted by mimzy:

ik a few people including myself that always use T1 thermo over T2.. idk whats wrong with it but its pretty ♥♥♥♥ compared to T1

The only reason to have a T1 over a T2 is to fire and forget (leave in ghost room) but the T2 works better for quick readings in multiple rooms to find the coldest room, especially on harder difficulties where the ghost changes room a lot

[Tracker]

Freezing is one of those BS evidence types that requires background dice rolls to finally trigger. Hantu, known for being frigid, takes ten minutes before it decides the room needs to be frosty. Make it make sense. Kind of bad you can figure out what the Hantu is from it's breath during a hunt before it gives freezing temps.

[Kaisoku]

Tier 1 thermo is more accurate to getting freezing than either Tier 2 or 3. It's just slower.

Now that I have and tested Tier 3, I've had them both with me on a map (host has tier 1 stuff auto-loading regardless of loadout settings, while I bring tier 3, so we accidentally had both and tested using both).

The Tier 1 has these benefits:
- You can watch, without having to wait for scanning times, to see the mercury falling or increase. You get an IMMEDIATE response to know if the ghost is nearby because the temperature is falling. Doesn't matter it's 18 degress. You immediately see that it goes down to 17, then 16... you are near the ghost/room.
For finding the ghost's location/room, it is more important to know the difference between two readings, which the Tier 1 gives you, passively, immediately.
- You can leave the Tier 1 thermo to passively get colder in a room, not even on your person just thrown on the floor, and it will eventually be brought down to the temperature.
And since it's slow to respond to changes, if the ghost leaves and comes back to the room, it won't go back up quickly, so it can be brought down below freezing.
For getting freezing evidence, the very nature of it's "deficiency" protects it from high variance changes, so it can more readily get to, and stay below freezing.

Compared it to Tier 3, you are at a disadvantage.
Tier 3 either still has a variance in temperatures, or it is highly susceptible to the minor variances of the ghost entering and leaving the room/vicinity of the player. So while the room is heating up and cooling while the ghost moves in and out.. you are getting those numbers precisely: bouncing around these sub 5`C temps but not quite getting below zero.
While the Tier 1 thermo, after being in the room for a few minutes, shows -4 degrees.
This has been my consistent experience with the two tools used together. Tier 3 showing 1.2, 2.4, 0.6, etc. The Tier 1? -4.

There is a fundamental issue with how Temperatures work with the ghost vs how it works with the tools.
A thermometer gun is VERY quick to get the exact temperature of the room.
However, that's not the goal of this game, the goal is to know where temperature is changing (getting lower), and whether it can go below freezing. Neither of those is "the exact temperature right now", except by coincidence or taking multiple readings (hopefully correctly).

My constructive criticism here would be to change the thermo equipment to actually address the game's uses for it. Tier 1 works beautifully. Tier 2 and 3 should change to have the following:
1. An automatic polling setting, so you can turn it on, leave it on the ground/table/etc and have it continuously getting readings over time.
2. Store those readings in some way to give two indications: the lowest/highest readings over time, and the direction of temperature over the last several readings (up, down, staying the same).

Then we can have the improvements over TIers as follows:

Tier 2 would have a slight variance in "real" temperatures and take a good 5 seconds per scan. Then it would need to show a lowest reading/highest reading in the last 10 or 20 readings or so, and an arrow pointing up/down/forward for the direction of temperature over the last 5 readings. Something like that.

Tier 3 would be more precise readings, and take only a second or two between scans. Then it could have a bar graph at the top showing the last 20 readings, so you can visually see if it's going up or down, with a line for where zero is. Maybe a spot for highest and lowest reading stored.

Both of them can be turned off/on again to get a new history for direction and min/max.

This would put it back in line with what actually benefits the player, and make it actually useful over the Tier 1.
If the above suggestions are "too good", then fiddling with the numbers until it gets into a good 'investment risk vs reward' should be fine.. as long as it does what it needs to.

Tier 1 takes a lot longer, but the tradeoff being that it isn't an electronic on the ground boosting a Raiju like the Tier 2 and 3. But if you spend money on the Tier 2 and 3, it should be noticeably better at solving your goals than the Tier 1.

[Mandemon]

Originally posted by Tracker:

Freezing is one of those BS evidence types that requires background dice rolls to finally trigger. Hantu, known for being frigid, takes ten minutes before it decides the room needs to be frosty. Make it make sense. Kind of bad you can figure out what the Hantu is from it's breath during a hunt before it gives freezing temps.

It isn't a dice roll. It's just matter of ghost staying in one place.

[Ripshot Blue]

ive had a match where I had to wait over 10 minutes for T1 thermo to tell me its only 0 degrees after multiple checks for it to lie to me & to be freezing, personal experience isnt the same as actually being better. The only difference between T1 & T2 is how fast it tells you the reading.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Kaisoku:

While the Tier 1 thermo, after being in the room for a few minutes, shows -4 degrees.
This has been my consistent experience with the two tools used together. Tier 3 showing 1.2, 2.4, 0.6, etc. The Tier 1? -4.

Sounds more like the room was already getting hotter, with the T1 thermo being the unprecise one, as it needed to catch up to the actual temperatures. So while you would still think, that the ghost is still in the room when looking at the T1 thermo, the thermo gun could already tell you, that the ghost has already left the room or at least is roaming a lot (maybe even hinting towards Banshee, Phantom or Wraith, if you're playing MP)

And that's pretty much what i see with many things: People just focus on one single item and then expect obviously different items to behave like the first item, when in reality their use cases is simply different. Like the T1 is a throw in and forget item, but if you suspect the ghost having changed rooms in this specific moment, then the old ghost room might still be like -7°C cold and raising, while the new ghost room might just still be on 15°C, since the ghost wasn't as long in that room to begin with, so no matter where you're searching, you'll always getting raising temps for a while, even in the ghost room, until the thermo passed the point of where the rooms starts to be colder than the thermo itself.

And while you wait for the T1 thermo to hit that point, you could probably already get the temps on the new ghost room.

Obviously that's not me telling you, that you should use T3 thermo, but it's more about what kind of playstyle you have, that might benefit more from one or another.

Originally posted by Tracker:

Freezing is one of those BS evidence types that requires background dice rolls to finally trigger. Hantu, known for being frigid, takes ten minutes before it decides the room needs to be frosty. Make it make sense. Kind of bad you can figure out what the Hantu is from it's breath during a hunt before it gives freezing temps.

The ghost can't prevent the room from getting cold. It can only decide to roam out of the room, which inevitably stops the cool down process for a short period of time

[Tracker]

Originally posted by Mandemon:

Originally posted by Tracker:

Freezing is one of those BS evidence types that requires background dice rolls to finally trigger. Hantu, known for being frigid, takes ten minutes before it decides the room needs to be frosty. Make it make sense. Kind of bad you can figure out what the Hantu is from it's breath during a hunt before it gives freezing temps.

It isn't a dice roll. It's just matter of ghost staying in one place.

The ghost room rarely changes and it'll still take you nearly ten minutes to get freezing. Can anyone honestly say their first evidence, right off the bat has been freezing? No. Because the game has to sit there and decide when to trickle out the little bread crumbs to you. Rolling dice over and over until it finally goes "Yeap this is the time they'll get freezing."

[Mandemon]

Originally posted by Tracker:

Originally posted by Mandemon:

It isn't a dice roll. It's just matter of ghost staying in one place.

The ghost room rarely changes and it'll still take you nearly ten minutes to get freezing. Can anyone honestly say their first evidence, right off the bat has been freezing? No. Because the game has to sit there and decide when to trickle out the little bread crumbs to you. Rolling dice over and over until it finally goes "Yeap this is the time they'll get freezing."

Yes. Again, it is not a dice roll, it's matter of ghost staying in the room. It's pretty clear you do not understand how temperatures work.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Tracker:

The ghost room rarely changes and it'll still take you nearly ten minutes to get freezing. Can anyone honestly say their first evidence, right off the bat has been freezing? No. Because the game has to sit there and decide when to trickle out the little bread crumbs to you. Rolling dice over and over until it finally goes "Yeap this is the time they'll get freezing."

At this point i would really like to see a video of how you do your investigations usually, since i can't believe someone being so aggressive towards their own capability of using a thermo.

[Kaisoku]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Originally posted by Kaisoku:

While the Tier 1 thermo, after being in the room for a few minutes, shows -4 degrees.
This has been my consistent experience with the two tools used together. Tier 3 showing 1.2, 2.4, 0.6, etc. The Tier 1? -4.

Sounds more like the room was already getting hotter, with the T1 thermo being the unprecise one, as it needed to catch up to the actual temperatures. So while you would still think, that the ghost is still in the room when looking at the T1 thermo, the thermo gun could already tell you, that the ghost has already left the room or at least is roaming a lot (maybe even hinting towards Banshee, Phantom or Wraith, if you're playing MP)

You are focusing on the wrong aspect of the tool. I want to know if the ghost has freezing temperatures as evidence. There are many ways to know ghost location. Only one tool now to know freezing temperatures.
The Tier 3 was refusing to give me the evidence. The very "deficiency" of Tier 1 was helping provide the evidence.

Tier 3 costs more levels and more money... it should at least be as good at revealing evidence as the Tier 1.