What?

[Ms. Hyde]

When in multiplayer you can only use 1 flashlight at the very start despite having multiple people. At least in the original game you gave everyone a flipping flashlight. I get stuck on the initialising screen and have to restart, I get stuck on the connecting screen for multiplayer and have to restart. I get stuck trying to enter my lobby code and have to restart then I get stuck in the truck while my partner gets kicked. Not to mention grinding for weeks/months to make it over level 1000 just to have my legacy badge say 279 with absolutely no customisation options.

[[IDN/IDR] Átlās]

there are 2 hot fixes after ASCENSION update, STEAM verify files integrity and restarting PC or even internet connection might fix end user (us, players) those problems.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

yes, they were added to the truck FROM HIS OWN INVENTORY.

that's why there is a plus and a minus sign next to each item, BECAUSE YOU CAN REMOVE THEM AND PUT THEM BACK IN YOUR INVENTORY.

EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN THE TRUCK HAS TO BE ADDED FROM SOMEONES INVENTORY.

it's always been that way.

even shows it in the video you posted and like i said, (this confirmed my original theory,) the base items ARE AUTOMATICALLY ADDED WHEN STARTING A NEW GAME.

which is why they were in the list.

wanna question someones sanity?

look in the mirror, i've literally played this game since it first dropped and every item has always had to be added.

it's just that you started your first game and didn't take note of what you were adding, most likely died, and lost all of your gear.

like you said: the truck had all the base items when you started, <that's because it automatically adds them on your first game just like it did in the video you posted.

actually, thinking back it wasn't even just your first game it did that on.

im pretty sure it would add the default items no matter what as long as you had them in your inventory.

you just didn't lose things when you died before.

:conwayfacepalm: I don't even know where to begin. Yes, It auto-adds the items when starting a game- And it has always done so. Because they are not the PLAYERS items. It's a default pre-fab loadout that is ALWAYS in the truck whether you die or not, whether you add your own items or not- They're there.

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

actually, thinking back it wasn't even just your first game it did that on.

im pretty sure it would add the default items no matter what as long as you had them in your inventory.

you just didn't lose things when you died before.

This, This right here is you ALMOST getting it. Almost. Yes, It has always added that default list of items- One of each evidence item, one photo cam, one flashlight. That's literally what I've been saying- Those are the starter items. They are ALWAYS there, You CANT lose them because they do not belong to any player- They're just always in the truck, just like now in 2023; The truck has a default/starter loadout so even when you have NO items and NO money due to a series of deaths you can still play and complete contracts to earn money again.

And yes, When you died in the 2020 version of phas, You lost items. Just not the default starter truck items; Because you cant lose them- Because they arent the players items.

I can't even. :conwayheadscratch:

uh if you go into your inventory back then and remove those items from the list they go into the players inventory, meaning they were your items.

i said this already but i'll say it again, YOU USED TO NOT LOSE STARTER ITEMS.

NOW YOU DO, YOU DID BEFORE THIS UPDATE AS WELL.

THEY ADDED THE LOSS OF ITEMS WITH THE INVENTORY AND MAIN MENU UPDATE, WHICH IS WHEN IM PRETTY SURE YOU STARTED PLAYING THE GAME.

before that update, you would not lose those items.

AFTER THAT UPDATE, IT EXPLICITLY SAID IN THE UPDATE LOG THAT YOU WILL NOW LOSE STARTER ITEMS.

it has been this way for a while now.

any time you joined a game and there was those starter items, they were in fact ADDED BY THE HOST.

FROM THEIR OWN INVENTORY.

yes, they were originally starter items that you could not lose, but you literally said and i quote:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I'd more be questioning what version You started on; The version I began on also only gave you one flashlight. Players have not, at any point in phas history that I'm aware of, begun with ANY items, Not even flashlights.

The truck, Specifically the truck, has always had a baseline loadout of 1 of each evidence item, and one flashlight. Everything else was extra and added by the players; but the player has to have purchased the flashlight first.

this is 100% false.

those "truck items" were player inventory items.

they are added at the start of the lobby before you even start the mission, and COULD BE REMOVED AND PUT BACK IN YOUR INVENTORY, meaning NOT truck items.

we have always had the starter items up until this update.

we didn't start losing them until the update where they overhauled the shop, AND IF YOU LOST THEM, YOU COULD ACTUALLY START GAMES WITHOUT THEM.

have done so numerous times.

btw, you also said that we only get a flashlight lmao.

fun fact: the weak flashlight is also a starter item, so who does it belong too?

the truck or the player?

fun fact, the truck doesn't own any of those items, THEY ALL BELONG TO THE HOST.

[Shaken_Widow]

let me just reiterate my point that Shurenai doesn't know what they're trying to say:

first they say:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

The version I began on also only gave you one flashlight.

and in the SAME PARAGRAPH:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Players have not, at any point in phas history that I'm aware of, begun with ANY items, Not even flashlights.

to better point it out:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Not even flashlights.

and for final clarification:

ALL THE STARTER ITEMS WERE NOT TRUCK ITEMS, THEY ARE PLAYER INVENTORY ITEMS THAT ARE AUTOMATICALLY ADDED AT THE START OF A LOBBY, YOU CAN REMOVE THEM AND PUT THEM BACK IN YOUR INVENTORY, THUS PROVING SHURENAI COMPLETELY WRONG.

idek why they're arguing with people who have literally played this game since it first dropped.

shurenai admittedly didn't start until after the inventory overhaul, yet they know more about the game from before that update than people who actually played before then?

[Víєгα Ɍόѕє]

So when the game first released it was always 1 Flashlight, 1 book, 1 emf, 1 video camera, 1 Spirit Box, 1 UV, 1 Dots Was added after they were added to the game but outside of that those items were always base. You were never given 4 flashlights for everyone to begin with. Now if you wanted 4 flashlights you had to add them

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Viera:

So when the game first released it was always 1 Flashlight, 1 book, 1 emf, 1 video camera, 1 Spirit Box, 1 UV, 1 Dots Was added after they were added to the game but outside of that those items were always base. You were never given 4 flashlights for everyone to begin with. Now if you wanted 4 flashlights you had to add them

yes, and they ALL came from the hosts inventory when starting the server HENCE why there was an option to remove them from the inventory list.

that plus and minus icon is really lost on some people i swear.

shurenai is saying they came from the truck exclusively.

they didn't.

always came from the players inventory.

you could actually go into the inventory menu back then AND SEE THEM in your inventory.

idk why shurenai is so adamant that they're right when they're just confidently wrong.

especially when in their first paragraph they say we didn't start with any items, only flashlights, but not even flashlights lmao.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

idek why they're arguing with people who have literally played this game since it first dropped.

shurenai admittedly didn't start until after the inventory overhaul, yet they know more about the game from before that update than people who actually played before then?

You need to go back and reread my post; I said I started Before the inventory overhaul. Not after.

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Ms. Hyde:

Maybe you just couldn't figure out how to add it or make it work. Seems plausible

Mmmm, If i'd begun playing after the updates to the shop UI, that might be some kind of plausible. But nope, Been playing basically since the game released into early access- You know, Back when the shop was perfect according to the people who hate the new shop UI. Would be pretty un-plausible to have been unable to figure out how to click the + icon next to "Flashlight" to add it to the truck back then. Quadruply so for noone in my group to have been able to figure it out.

As for this,

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

idk why shurenai is so adamant that they're right when they're just confidently wrong.

especially when in their first paragraph they say we didn't start with any items, only flashlights, but not even flashlights lmao.

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Ms. Hyde:

Not sure what version you started with but each player got a crappy flashlight when I first started.

I'd more be questioning what version You started on; The version I began on also only gave you one flashlight. Players have not, at any point in phas history that I'm aware of, begun with ANY items, Not even flashlights.

The truck, Specifically the truck, has always had a baseline loadout of 1 of each evidence item, and one flashlight. Everything else was extra and added by the players; but the player has to have purchased the flashlight first.

I'll grant that my phrasing here was poor- But I'd like to think those with some basic levels of reading comprehension who actually read both paragraphs would understand that the 'one flashlight' I mentioned in the first paragraph is in fact, or at the very least most probably the same 'one flashlight' I mention in the second paragraph.

I'm done arguing with a wall that isn't even reading what I write properly- I'll admit I'm not perfect, but damn. So sure, You're right. Have a good day.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

idek why they're arguing with people who have literally played this game since it first dropped.

shurenai admittedly didn't start until after the inventory overhaul, yet they know more about the game from before that update than people who actually played before then?

You need to go back and reread my post; I said I started Before the inventory overhaul. Not after.

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Mmmm, If i'd begun playing after the updates to the shop UI, that might be some kind of plausible. But nope, Been playing basically since the game released into early access- You know, Back when the shop was perfect according to the people who hate the new shop UI. Would be pretty un-plausible to have been unable to figure out how to click the + icon next to "Flashlight" to add it to the truck back then. Quadruply so for noone in my group to have been able to figure it out.

As for this,

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

idk why shurenai is so adamant that they're right when they're just confidently wrong.

especially when in their first paragraph they say we didn't start with any items, only flashlights, but not even flashlights lmao.

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I'd more be questioning what version You started on; The version I began on also only gave you one flashlight. Players have not, at any point in phas history that I'm aware of, begun with ANY items, Not even flashlights.

The truck, Specifically the truck, has always had a baseline loadout of 1 of each evidence item, and one flashlight. Everything else was extra and added by the players; but the player has to have purchased the flashlight first.

I'll grant that my phrasing here was poor- But I'd like to think those with some basic levels of reading comprehension who actually read both paragraphs would understand that the 'one flashlight' I mentioned in the first paragraph is in fact, or at the very least most probably the same 'one flashlight' I mention in the second paragraph.

I'm done arguing with a wall that isn't even reading what I write properly- I'll admit I'm not perfect, but damn. So sure, You're right. Have a good day.

you literally said that we don't start with ANY ITEMS and then went on to say that we get a flashlight. - IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH, ill post it again

Originally posted by Shurenai:

The version I began on also only gave you one flashlight.

and in the SAME PARAGRAPH:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Players have not, at any point in phas history that I'm aware of, begun with ANY items, Not even flashlights.

you literally said we never started with starter items, then changed your story to say we started with a flashlight IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH, and THEN you went on to try and say those were the truck items.

no, they're the HOSTS ITEMS, they came FROM THE HOSTS INVENTORY, SAME PLACE AS THE STARTER FLASHLIGHT and are AUTOMATICALLY ADDED AT THE START OF THE LOBBY, YOU COULD IN FACT REMOVE THEM AND START WITH NOTHING ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THERE WAS A FRIGGIN EVENT WHERE YOU HAD TO START WITH NOTHING AND FIGURE OUT THE GHOST.

not only were you contradictory of your original statement, you were flat out wrong.

the video you YOURSELF POSTED, shows that the starter items came from his own inventory.

they are not "truck items" as you called them.

they are the HOSTS STARTER ITEMS.

of which back then we couldn't lose whatsoever.

i get you're trying to say that that meant they weren't our items, but you could LITERALLY REMOVE THEM FROM THE LIST AND WHERE DID THEY GO?

INTO YOUR INVENTORY.

we have ALWAYS had starter items, you claimed we didn't.

also, as for this:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

You need to go back and reread my post; I said I started Before the inventory overhaul. Not after.

you actually never stated when you started playing anywhere in this thread originally when i made that comment.

i literally said "i assume you started playing when the inventory update dropped" because i was assuming based off of your comment that you didn't have starter items, that you simply lost them after the update that made it possible to lose the starter items, which was the inventory update.

before then, you wouldn't lose your starter items, NOW YOU DO, further proof that they were our items and not truck items, although i think being able to remove them from the list and seeing them in our actual inventory is proof enough.

end of discussion, the proof is in the thread.

[Víєгα Ɍόѕє]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by Viera:

So when the game first released it was always 1 Flashlight, 1 book, 1 emf, 1 video camera, 1 Spirit Box, 1 UV, 1 Dots Was added after they were added to the game but outside of that those items were always base. You were never given 4 flashlights for everyone to begin with. Now if you wanted 4 flashlights you had to add them

yes, and they ALL came from the hosts inventory when starting the server HENCE why there was an option to remove them from the inventory list.

that plus and minus icon is really lost on some people i swear.

shurenai is saying they came from the truck exclusively.

they didn't.

always came from the players inventory.

you could actually go into the inventory menu back then AND SEE THEM in your inventory.

idk why shurenai is so adamant that they're right when they're just confidently wrong.

especially when in their first paragraph they say we didn't start with any items, only flashlights, but not even flashlights lmao.

Correct, thats why I said what I said? You start with those items but they weren't from the truck, they were base for the player. In order to add more Flashlights though for the other 3 players who joined you, you need to purchase them and add them in. lol