Phasmophobia

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AphTeavana Aug 23, 2023 @ 10:04pm
Why can I never figure out the ghost?
I've played a couple games with friends before and after the major update and we can never figure out the ghost type. Usually this is due to having not enough evidence to make an educated guess. Often just one, two if we're lucky. But today we got an EMF 5 reading and then died trying to get more, only to find out that the ghost was a Demon... which is not listed as having EMF 5 evidence. What gives here? How are we supposed to actually ever guess right if we're barely getting evidence and the stuff we do have marked down are just plain wrong? We play exclusively on amateur ffs...
Last edited by AphTeavana; Aug 24, 2023 @ 7:29pm
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Bangal Aug 23, 2023 @ 10:48pm 
Hi, First you can switch lights on, on korridors to save sanity = more time to search for evidence.
When you have less equipment, theres no need to go everyone in the house. Players who are in the house, but can do nothing (no equip) are only draining the sanity.
Play on Beginner a few contracts and search the room quickly with the thermometer. Do not search for cold temperature, look for the room, where the thermometer go down, thats the ghostroom.
Search for evidence. When you have 2, look which evidence is no longer possible and look for the third one.
Sanity is all. So don´t stand in the house and do nothing. Go outside when you waiting for something (looking for dots or something).
This site will help you to find out, whats the abilities of the ghosts. Sometimes to think which one is it, without the third evidence:
https://un0btanium.github.io/phasmophobia-cheatsheet/
Shurenai Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:08pm 
Originally posted by AphTeavana:
I've played a couple games with friends before and after the major update and we can never figure out the ghost type. Usually this is due to having not enough evidence to make an educated guess. Often just one, two if we're lucky. But today we got an EMF reading and then died trying to get more, only to find out that the ghost was a Demon... which is not listed as having EMF evidence. What gives here? How are we supposed to actually ever guess right if we're barely getting evidence and the stuff we do have marked down are just plain wrong? We play elusively on amateur ffs...
With a tier 1 EMF reader, there's some innaccuracy to it- Namely, the needle bounces/spikes upwards sometime. An EMF reading that averages around 3-4 with an occasional spike to EMF 5 is not EMF 5; You need a reading that averages around 5 with occasional spikes to the end of the meter where it says 'High'.

For freezing, Turn off the breaker; The buildings have heaters and when the breaker is on, the heat is on and warming the entire location slowly; The temps only go down in whatever room the invisible entity is currently in though, so with the power on it takes longer for you to get temps low enough; and if the ghost is roaming enough, it may never spend enough time in any single room to get freezing. The steamy breath your character makes when in a cold room is not itself evidence; You need an actual sub zero reading from the T1 thermometer; The reason for this is that the lowest temps any other ghost can make a room is 0.1c, which you basically can't tell apart from 0.

For fingerprints, Not too much to say here; Just pass UV by any window or light switch or door the ghost touches, try to use salt to get UV footprints(the disturbed salt pile itself is not evidence).. If the ghost can do fingerprints, it's a 100% chance unless it's an Obake or a Mimic mimicking a Obake, at which point it's a 75% chance- Which means yes, if you see a touch and there's no fingerprints, and then see a touch and there are fingerprints, you instantly know the ghost is an Obake or Mimic.

For ghost orb, once you find the ghost's general area, check it for orbs- Easy peasy. It's the only evidence that is always in the ghost's current favorite room, and ONLY in the ghost's current favorite room- so if it changes favorite room, the orb moves too. As an added note, the cursed mirror will always show the room that the ghost orb would be in if it's an orb ghost.

For Dots, especially the T1 version, Set up some motion sensors and tuck yourself in the corner in whatever room has the most activity. The way Dots works now is the ghost has occasional periods of dots visibility, during which it is visible via dots lighting; During this period the ghost will also path directly* towards the nearest** player. So long as you're in the corner and pointing towards the rough area of the room the ghost is in (which you use motion sensors to help keep track of, since it's invisible), you'll get it sooner than later.
*The ghost will path around any intervening obstacles
**If it's a banshee, it will always path towards it's target if they're in the house, even if they aren't the closest.

For Ghost Writing, Always place one of your books at the entrance to whatever room you think is the ghost room, right in the threshold on either side so any time the ghost wants to leave the room it must pass by the book. Place the other in the most active area, and remove other interactable objects like cups shoes plates etc from the area- Writing is itself an interaction, so by removing all or most of the other interactions in the area you increase the likelihood of the ghost writing in the book.

For spirit box, Unless you're on amateur or intermediate where the game tells you whether the ghost will answer only when you're alone or if it'll answer even if other players are in the room, assume it's the former; Clear the room of other players, turn off the light, and get to asking questions. Stand just inside the doorway if the ghost roams a lot as it increases the likelihood of catching it in range, and move towards any activity in the unlit room while asking questions to increase the likelihood of you being in the range too; move to the activity, ask a couple questions, move back to the door, repeat.


Think that more or less covers things.
Hammer Of Evil Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:15pm 
Originally posted by AphTeavana:
I've played a couple games with friends before and after the major update and we can never figure out the ghost type. Usually this is due to having not enough evidence to make an educated guess. Often just one, two if we're lucky. But today we got an EMF reading and then died trying to get more, only to find out that the ghost was a Demon... which is not listed as having EMF evidence. What gives here? How are we supposed to actually ever guess right if we're barely getting evidence and the stuff we do have marked down are just plain wrong? We play exclusively on amateur ffs...

edit: basically, forget what you learned before, its a different game now. tools work differently, ghosts have different behaviors now.

idk if you've played before you should know the basics. i dont know what to say here.
Last edited by Hammer Of Evil; Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:17pm
Watcher Rat Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:32pm 
Originally posted by AphTeavana:
I've played a couple games with friends before and after the major update and we can never figure out the ghost type. Usually this is due to having not enough evidence to make an educated guess. Often just one, two if we're lucky. But today we got an EMF reading and then died trying to get more, only to find out that the ghost was a Demon... which is not listed as having EMF evidence. What gives here? How are we supposed to actually ever guess right if we're barely getting evidence and the stuff we do have marked down are just plain wrong? We play exclusively on amateur ffs...
I do feel it's worth mentioning, since I'm not sure how experienced you are either, that the EMF readers will always react to ghost interactions and events even if EMF 5 is not a possible evidence. You will get EMF 2 for doors opening and window/box touches, EMF 3 for thrown objects, and EMF 4 for ghost events, but it will never go true EMF 5 obviously.

If you're really struggling with getting evidence, I would watch some of the streamers out there who play the game a lot - there are quite a few of them who will explain why something works or why it doesn't, or why a ghost's actions rule it out, to their chat as they play, and it's incredibly informative. Once you get over that initial learning curve, the game opens up a lot.
Bangal Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:36pm 
@shurenai: Turning off the breaker is not a good idea.
I use thermometer T1 and for example in Tanglewood i find the ghostroom in 1 or 2 minutes max.
When breaker is off, you need to wait for freezing. That takes even longer, up 5 or 10 minutes.
You only go from room to room and look where the thermometer go down. That´s why i use the T1 instead of T2 or T3.
Also when breaker is off, you have no lights in the house = faster sanity drain.
I know many people play with lights off, but i don´t know why. I love my sanity ^^
Shurenai Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:53pm 
Originally posted by Bangal:
@shurenai: Turning off the breaker is not a good idea.
I use thermometer T1 and for example in Tanglewood i find the ghostroom in 1 or 2 minutes max.
When breaker is off, you need to wait for freezing. That takes even longer, up 5 or 10 minutes.
You only go from room to room and look where the thermometer go down. That´s why i use the T1 instead of T2 or T3.
Also when breaker is off, you have no lights in the house = faster sanity drain.
I know many people play with lights off, but i don´t know why. I love my sanity ^^
For finding the ghost room, the breaker on is good- For finding freezing temps, breaker on is bad; For the reasons I described.

Nothing stopping you from stepping out of the house for a few minutes to preserve your sanity while temps drop, but, you're literally sabotaging your attempts to get freezing temps if the breaker is on.
Last edited by Shurenai; Aug 23, 2023 @ 11:53pm
Bangal Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:00am 
You missunderstood me:
I don´t look for freezing. I want to find the ghostroom very fast.
When found, i lay down the thermometer in the room. Then when it´s freezing, i see it.
Meanwhile i can search for other evidence, because i found the room.
First waiting for freezing takes too much time :)
AND i have light in the house for more sanity ^^
btw, the ghostroom cools down, if the breaker is on or off.
weiss Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:13am 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Originally posted by Bangal:
@shurenai: Turning off the breaker is not a good idea.
I use thermometer T1 and for example in Tanglewood i find the ghostroom in 1 or 2 minutes max.
When breaker is off, you need to wait for freezing. That takes even longer, up 5 or 10 minutes.
You only go from room to room and look where the thermometer go down. That´s why i use the T1 instead of T2 or T3.
Also when breaker is off, you have no lights in the house = faster sanity drain.
I know many people play with lights off, but i don´t know why. I love my sanity ^^
For finding the ghost room, the breaker on is good- For finding freezing temps, breaker on is bad; For the reasons I described.
just saying, its totally irrelevant if the breaker is on or not.
the ghost will do freezing temps regardless if the breaker is on or not.
i dont know who told you that it is bad to have the breaker on but i can tell you, that person told you nonsense.

you do not get faster the freezing temp evidence with breaker off. thats absolute nonsense. the ghost will cool the room down bellow 0 and it will stay for several minutes like that, doesnt matters if the breaker is on or not.
Last edited by weiss; Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:14am
Shurenai Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:25am 
Originally posted by Bangal:
You missunderstood me:
I don´t look for freezing. I want to find the ghostroom very fast.
When found, i lay down the thermometer in the room. Then when it´s freezing, i see it.
Meanwhile i can search for other evidence, because i found the room.
First waiting for freezing takes too much time :)
AND i have light in the house for more sanity ^^
btw, the ghostroom cools down, if the breaker is on or off.
The room the invisible entity is in cools down even if the breaker is on; But the reason it takes too much time for you to get freezing is because the breaker is on.

Let me put it this way;
Wherever the invisible entity currently is, whichever room it's roaming in, will be gradually cooling down. NOT the ghost's favorite room, but the room the entity currently is; if it steps into another room, the room it was in stops getting cold and the room it steps into starts getting cold.

Let's say for sake of example it's lowering the temps in the room it currently is in by 0.29c per minute.

Meanwhile, the heater is raising temperatures in every room of the house at a rate of, for sake of example, 0.1c.

What this means is, if the ghost is residing fully and entirely in just one room, having the breaker on is making the time taken to achieve freezing temps take about 33% longer. It'll happen; Eventually.

If the ghost is splitting it's time equally between two rooms, it's now lowering temps in both rooms by about .045c/s(0.29/2=0.145c, minus the 0.1c raise in temperature from the heater=0.045. 0.29/0.045=6.4x), so it's taking a little over six times as long to get freezing temps. This is the most common scenario, Pretty much every ghost in the game spends it's time in at least two rooms; It's not necessarily an equal split, but you hopefully get the point by example.

Introduce a third(fourth and beyond too) room with these example temperatures, however, and now if the ghost is roughly splitting it's time equally amongst them, you will never see freezing temps at that point without turning the breaker off.

Meanwhile, With the breaker OFF, The temperatures will gradually fall from whatever temperature they're at down to the ambient temperature of the map as determined by weather effects; snowy is super cold for example; Which means breaker off actively accelerates the temperature drop in the room the invisible entity is down to a certain point.


You can turn the breaker on and find the room very fast, yes; And then you can turn it off and get freezing temps very fast too.


To be clear, I'm not advocating for you to search for freezing first- I'm saying if your goal is to find freezing temps, Having the breaker on is actively sabotaging your goal. Having the breaker on with a heavily roaming ghost can make it literally impossible to get freezing temps even if it's a freezing ghost.


Originally posted by weiss:
Originally posted by Shurenai:
For finding the ghost room, the breaker on is good- For finding freezing temps, breaker on is bad; For the reasons I described.
just saying, its totally irrelevant if the breaker is on or not.
the ghost will do freezing temps regardless if the breaker is on or not.
i dont know who told you that it is bad to have the breaker on but i can tell you, that person told you nonsense.

you do not get faster the freezing temp evidence with breaker off. thats absolute nonsense. the ghost will cool the room down bellow 0 and it will stay for several minutes like that, doesnt matters if the breaker is on or not.
Read the above. But as a TL;DR: As I said in the first post, the buildings have heaters; With the breaker on the temperatures in the house are actively rising towards 15-18c, Which slows down the rate at which the ghost lowers the temperature in the room by subtractive effect; Temp goes up house wide by, eg, 0.1c/min, ghost brings it down in the room it's in by 0.29c/min, the result is it takes it takes 33~% longer per minute to get freezing temps, and that's if the ghost never leaves the room it is in.

Meanwhile, having the breaker OFF lets the whole house gradually cool off down to the map's ambient temperature as modified by the weather- Which accelerates the rate temps drop in the room with the invisible entity down to a certain temperature(IE, for snow, it gets down pretty cold without the breaker on, even if the ghost isn't in the room being measured)

It is ABSOLUTELY relevant whether the breaker is on. The breaker doesn't have to be off to get freezing temperatures if the circumstances are right; But it damn sure makes it easier to GET freezing temperatures, and can prevent you from being bamboozled for 30 minutes by a ghost that's just not spending enough time in any single room to give you temps.
Last edited by Shurenai; Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:38am
Bangal Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:38am 
I give up. You don´t understand that i´m NOT waiting for freezing!
I find the room very quickly (with the T1) because it took 1 or 2 seconds in every room to see if the thermometer goes down. At the beginning the ghost is always in his room.
Other rooms go up to exactly 20 degrees. When i get down to 19 or 18 degrees, i found it.
Then i throw it in the room, NOT waiting for freezing, and get all the other equipment i need.
From time to time i look at the thermometer.
I do this every contract the last 2 days and it works 100%.
Shurenai Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by Bangal:
I give up. You don´t understand that i´m NOT waiting for freezing!
I find the room very quickly (with the T1) because it took 1 or 2 seconds in every room to see if the thermometer goes down. At the beginning the ghost is always in his room.
Other rooms go up to exactly 20 degrees. When i get down to 19 or 18 degrees, i found it.
Then i throw it in the room, NOT waiting for freezing, and get all the other equipment i need.
From time to time i look at the thermometer.
I do this every contract the last 2 days and it works 100%.
Hey man, You do you. But when you run into a heavy roaming ghost and get bamboozled on temps, Don't come complaining. :conwayshrug: Your way does generally work when the ghost just sits around in it's room and doesn't do much; But it is absolutely vulnerable to uncooperative ghosts.
weiss Aug 24, 2023 @ 1:02am 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Originally posted by Bangal:
I give up. You don´t understand that i´m NOT waiting for freezing!
I find the room very quickly (with the T1) because it took 1 or 2 seconds in every room to see if the thermometer goes down. At the beginning the ghost is always in his room.
Other rooms go up to exactly 20 degrees. When i get down to 19 or 18 degrees, i found it.
Then i throw it in the room, NOT waiting for freezing, and get all the other equipment i need.
From time to time i look at the thermometer.
I do this every contract the last 2 days and it works 100%.
Hey man, You do you. But when you run into a heavy roaming ghost and get bamboozled on temps, Don't come complaining. :conwayshrug: Your way does generally work when the ghost just sits around in it's room and doesn't do much; But it is absolutely vulnerable to uncooperative ghosts.
what you write makes still no sense.
again, the ghost will do freezing temps. it doesnt matters if the breaker is on or not.
again, the room will aswell stay for several minutes under 0 even with the breaker on.

your method to keep the breaker off is even more worse when you look for the ghost room since the ghost would cool multible rooms down just above the freezing point.
thats why you have the breaker on when you look for the room. if you have the breaker off is it in all rooms cold and thats something which you dont want.

i watch nearly daily insym and psycho and both of them say that it is way better to keep they breaker on and that from a person which has over 6000hours playtime on the game.
Last edited by weiss; Aug 24, 2023 @ 1:02am
Mandemon Aug 24, 2023 @ 1:07am 
When you search for ghost room, Breaker on is important. You want other rooms to heat up while the ghost room remains cold. You want a clear temperature difference.

Breaker off only if you are either checking for Jinn or if you are trying to speed up cooling to see if it is freezing. However, you can generally just drop thermo in the room and go do other stuff, and still get freezing.
Shurenai Aug 24, 2023 @ 1:10am 
Originally posted by weiss:
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Hey man, You do you. But when you run into a heavy roaming ghost and get bamboozled on temps, Don't come complaining. :conwayshrug: Your way does generally work when the ghost just sits around in it's room and doesn't do much; But it is absolutely vulnerable to uncooperative ghosts.
what you write makes still no sense.
again, the ghost will do freezing temps. it doesnt matters if the breaker is on or not.
again, the room will aswell stay for several minutes under 0 even with the breaker on.

your method to keep the breaker off is even more worse when you look for the ghost room since the ghost would cool multible rooms down just above the freezing point.
thats why you have the breaker on when you look for the room. if you have the breaker off is it in all rooms cold and thats something which you dont want.

i watch nearly daily insym and psycho and both of them say that it is way better to keep they breaker on and that from a person which has over 6000hours playtime on the game.
It's basic math. If it doesn't make sense not much I can do to help you. I see people complaining about the difficulty of getting freezing quite often; I meanwhile never have any problems with it- If I don't already have freezing by the time I think I need to be looking for it, I turn the breaker off for a couple minutes and if it's still not there, I know it's not freezing. I've yet to have a ghost bamboozle me or make a match stretch for 30+ minutes because it refused to give me freezing.

Again, No, Having the breaker on does not somehow PREVENT freezing temps; But it DOES make it take longer to occur, and CAN, if the ghost is roaming through enough different rooms, make it essentially impossible to get freezing temps with the breaker on.

Yes, IF the ghost is lingering in a room long enough to show freezing temps with the breaker on, it's likely to stay that low- Because the ghost is lingering in that room enough to get it to below 0 even with the ambient temperature rise afforded by the breaker.

But when you've got a ghost that you're pretty sure could be freezing and it's just stubbornly refusing to provide it, Turning the breaker off will absolutely make a difference. And in general, breaker off will get you freezing temps way faster, way more consistently, and you can do it whenever you feel comfortable doing it so you dont waste any sanity or whatever.

Generally, it IS better for the breaker to be on. But having it off for a minute or two to force temps is a valuable tool in your arsenal; Use it or not, that's up to you.
Last edited by Shurenai; Aug 24, 2023 @ 3:49am
Bangal Aug 24, 2023 @ 1:24am 
Last try, in words i hope you understand:
It - doesn´t - matter - how - long - it - takes - to - get - freezing !

It´s important to find the ghostroon quickly.
While YOU looking for freezing in the darkness, I have all the items for evidence in the room (with light).
There´s no math, roaming doesn´t matter, but sanity does !

To get freezing after 2 minutes or after 15. It´s the same !

I can show you in an Discord, when you don´t believe us, if you want.
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