Ghost cheated to kill me. Please fix it.

[Zero]

It was a Yurei. I was sitting in a room on the other side of the house, in a bathroom connected to a bedroom, both doors closed, BEFORE it went into hunting phase. No microphone. Ghost started hunting phase and went directly for me. No detours, no walking around, nothing. Straight from the room it was in on the other side of the house, through both doors, straight to me. This is completely unacceptable behavior. If it was a Banshee and was targeting me, fine. If it saw me and followed me, fine. But no, I was sitting there for two whole minutes before hunting phase and it navigated straight to me.

This isn't the only ghost AI that seems like it's been bugged since the patch before the Prison one. hyper-aggressive murder-Shades that attack when there are 3 people in the room, a Yurei that refused to do anything (like a Shade) and a Demon that threw stuff at us over and over but never attacked (like a Poltergeist). Most of this stuff is fine.

A Yurei that knows exactly where I am and navigates straight to me through multiple rooms and doors? NOT FINE.

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por NoLifeGamer111:

Publicado originalmente por Cursed Hawkins:

Or at least in your case you had a Wraith who can SEE through into those because they don't see the doors.

Wraiths do not see through any doors. They are just as blind/dumb as all the other types of ghosts. I don't think it's possible to capture it better than I did in this video:
https://youtu.be/gl9PlrPZE8k

that's not proof, that's just recorded anecdotal evidence.

proof would be to bring up the game's code, which has been dumped before, and already dissected.

there seems to be a LOT of people who believe that the wraith, specifically, can see through doors when no other ghost type can. i really wonder why.

fact is, all ghosts "see" through doors. however, ghosts are generally not allowed to target behind closed doors unless there's some other exception, like the ghost detects a sound.

also, consider that from the ghost's perspective, bits of player geometry can poke through the wall/door, which then may or may not be targetable by the ghost.

[MuscleBearGamer]

Publicado originalmente por TTV BriannaStar19:

Publicado originalmente por Ghost:

If you sat there for a good 2 minutes then it's no wonder it found you easily.

Ghosts can track your location while in their passive state. They will track the sounds you make, the places you go, and head to those areas once they go into hunt mode.

If while checking those areas while in hunt mode the ray-trace beam happens to hit you it will go straight for you and kill you.

The game is working as intended.

As for the other ghosts ..... don't always go by the "standard norm" for the ghosts.

They can always change and it's part of the game.

Idk if anyone else corrected you but no, the ghost does not track your location while in its "Idle" state. The ghost does not have a database that it records information to, which is what it would need to be able to track locations. It operates off 2 raycast points that will activate its pursuit scripts if either of them intersect with a player model, the exception is the banshee which simply gets your XYZ coordinate when it spawns and paths as close to that point as possible, then if it doesn't detect you via raycast it reverts to its normal search mode script.

Data-mining and testing proves that it does but not to the extent to which you are thinking of.

[󠁳⁧⁧ N1ght_Gu4rd]

Publicado originalmente por Dr Gori:

Publicado originalmente por NoLifeGamer111:

Wraiths do not see through any doors. They are just as blind/dumb as all the other types of ghosts. I don't think it's possible to capture it better than I did in this video:
https://youtu.be/gl9PlrPZE8k

that's not proof, that's just recorded anecdotal evidence.

proof would be to bring up the game's code, which has been dumped before, and already dissected.

there seems to be a LOT of people who believe that the wraith, specifically, can see through doors when no other ghost type can. i really wonder why.

fact is, all ghosts "see" through doors. however, ghosts are generally not allowed to target behind closed doors unless there's some other exception, like the ghost detects a sound.

also, consider that from the ghost's perspective, bits of player geometry can poke through the wall/door, which then may or may not be targetable by the ghost.

And I have no idea why people believe that wraith is some kind of the chosen one. I would say my video proves that they can't see through doors (or as you said, they see you but won't go after you because that's not how their ai is programmed to act). Any type of ghost acts like the one in my video. People who say otherwise play this game blindfolded or something.

As for the origin of the all-seeing wraith theory, Idk probably someone got killed by a wraith who entered his room and since wraiths can walk through walls he figured that they can also see through doors. Doesn't really makes sense but that's what I think happened.

[DBecher]

I'm not sure why you would get upset about a **Yurei** spawning in a different area than it's ghost room and finding you. Yurei's ability is that it actively wanders the map and is not bound to its ghost room. IF you smudge it then it is bound for 90 seconds ONLY. I have never read anything that states it has a wander limit. It spawned on your side of the map, and its path sent it to your room. Calm down, it is acceptable, you aren't royalty, stop being stuck up.

[🎇TYPHOON🎇]

"Hint: The Ghost can sense you in the dark."

Tooltips are not just for entertainment.

[SiEgE]

Publicado originalmente por Zero:

It was a Yurei. I was sitting in a room on the other side of the house, in a bathroom connected to a bedroom, both doors closed, BEFORE it went into hunting phase. No microphone. Ghost started hunting phase and went directly for me. No detours, no walking around, nothing. Straight from the room it was in on the other side of the house, through both doors, straight to me. This is completely unacceptable behavior. If it was a Banshee and was targeting me, fine. If it saw me and followed me, fine. But no, I was sitting there for two whole minutes before hunting phase and it navigated straight to me.

This isn't the only ghost AI that seems like it's been bugged since the patch before the Prison one. hyper-aggressive murder-Shades that attack when there are 3 people in the room, a Yurei that refused to do anything (like a Shade) and a Demon that threw stuff at us over and over but never attacked (like a Poltergeist). Most of this stuff is fine.

A Yurei that knows exactly where I am and navigates straight to me through multiple rooms and doors? NOT FINE.

It is not bugged.
Pathing is randomized. So there is nothing surprising about the ghost just going straight for a specific room. It just so happened you were also in there. No matter where you are - you should always listen and hide properly during the hunt.

Considering the Shade's attacks on multiple people - I have several ideas:
1. My first idea, is that Shades can attack from outside the room, where there are no people present. It just goes there, finds out that there are no people, and initiates the hunt.
2. My second idea is that Shades have a quite specific understanding of "no one in the same room": Closets and small bathrooms are considered different rooms, so even if you're all within 1 foot distance between each other, but you are inside the ghost's room, and 2 of your teammates are inside the bathroom - it will still hunt.
3. My third idea is that ghosts may not know if there are multiple people in there. Before the attack, the ghost may spawn in an enclosed spot, with its vision having your teammates blocked off it. The ghost will think as if there is just one person, and not group of people, thus starting an attack.

[TheDoops]

Cell doors may be a different story, they are still pretty new and do behave differently from doors when it comes to ghost interaction, but wraiths are certainly able to see through normal doors, lockers, and closet doors.

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Publicado originalmente por TheDoops:

Cell doors may be a different story, they are still pretty new and do behave differently from doors when it comes to ghost interaction, but wraiths are certainly able to see through normal doors, lockers, and closet doors.

Sure, just keep making excuses to supprot that illogical theory. I don't understand. You can test this out by yourself, why won't you do it?

Go find a wraith and make it chase you and just shut a door in its face and watch it leave you alone.

You people keep refusing to acknowledge facts or test them out on your own and just try to live in that lala land even though you have no evidence to support that bs wraith theory. And all arguments I hear are:
"But I was killed by a wraith even when I closed the door!" - unlucky, because any type of ghost can enter your room and kill you. This comes from my experience.
"But a youtuber said that wraiths can see through doors" - yeah, because when a youtuber says something it's automatically true.

[SiEgE]

Publicado originalmente por NoLifeGamer111:

"But a youtuber said that wraiths can see through doors" - yeah, because when a youtuber says something it's automatically true.

Several youtubers said that it is pointless to hide inside closets and lockers, when the ghost you're against is a wraith. They(and the most population of this forum) also say, that wraiths see through doors.

I have my own theory I've based on other facts:
Wraiths teleport around the building.
I had one with it's favourite room on the second floor, but as the hunt began - it appeared behind me on the first floor - far away from its favourite room.
My guess is - After the teleportation - Wraiths are moving towards my real position, even if they can't really see me. So, even if I'm hiding, it'll navigate into my hiding spot and kill me.
The knowledge of that "wraiths see through doors" might simply be mistaken for the game mechanics. That means there is no point sitting in lockers or closets, or standing behind doors, because if it decides to target you - you'll have no chance.
That also means, you can easily hide from Wraith by default means of ghost looping and hiding. You just have to let it teleport in, first. Then - hide.

[󠁳⁧⁧ N1ght_Gu4rd]

Publicado originalmente por SiEgE:

Several youtubers said that it is pointless to hide inside closets and lockers, when the ghost you're against is a wraith. They(and the most population of this forum) also say, that wraiths see through doors.

I have my own theory I've based on other facts:
Wraiths teleport around the building.
I had one with it's favourite room on the second floor, but as the hunt began - it appeared behind me on the first floor - far away from its favourite room.
My guess is - After the teleportation - Wraiths are moving towards my real position, even if they can't really see me. So, even if I'm hiding, it'll navigate into my hiding spot and kill me.
The knowledge of that "wraiths see through doors" might simply be mistaken for the game mechanics. That means there is no point sitting in lockers or closets, or standing behind doors, because if it decides to target you - you'll have no chance.
That also means, you can easily hide from Wraith by default means of ghost looping and hiding. You just have to let it teleport in, first. Then - hide.

I can believe in a teleportation ability. I've seen clips showing a person standing somewhere in the building and then their EMF shows a lvl 2 signal even though the ghost hasn't touched anything around and there is a sound of footsteps exactly where the player is standing. So I won't argue that there is no teleportation ability in the game (I also heard that other types of ghosts can teleport as well).

However, based on my own experience. There is literally no evidence of wraiths seeing through doors. I managed to hide in a closet/locker against a wraith countless times and heard it pass by and it wouldn't find me. In my whole 138 hours of playing I only got killed in a closet once and that wasn't by wraith. I always choose closets or lockers over rooms because they are ultra safe. And meanwhile you have a significant amount of people saying that lockers are very unsafe.

What evidence is there that shows wraiths are capable of seeing through doors and closets/lockers? People saying that they got killed while hiding in a room with a closed door whilst being completely silent, etc? That's no argument. I was killed/found by poltergeists, shades and some other types of ghosts many times not just wraiths. So that would that all ghost types can see through doors. If there is any evidence, it's evidence against that all-seeing wraith theory.

Let me ask you something. If I would make a video showing me getting chased by a wraith and entering a locker right in front of the wraith and it wandering off (maybe same with entering a room that isn't a cell so no one could make any excuses that cell doors work differently) would you then admit that the wraith theory is indeed bs? Because I seriously don't know what you people have to see to get the truth into your heads.

[Wick]

I'm sorry the OP was correct. The Dev looked into this issue and discovered the ghost, Lisa Wilson, was acting inappropriately. She was promptly fired. Guaranteed this will not happen again!

[Zero]

Publicado originalmente por DreggsB:

I'm not sure why you would get upset about a **Yurei** spawning in a different area than it's ghost room and finding you. Yurei's ability is that it actively wanders the map and is not bound to its ghost room. IF you smudge it then it is bound for 90 seconds ONLY. I have never read anything that states it has a wander limit. It spawned on your side of the map, and its path sent it to your room. Calm down, it is acceptable, you aren't royalty, stop being stuck up.

It didn't. It spawned in the room that it was found in. I said in the OP that two other hunters can confirm that it spawned in the correct room and proceeded to make a beeline for me through multiple doors on the other side of the house. They literally watched it happen.

Publicado originalmente por Wick:

I'm sorry the OP was correct. The Dev looked into this issue and discovered the ghost, Lisa Wilson, was acting inappropriately. She was promptly fired. Guaranteed this will not happen again!

Lol

[BoxingBud]

I DID have a friend get killed the other day from a mare in the cabin attic and he was hiding in the room immediately to the left of the front door (going in). That was quite a walk, I saw her on camera manifesting in the attic then walk down. I felt it was a bit, just a bit, too far of a walk but it was dark too and her being a mare held us to task.

EDIT: I've yet to die from hiding, but like real hiding, in a locker, or closet, door closed, not just an open room. Otherwise I just duck and try to outrun.

[󠁳⁧⁧ N1ght_Gu4rd]

Publicado originalmente por BoxingBud:

I DID have a friend get killed the other day from a mare in the cabin attic and he was hiding in the room immediately to the left of the front door (going in). That was quite a walk, I saw her on camera manifesting in the attic then walk down. I felt it was a bit, just a bit, too far of a walk but it was dark too and her being a mare held us to task.

EDIT: I've yet to die from hiding, but like real hiding, in a locker, or closet, door closed, not just an open room. Otherwise I just duck and try to outrun.

Walk from the attic to that room on the left from entrance isn't long at all when you think about it. Plus, the ghost has 50 seconds to go there which is a lot of time.

From experience, it seems to me that the room on the left of the entrance to the Bleasdale farmnhouse is always checked by the ghost. You should never hide there.

Dying while hiding in rooms with a closed door is definitely possible. It's simply due to being unlucky because the ghost randomly decides to check your room.
Closets and lockers on the other hand seem to be 100% safe. In my whole 138 hours of playing this game I only died once when hiding in a closet and that was when I was still a noob so I am guessing I must've done something wrong. I always go and hide in a closet/locker if there is one. I don't trust rooms, it's a lot better to just get chased by the ghost or hide in a locker or closet.