mid-game burn out

[ShadowFox]

Anyone else have the issue where once you become mid to large kingdom like 15 provinces you get kind of bored? Even on very hard I hit the same patch each game where I am making tons of gold, I have a few super strong armies and plenty of friends. I know I could cause more issues for myself on purpose but that seems like a lame way to increase the "fun" factor. Maybe I will send my armies far away to start a colony in the middle of hostile lands to spice it up

[Lateralus]

It depends on the win condition you’re aiming for.

[DNLH]

Basically the point at which you should start diplomacy and digging holes under your bitter rivals to get enough votes for Emperor of the World, or to get enough Goods for Advantages victory. While the latter can still be achieved by just doing more conquest, the former rarely requires the same. Depending on the kingdom I'm playing, I may also look for formable nations as a little additional goal.

But all in all, at this point I'd be wrapping it up and gearing to start another playthrough.

[ShadowFox]

That's fair, I've been doing world conquest style and not aiming to hit win conditions. I'll adjust my next playthough for shorter term goals :) This one I'm going to try and finish paint the map. France always got rocked in my games so this time I played as them on very hard and taking it all the way :D

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

That's fair, I've been doing world conquest style and not aiming to hit win conditions. I'll adjust my next playthough for shorter term goals :) This one I'm going to try and finish paint the map. France always got rocked in my games so this time I played as them on very hard and taking it all the way :D

Even though you can paint the map in this game, it wasn’t really designed with that in mind. For example, there are diminishing returns from owning more provinces past a certain point. Don’t get me wrong, you can still paint the map and have a heap of fun. It’s just that the other win conditions seem to fit better with the overall game design.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Lateralus:

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

That's fair, I've been doing world conquest style and not aiming to hit win conditions. I'll adjust my next playthough for shorter term goals :) This one I'm going to try and finish paint the map. France always got rocked in my games so this time I played as them on very hard and taking it all the way :D

Even though you can paint the map in this game, it wasn’t really designed with that in mind. For example, there are diminishing returns from owning more provinces past a certain point. Don’t get me wrong, you can still paint the map and have a heap of fun. It’s just that the other win conditions seem to fit better with the overall game design.

Do you use the mini conditions or just aim for emperor of the world asap?

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

Originally posted by Lateralus:

Even though you can paint the map in this game, it wasn’t really designed with that in mind. For example, there are diminishing returns from owning more provinces past a certain point. Don’t get me wrong, you can still paint the map and have a heap of fun. It’s just that the other win conditions seem to fit better with the overall game design.

Do you use the mini conditions or just aim for emperor of the world asap?

All Kingdom Advantages first, then if I feel like playing longer, Emperor of the World.

["The Lunatic" Wolf-fighter]

believe me once youre gigantic with 100 or more provinces you wont say its boring because most of the world will simply hate you and declare war nonstop on you >.> i reached a -90 war fatigue already because like everyone declares singelhandely war . why cant they at least join a war so it all ends quickly and i only need to wack one dude. no every single 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ province in some arab place needs to delcar war simply that i am at war . (also thats extremly idiotic im going for them first to have the war be done there since thats the fastest way to end the war by simply mwiping them out) and im not getting out of the wars because once some wars end the next one right away declares war even tho they only made peace with me like 5 minutes ago i mean wtf?! i hold like all of europe (well except for hungary didnt went to war against them directly and only conquerd 2 cities at best of them ) and because of many 1 provinces places from the arabs declaring war there also big ammount of the arab place and a big ammount of the russian provinces as well . i conquerd konstantinopel, rome (doesnt matter only 2 other katholics except for me left so no hate from them really since im nearly the only catholic left lol) mekka and jerusalem and for serious theres no fcking way they would win against me they only higher how much i get a decrease in stability from the war >.> for some reasons even nations / kingdoms declared war on me with only 1 province who were overrun by a fcking simple rebel from themself because they cant even manage their own one province kingdom >.> why tf would someone like that declare war on me simply to make me have a war more going .

[Gnep]

Yes, it is. And as you told, in this way I start to create hot spots during borders to find more fun.

[Iskar]

Originally posted by "The Lunatic" Wolf-fighter:

believe me once youre gigantic with 100 or more provinces you wont say its boring because most of the world will simply hate you and declare war nonstop on you >.> i reached a -90 war fatigue already because like everyone declares singelhandely war . why cant they at least join a war so it all ends quickly and i only need to wack one dude. no every single 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ province in some arab place needs to delcar war simply that i am at war . (also thats extremly idiotic im going for them first to have the war be done there since thats the fastest way to end the war by simply mwiping them out) and im not getting out of the wars because once some wars end the next one right away declares war even tho they only made peace with me like 5 minutes ago i mean wtf?! i hold like all of europe (well except for hungary didnt went to war against them directly and only conquerd 2 cities at best of them ) and because of many 1 provinces places from the arabs declaring war there also big ammount of the arab place and a big ammount of the russian provinces as well . i conquerd konstantinopel, rome (doesnt matter only 2 other katholics except for me left so no hate from them really since im nearly the only catholic left lol) mekka and jerusalem and for serious theres no fcking way they would win against me they only higher how much i get a decrease in stability from the war >.> for some reasons even nations / kingdoms declared war on me with only 1 province who were overrun by a fcking simple rebel from themself because they cant even manage their own one province kingdom >.> why tf would someone like that declare war on me simply to make me have a war more going .

I have well over 100 provinces and none of that is happening to me. You must have messed up diplomacy earlier on.

[Fistochat]

To me, the biggest problem is that when you become a large kingdom, AI doesn't use plan invasion against you. They just declare war on you one by one. I think to most logicable would be a big invasion plan with 3-4 big factions and then we would feel the difficulty. In fact, the AI just don't adapt.

And indeed, if you have good diplomacy you don't get attacked or at least, it's very rare.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

That's fair, I've been doing world conquest style and not aiming to hit win conditions. I'll adjust my next playthough for shorter term goals :) This one I'm going to try and finish paint the map. France always got rocked in my games so this time I played as them on very hard and taking it all the way :D

Total conquest is often boring, KoH2 at least makes it somewhat competitive when you're hard capped by marshal numbers like everyone else, but in most games, like total war, I've never managed to survive the late game boredom long enough to conquer an entire map.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

That's fair, I've been doing world conquest style and not aiming to hit win conditions. I'll adjust my next playthough for shorter term goals :) This one I'm going to try and finish paint the map. France always got rocked in my games so this time I played as them on very hard and taking it all the way :D

Total conquest is often boring, KoH2 at least makes it somewhat competitive when you're hard capped by marshal numbers like everyone else, but in most games, like total war, I've never managed to survive the late game boredom long enough to conquer an entire map.

Yeah most strategy games like this suffer from the snowball effect and late game boredom. And like you, I also never finish a Total War campaign. This game is slightly better because you are limited by the number of royal knights, so therefore recruiting more marshals lowers your kingdom power elsewhere.

The win conditions also help create a different dynamic to just map conquest for the sake of it. This can give various wars a specific goal of obtaining the missing resources you need to win. I can imagine that a multiplayer game, with experienced players, could be quite interesting.

[Iskar]

I actually enjoy the fact very much that I don't have to fight everyone at some point jusz because they exist, and instead wars emerge for other, specific reasons.

[ShadowFox]

Thank you for the well thought out replies everyone, I see now ways I can adjust my playstyle to avoid this burn out if I want to or ways to engage more if I want to push through. My current game I have about 1/3 of the total map under my control, have all advantages unlocked and making around 5k gold per (tick?) I am tempted to just take the win and start a new shorter game but theres a part inside of me that wants to grind it all the way out and conquer EVERYTHING haha we'll see which wins out =]

[Montecalm]

Play a smaller country in the middle of the map.