Just bought this

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Tales of Berseria introduced me to this awesome series.
What should i expect from this coming off from Berseria?

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Rachito:

The Berseria fanboy never ceases to amaze me. Now he´s calling Vesperia an item farming meanwhile Berseria has a lot of shinning and useless orbs and items all over the field map that you need to collect to get useless crap like generic black swimsuits....because all of us love boring and uninspired swimsuits. What about that game mechanic where you send ships to collect useless things?
Vesperia an item farming? Yeah, no, Berseria take that title. But What can we expect from someone who thinks Berseria is not a button smasher?

Anyway, to be fair, Zestiria is what i call a real item farm. That game it´s just ridiculous.

No, in berseria you max equipment by performing good in combat, unlike vesperia. You also 100% get all items in linked fights, unlike vesperia where you have to GRIND idiotic superstars, wait respawns of giganto mosters etc. Vesperia is alright, but as i said berserias infrastructure is way better and rewards for playing on hardest difficulties, where vesperia only rewards grinding and reading guides. Whats there to say, when you actually benefit of playing on easy in vesperia more ( arena ), but in berseria you have to play hard or better+ to get best equipment.

I dont care about bunny ears and swimsuits and i definetely dont need them to play good.

Berseria is button smasher only if you cant play otherwise. Yes its possible to "finish game" with low skill, but berseria has alot of fun for players of higher understanding than you. The way they made martial casters and pure casters is amazing. Eizen and eleanor on manual are super fun, but i guess your expirience is limited to semi-auto velvet RT spam, no worries we all were like this.

I do agree that cosmetics in berseria is garbage and vesperia has it better, i guess for whoever it matters.

[CentroXer]

Berseria is a bad game and should never be a blueprint for future tales series.

[Rachito]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

No, in berseria you max equipment by performing good in combat, unlike vesperia.

Im not sure what you are even trying to say anymore.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

You also 100% get all items in linked fights, unlike vesperia where you have to GRIND idiotic superstars, wait respawns of giganto mosters etc.

False, you can easily synth equipment anytime in any store in any town or just find them in the dungeons playing normal, also you can learn the skills easily just playing like always, i never need to grind my equipment, except maybe 4 or 5 rare weapons. And D.E is even better because the game gives you a lot of money, items and costumes so hardly have to grind anything.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Vesperia is alright, but as i said berserias infrastructure is way better and rewards for playing on hardest difficulties, where vesperia only rewards grinding and reading guides. Whats there to say, when you actually benefit of playing on easy in vesperia more ( arena ), but in berseria you have to play hard or better+ to get best equipment.

Vesperia rewards you with costumes, weapons or rare items, almost always. Don´t lie.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

I dont care about bunny ears and swimsuits and i definetely dont need them to play good.

Except you don´t know what is the game reward until you collect all the required orbs, so, you have two options, not collect them and never know or collect them and then learn they are all garbage.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Berseria is button smasher only if you cant play otherwise. Yes its possible to "finish game" with low skill, but berseria has alot of fun for players of higher understanding than you. The way they made martial casters and pure casters is amazing. Eizen and eleanor on manual are super fun, but i guess your expirience is limited to semi-auto velvet RT spam, no worries we all were like this.

Im not saying Berseria is not fun, im saying is a button smasher which you said before it wasn´t which i found funny. Also, i find funny you say im playing bad Berseria because i said you can smash buttons but you said before you can smash buttons with Yuri (except you can´t, lol) proving (according to you) you are playing bad Vesperia. I just love your double way of thinking, contradicting each other.

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Zesteria can hardly be called a game. It is worst of the wors in so many aspect. Story, characters, level design, combat system, grinding. Im surprised it did not kill the series.
Dspite being meh Berseria is miles ahead.

I like Berseria a lot, but it has a lot of weaks points, like the plain dungeons, the break soul system (too permissive), the rewards (pure garbage) or the difficulty (way too easy). Zestiria is worst for sure, tough i like some characters like Edna, Zaveeid or Alisha.

[OnlyOffensive]

You max out anything by getting high grades. which makes grade system and your performance relevant. In vesperia i havent found any use of grade except grade shops. So basically you either fight garbage and max your 400 skill ring in 100 battles or you dark bottle dire enemies and max it in one.

If you didnt know that why do you even bother telling your opinion rofl.

Originally posted by Rachito:

False, you can easily synth equipment anytime in any store in any town or just find them in the dungeons playing normal, also you can learn the skills easily just playing like always, i never need to grind my equipment, except maybe 4 or 5 rare weapons. And D.E is even better because the game gives you a lot of money, items and costumes so hardly have to grind anything.

You are false. To get last tier helmet for Flynn i needed 2 green menace claws. I havent seen it respawn once, so naturally i only had one. So you need to camp respawn in a single player game. There are also bunch of items that require great wolf fangs, which you cant collect anywhere other than fenrirs and if you were lucky from 3d wolf boss. It seems you dont even know about items in vesperia. There are also million items that require stuff like treant flowers, and other rare materials, so on top of grinding them you also have to find those monsters, which is kinda boring without guide. Not saying its extremely hard to get equipment, but alot of it late game is unnecessary chore that has nothing to do with difficulty, just waste of players time. Not to say that most of top tier equipment, including last fencer require superstars which are pain to grind, provided you know stars locations.

Yea your learn skills naturally, but as i said you dont benefit from difficulty, thats why i said berseria has better system that REWARDS better players and also stimulate to try to get better.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Rachito:

Vesperia rewards you with costumes, weapons or rare items, almost always. Don´t lie.

? Im talking about combat rewards. Also there is NO UNIQUE REWARDS or bonuses for playing on hard, are you that special or what? You get your costumes from side events and similar stuff, it doesnt matter what difficulty you are on. Drop is also not affected by difficulty, as far as i know its a fixed % which can be increased by killing mob with fatal strike, again whatever difficulty.

For example in berseria you get higher stats on equipment if you play on hard+. You also get higher drop chance from both difficulty and from linked encounters. Also linked encounters always make common enemies at least something even in outleveled locations.

Whether you like combat there or not, fact is that whole gameplay system is just simply more advanced in berseria, which shouldnt be surprising considering its their latest game, even though zesteria was questionable at best, but i guess they made some conclusions out of it mistakes.

Originally posted by Rachito:

Im not saying Berseria is not fun, im saying is a button smasher which you said before it wasn´t which i found funny. Also, i find funny you say im playing bad Berseria because i said you can smash buttons but you said before you can smash buttons with Yuri (except you can´t, lol) proving (according to you) you are playing bad Vesperia. I just love your double way of thinking, contradicting each other.

Yea yea sure. ITs not button smasher, when your every action makes sense and leads into something you planned. Again, its smasher only if you dont understand what you want to do. You can make combos with OTG, using directional attacks to evade bosses artes, quickstep with eizen into different reach moves and flash. Id say berseria has at least same amount of possibilities as vesperia, except you have access to everything during main game and is able to conjure your own combos without almost any limits.

I never said about smashing in vesperia, i just said that yuri is broken faceroll. if you think its hard to remember your setup and patterns in vesperia, youd definetely have ahrd time adjusting to berseria speed, leading to you smash buttons, because you dont know what to do and what you want to do. IT was like this for me with rokurou, hes super hard to play properly because of ridiciolus speed and understanding how each of his arte connect, even though you can kinda smash with him its different between smashing and playing properly. Also, while vesperia auto locks you into chains, berseria has probably even more, especially for malak artes users. Just play intense+ with anyone but velvet button smashing and you will be permanently k.o'd during any linked encounter.

Im not even saying im exceptionally good at either game, but i at least able to understand how they work. I was playing vesperia on hard since start ( first time ) never switching, it became super boring for me late game, because as i mentioned yuri has so much bad artes that just dont connect well outside corner. I definetely have more fun comboing in berseria ( I mean combos that i WANT to do, not random buttons ). And yes, i did 250+ combos during actual fights even against multiple enemies with yuri, but thats mostly thanks to shining fang and brutal fang power, without his multihit artes, hes definetely not that flashy. I also didnt like that you dont have actual defensive combos moves, like quicksteps in berseria counts toward combos, while in vesperia maximum you can do is backstep into step combo, its also yuri skill only.

[Rachito]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

You max out anything by getting high grades. which makes grade system and your performance relevant. In vesperia i havent found any use of grade except grade shops. So basically you either fight garbage and max your 400 skill ring in 100 battles or you dark bottle dire enemies and max it in one.

If you didnt know that why do you even bother telling your opinion rofl.

Again, what are you talking about? You don´t need to max anything in Vesperia, all your equipment can be done naturally through playing. Do you want to max your skills or your levels? Yes you can, there are skills that aid you to do that and there are accesories that aid you to do that, but you don´t need to do that, you can beat the game without max anything.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

You are false.

No no no, you are.......(?)

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

To get last tier helmet for Flynn i needed 2 green menace claws. I havent seen it respawn once, so naturally i only had one. So you need to camp respawn in a single player game. There are also bunch of items that require great wolf fangs, which you cant collect anywhere other than fenrirs and if you were lucky from 3d wolf boss. It seems you dont even know about items in vesperia.

Nope, YOU dont know about items. The only "rare" items in Vesperia are the items from giganto monsters (and the twin boss battle) and you only need 1 or 2 from them so you only need fight them once or maybe twice, one normal battle and then fight them again in the EX Dungeon, you DON´T need wait to respawn, yes, you can do it, but why? Because you like to wait? Good for you.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

There are also million items that require stuff like treant flowers, and other rare materials,

There are like 3 items that need treant flowers, and you only need 1 or 2, not millions. You literally can get all you need in less than 10 minutes. Stop overeacting. There aren´t any real rare item aside the Gigantos and you don´t need to waste a lot of time.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

so on top of grinding them you also have to find those monsters, which is kinda boring without guide. Not saying its extremely hard to get equipment,

Good, because is not hard at all.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

but alot of it late game is unnecessary chore that has nothing to do with difficulty, just waste of players time. Not to say that most of top tier equipment, including last fencer require superstars which are pain to grind, provided you know stars locations.

Most of the top tier equipmen can be found in dungeons or through side missions. The synt equipment is not "top tier" at all.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Yea your learn skills naturally, but as i said you dont benefit from difficulty, thats why i said berseria has better system that REWARDS better players and also stimulate to try to get better.

Yeah, but hard in Berseria is normal, and normal is easy, so it´s not like you are playing "hard" on "hard". The difficulty in Berserias is a mess. Berseria is maybe the easiest Tales of.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

? Im talking about combat rewards. Also there is NO UNIQUE REWARDS or bonuses for playing on hard, are you that special or what? You get your costumes from side events and similar stuff, it doesnt matter what difficulty you are on. Drop is also not affected by difficulty, as far as i know its a fixed % which can be increased by killing mob with fatal strike, again whatever difficulty.

You know what is funny? you were talking about you need to fight a lot and grind a lot in Vesperia and now you are talking how you don´t get anything useful having fights (therefore there´s not real grinding here). On the other hand if you want a good equipment in Berseria you have to do a lot of linked battles.
I like Vesperia because you can get good equipment just exploring the dungeons and even better doing the side quests. If you do a side mission in Berseria or explore a dungeon you mostly get garbage.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

For example in berseria you get higher stats on equipment if you play on hard+. You also get higher drop chance from both difficulty and from linked encounters. Also linked encounters always make common enemies at least something even in outleveled locations.

I accept linked encounters in Berseria are better game mechanics than Vesperia, it´s maybe the only one that It is not made for noobs.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Whether you like combat there or not, fact is that whole gameplay system is just simply more advanced in berseria, which shouldnt be surprising considering its their latest game, even though zesteria was questionable at best, but i guess they made some conclusions out of it mistakes.

To have more items through playing hard mode (which is not really hard) is barely a "more advanced" game mechanic. It´s just a different mechanic.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

except you have access to everything during main game and is able to conjure your own combos without almost any limits.

That´s what is called button smasher. If you can do it limitless and anytime then IT¨S a button smasher. Yes, you can learn to not do it, but it doesn´t mean the core is not a button smasher.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

I never said about smashing in vesperia, i just said that yuri is broken faceroll.

Yes, you said it, you even said you can do 300+ combos with Yuri like is nothing.....lol no, you can´t.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

if you think its hard to remember your setup and patterns in vesperia, youd definetely have ahrd time adjusting to berseria speed, leading to you smash buttons, because you dont know what to do and what you want to do. IT was like this for me with rokurou, hes super hard to play properly because of ridiciolus speed and understanding how each of his arte connect, even though you can kinda smash with him its different between smashing and playing properly.

Well, Rokuro is the hardest to play, of course. He is the exception not the norm.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Im not even saying im exceptionally good at either game, but i at least able to understand how they work. I was playing vesperia on hard since start ( first time ) never switching, it became super boring for me late game, because as i mentioned yuri has so much bad artes that just dont connect well outside corner. I definetely have more fun comboing in berseria ( I mean combos that i WANT to do, not random buttons ).

That means you like Berseria more, it doesn´t mean Berseria is better. Berseria bored me later in the game and I like a lot more doing aerial combos with Judith than anyone in Berseria, so, what´s your point?

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

And yes, i did 250+ combos during actual fights even against multiple enemies with yuri, but thats mostly thanks to shining fang and brutal fang power, without his multihit artes, hes definetely not that flashy

Let's assume i believe you. Even so, when did you do the 250 combo? Later in the game for sure, after synt some weapons, after get and try some skills and after learn how to do long combos, because again, you CAN´T do that only smashing buttons, you must learn to do them.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

. I also didnt like that you dont have actual defensive combos moves, like quicksteps in berseria counts toward combos, while in vesperia maximum you can do is backstep into step combo, its also yuri skill only.

That´s why Vesperia doesn´t have the best fighting system (neither Berseria), it´s Hearts R which you can do counters, and the enemies too and you can counter their counters, you really need to pay attention to the battle.

[Doom_Cookies]

Originally posted by Rachito:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

You max out anything by getting high grades. which makes grade system and your performance relevant. In vesperia i havent found any use of grade except grade shops. So basically you either fight garbage and max your 400 skill ring in 100 battles or you dark bottle dire enemies and max it in one.

If you didnt know that why do you even bother telling your opinion rofl.

Again, what are you talking about? You don´t need to max anything in Vesperia, all your equipment can be done naturally through playing.

He meant in Berseria.

Originally posted by Rachito:

Most of the top tier equipmen can be found in dungeons or through side missions. The synt equipment is not "top tier" at all.

While it's true that a lot (if not all) of the top-tier equipment can be found here and there in endgame dungeons or side missions, there are some best pieces that can also be synthesized instead of found, such as Flynn's General Helmet and Armor, and Repede's Aer Fragment.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Not to say that most of top tier equipment, including last fencer require superstars which are pain to grind, provided you know stars locations.

Last Fencer can also be gotten by completing the Secret Mission for Second Stage Duke. There's no need to farm the Superstars for it.

[マーキュリアス]

True I guess, but it's not like Flynn really needs good gear. Energy coat is pretty op..

Trying to figure out why he choose Yuri to be the example of being super OP.

Flynn may not have glory, but he's extremely busted. I mean, Flynn can do like what. 250k~300k with a demonic circle if you maxed it to 9999. xD.

https://i.imgur.com/9mAMrJX.jpg sorry for bad quality on picture but jesus and keep in mind, this isn't fully charged demonic circle either. XD

[OnlyOffensive]

there is difference between strong and busted you know. Flynn is good, ive played him myself, but hes definetely way harder to play good than yuri in my opinion, he also kinda has some problems with arte connections. Its like this in pretty much all tales games as far as i know, main characters are designed to be extremely noob friendly. For example velvet is crap compared to magilou spell absorber abuse, but shes still broken, because of noob friendly soul break.

Hes also martial caster, but i dont like that vesperia doesnt really have this subtype, because you can only connect his martial artes with casting during overlimit. I think magic into hidden artes is only ritas skill. But he definetely has some cool combos during overlimits that include his magic.

Also i dont really count some brokeback mechanics like spam of 9999 uses abilities, tidal waves etc as a measure of character power.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Doom_Cookies:

Last Fencer can also be gotten by completing the Secret Mission for Second Stage Duke. There's no need to farm the Superstars for it.

Yea sure, but first, you can see last fencer in shop way before last boss, also there is no way of knowing last boss secret mission drops it ( without reading guide ). So yeah, you see this busted weapon avaible BEFORE last dungeon and probably dont go for it, sure.

Also im not gonna sit with spreadsheet of "where to loot best equipment". I see item that is upgrade for me at shop and i consider it best for me for now, though i gave up on alot of items just because of some unreasonable materials like greater wolf fangs.

[Doom_Cookies]

I went through my first two plays of Vesperia on the 360 without caring about farming synthesis materials. I never farmed at all. Seeing better equipment I couldn't get with the materials I had on hand never bothered me, and I never felt like I was really being left behind on gear quality. Synthesis felt as it is, entirely optional.

Don't get me wrong, I really hate grinding for item drops and the like. I shamelessly use Cheat Engine in JRPGs to add item drops I could get by wasting time killing the same mob over and over so long as I've killed said mob at least once. From my perspective, I'm fixing a flaw in the game by doing so. I did so for my run through Vesperia DE, now that it's on PC.

But even so, yes, I will very commonly skip "busted weapon" and the like in JRPG crafting features due to not having the materials for them on hand. Very rarely will I not be able to go along perfectly fine without them. Most of the time, I will end up finding perfectly sufficient, if not better, equipment tucked in some treasure chest somewhere.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Doom_Cookies:

I went through my first two plays of Vesperia on the 360 without caring about farming synthesis materials.

Thats the difference i was talking about. I went through berseria first time, being pretty noobish in such games overall but i had all skills and equipment, because i decided to play intense. Yes i got k.o'd alot trying to get best grades, but in the end i was able to farm ~1000 grade in dark bottle linked north dire foe battles. In my opinion getting items based on your performance and your terms is better than grinding low percent that require 0 skill, or worse - waiting respawn of creatures in single player game. I know 10 years ago putting crappy MMO mechanics was a popular feature in alot of games, but cmon, praising grind in current year, when so many games showed how to make interesting item mechanics ( im not even speaking about tales games )

Last fencer is just too good to skip imo. That is if you dont in the rush to kill last boss ( getting all fell arms ) getting it totally changes the game. Which i think is also bad design, one skill shouldnt be so powerfull, but except glory it also has chain you cant get anywhere else.

[Wyrtt]

you need help pal