Smudge Sticks Issue?

[SevenBones]

Today I tried to escape the ghost during hunting phase with the smudge sticks.
First time on High school: the ghost continued following me after using smudge sticks.
Second Time the ghost killed me with burning smudge sticks in my hand after two seconds.
Third time on Tanglewood, I saw the ghost running to me, I used the smudge sticks in my hand, and the ghost ran to me and killed me instantly.
Using smudge sticks should repell the ghost for 5 seconds not able to kill me.
This is not working at the moment on beta build.
Thanks for reading.

[VG.Twilight]

I haven't played on the beta server in a while but I'm pretty sure the smudge only prevents it from spawning for 5 seconds, but has no effect after a spawn. I could be wrong, but this is how I've always understood it.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Smudge sticks don't instantly stop the ghost from finding you. They can still check around the last place they saw you, and if you don't break LoS, it's as if the 5 seconds didn't happen anyways. It's also worth remembering that they wander in a random direction. "Random" can still mean towards.

But as for them not working? I had them work as expected in 6 different games tonight across 14 different hunts. The only thing I can really come up with is that either you were in a hacked lobby where the cheater made ghosts not be affected by Smudges, or the Smudge ran out before the ghost reached it.

[RedEssence]

When attempting to smudge the ghost during a hunt, this is the best way I've found for 100% results.

Try to follow these steps:

The ghost is actively chasing you and in view
While in view light the smudge while looking at them
Hold your gaze on them with the smudge active

After a couple seconds it should be stunned for 5-6 seconds, this is your time to run away

This method has never failed on me

[RedEssence]

Originally posted by VG.TDMimer:

I haven't played on the beta server in a while but I'm pretty sure the smudge only prevents it from spawning for 5 seconds, but has no effect after a spawn. I could be wrong, but this is how I've always understood it.

Smudge sticks prevent the ghost from spawning for 1 minute and 30 seconds if burned in the ghost room.

If you properly use it during a hunt you can stun the ghost for 5 seconds giving you that much more time to run away

[Shrub]

You don't have to look at them like Red said, but I think the ghost at least needs line of sight for it to work. Don't throw the smudge at the ghost because it's really inconsistent while holding it works every time (Worth adding the ghost will wander a random direction for those 5 seconds, and that also includes walking straight towards you so bend a corner asap).

If you want a more extensive understanding of smudge, you can watch Psycho on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcG1KDw3N2s). Much to the credit of his title, this dude has 300+ hours on this game and most of it has been documenting little things like this. Bless the man.

[SevenBones]

I saw all of Psychos videos, and I understood how it works.
But my point is:
Psycho says (and this is also said in the Patchnotes): During the 5 seconds of stun the ghost shouldn't be able to kill you, even if you touch it.
But that just happened to me a few times.
The ghost killed me with burning smudges in my Hand!

Maybe I just need a little more practice...

Thanks for your answers!

[Shrub]

Originally posted by SevenBones:

During the 5 seconds of stun the ghost shouldn't be able to kill you, even if you touch it.
But that just happened to me a few times.
The ghost killed me with burning smudges in my Hand!

Report it in the bugs section, since I imagine things break on beta all the time. That definitely shouldn't happen.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by SevenBones:

During the 5 seconds of stun the ghost shouldn't be able to kill you, even if you touch it.

Hmm, I don't remember seeing that at all in the patch notes. Can you quote the patch? IME, Ghosts will always kill you the instant they touch you, even if they are smudged. Psycho may be mistaken.

[Shrub]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by SevenBones:

During the 5 seconds of stun the ghost shouldn't be able to kill you, even if you touch it.

Hmm, I don't remember seeing that at all in the patch notes. Can you quote the patch? IME, Ghosts will always kill you the instant they touch you, even if they are smudged. Psycho may be mistaken.

Not true. The banshee for instance will not kill anyone except its target unless the target is outside the house. You can jelk with your friends all night long in the hallways while the target hides and the banshee will never kill you even if it runs through you (what a sensation!)

[DasaKamov]

Fair, but isn't it possible that's just another unique aspect of the Banshee, the ghost-that-breaks-all-the-rules? ;)

[SevenBones]

But if the Banshee use its Ability to teleport, she will port to you and instantly start a hunt.
No matter if you have 100 sanity. If her target is not in the building, be prepared^^
She will choose another one.
(btw: if you get a hunt within a minute after entering the building: It's a banshee^^)

I experienced it in many situations: a ghost stunned by smudge can not kill you in these 5 seconds. Even if you touch it. But sometimes, the burning sticks in your hand seem not to work.

I did a couple of tests tonight. It seems to be the best way to wait until the ghost see you. then use smudge and break LOS. Do not drop the sticks.
Just run.
This worked for me on every map. Tonight.

[Marlex]

Banshees walk up to a point and wait there for 20 seconds for you to enter their line of sight, so no teleportation here.
However, I'm glad you figured out what works for you. Give them hell!

[SevenBones]

Wrong. Banshees can teleport to their target and instantly start a hunt. That is the reason why you can get a hunt within seconds after entering a house first time, no matter about your sanity.
Check out Psychos video guides for proof.
Many players do not know this.
Banshees do not walk around. The ghost you mean is the Phantom.
Phantom walks around toward the players and wait for LOS for 20 seconds.
(Wraith can walk around either, but I don't know his mechanics yet.)

Thank you, I will give them hell!

[Shrub]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Fair, but isn't it possible that's just another unique aspect of the Banshee, the ghost-that-breaks-all-the-rules? ;)

I guess you'll have to go test it with some smudge to really learn ;)

[kuraiken]

Originally posted by SevenBones:

Wrong. Banshees can teleport to their target and instantly start a hunt. That is the reason why you can get a hunt within seconds after entering a house first time, no matter about your sanity.
Check out Psychos video guides for proof.
Many players do not know this.
Banshees do not walk around. The ghost you mean is the Phantom.
Phantom walks around toward the players and wait for LOS for 20 seconds.
(Wraith can walk around either, but I don't know his mechanics yet.)

Thank you, I will give them hell!

That's inaccurate. Phantoms teleport to a location and leave an EMF signal, they do not walk towards you.

As for smudging ghosts, it's based on the smudgestick's fog from what I can see.
This means if you have a smudgestick that's active and you walk into a ghost, you can manage to connect with the ghost before the smudgestick's fog registeres and its smudged. (You die.)

Also, after smudging a ghost, the ghost is briefly unsmudgeable and 5 seconds is not a long time. If you smudge a ghost that's following you, the ghost can end up still walking in your direction. After a few moments, he becomes immune to the effect and you die.

It's possible that there's a bug with smudgesticks on the beta, but I did multiple smudgings today and didn't die a single time.