Crash Team Racing is getting Micro Transactions

[Doktor Mandrake]

Looks like Activision is going to add micro transactions into CTR

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/07/crash_team_racing_nitro-fueled_is_getting_microtransactions

No wonder the Pit Stop is so grindy

[Doktor Mandrake]

468528456 a écrit :

mdesaleah a écrit :

You might not remember this, but back in the PS2, Gamecube, and original Xbox generation, everything cosmetic was unlocked in the game through accomplishing different goals. Shocking isnt it?

The people defending MTX are usually kids who weren't born in that era or were aged in the single digits. They can't remember what was a BETTER era because they were never there. They aren't really gamers either. As someone else put it, who wants to pay money to NOT play the game?

G'day mate

Ya this is how I normally feel about these situations too.. It's like with Tekken 7, loads of people defend the DLC practises however I remember playing Tekken 3 when I was younger and could unlock these characters by playing the game.. Nowadays I have to pay money for characters such as Anna Williams when previously you'd unlock her by finishing arcade mode as her sister

People will defend it though, some even say its the best Tekken game in the franchise despite it missing stuff that were in previous entries and charging for legacy characters.

In terms of CTR, it doesn't sit well with me.. The original never had it, a lot of the reason I like remakes is to avoid these modern-gaming practises.. It's even worse when taken into account that a lot of kids will play games like CTR and be spending their parents money on MT's.. Sadly kids today will never know the joys of unlocking stuff by playing the game, not spending money.

jeez I went on a bit of rant there didn't I xD

[mdesaleah]

Doktor Mandrake a écrit :

468528456 a écrit :

The people defending MTX are usually kids who weren't born in that era or were aged in the single digits. They can't remember what was a BETTER era because they were never there. They aren't really gamers either. As someone else put it, who wants to pay money to NOT play the game?

G'day mate

Ya this is how I normally feel about these situations too.. It's like with Tekken 7, loads of people defend the DLC practises however I remember playing Tekken 3 when I was younger and could unlock these characters by playing the game.. Nowadays I have to pay money for characters such as Anna Williams when previously you'd unlock her by finishing arcade mode as her sister

People will defend it though, some even say its the best Tekken game in the franchise despite it missing stuff that were in previous entries and charging for legacy characters.

In terms of CTR, it doesn't sit well with me.. The original never had it, a lot of the reason I like remakes is to avoid these modern-gaming practises.. It's even worse when taken into account that a lot of kids will play games like CTR and be spending their parents money on MT's.. Sadly kids today will never know the joys of unlocking stuff by playing the game, not spending money.

jeez I went on a bit of rant there didn't I xD

The only time DLC is done well is when it’s content added long after developments is over. See Smash 4 with its ballot vote and addition years later. Microtransactions have and will never be done well, DMC 5 comes close where it’s literally pointless but it’s still there.

[Doktor Mandrake]

mdesaleah a écrit :

Doktor Mandrake a écrit :

G'day mate

Ya this is how I normally feel about these situations too.. It's like with Tekken 7, loads of people defend the DLC practises however I remember playing Tekken 3 when I was younger and could unlock these characters by playing the game.. Nowadays I have to pay money for characters such as Anna Williams when previously you'd unlock her by finishing arcade mode as her sister

People will defend it though, some even say its the best Tekken game in the franchise despite it missing stuff that were in previous entries and charging for legacy characters.

In terms of CTR, it doesn't sit well with me.. The original never had it, a lot of the reason I like remakes is to avoid these modern-gaming practises.. It's even worse when taken into account that a lot of kids will play games like CTR and be spending their parents money on MT's.. Sadly kids today will never know the joys of unlocking stuff by playing the game, not spending money.

jeez I went on a bit of rant there didn't I xD

The only time DLC is done well is when it’s content added long after developments is over. See Smash 4 with its ballot vote and addition years later. Microtransactions have and will never be done well, DMC 5 comes close where it’s literally pointless but it’s still there.

Agreed.. When DLC feels like "additional content" and not just stuff that should of been in the base game, then I'm perfectly fine with it.. There's been lots of DLC I've enjoyed over the years but its always been these "expansion" type DLC's that offer good value

In terms of MT's the only pro side I can see is when we get new free content like in CTR's case, new tracks.. But I rather just pay for the content then have it free along with grindy progression systems.. The progression system in CTR is so slow it's painful, and they only offer double wumpa coins if you play online MP and not SP modes, but online MP in CTR is also painful imo, its just too unbalanced.

[Casurin]

Boderlands 2 did it right:
It had a lot of content already and they were rather transparent about what was to come. The big DLCs gave a lot fo content, the headhunter-updates were also good value, a new class.
I only ever had problems with the Skins - while not expensive compared to other games, paying 1$ for a single skin was still too much for my taste - only got them with the handsome-collection far later.

But here?
If you can unlock it with normal gameplay ok, Not if it is intentionally extremely grindy just to make people be happy that they can somehow avoid the braindead grind.
They have chosen to make the shop extremely rind just so they can get more people to pay.

[Hoksu]

Microtransactions should not exist in any game, period. When you buy a game then you have already bought stuff included in the game, you don't pay extra money for something you already bought. Besides even if a game isn't particularly grindy, the existence of microtransactions in games will inevitably lead to games that are a painfully dull grind unless you pay, since they are primarily designed to sell microtransactions. That is another reason why even relatively mild microtransaction schemes should never be accepted or supported.

DLC is paying money for NEW stuff. Sure many games use it to sell overpriced trash or stuff that should be in the base game, but there are also many games with great DLC that is well worth the money. Witcher 3, Assetto Corsa, Grim Dawn for example.

Microtransactions are paying additional money for something you already have. It is a completely rotten concept and anti-consumer practice, something that never adds anything positive to game.

[Taka]

sadly with scumlords like EA, bethesda, activision, ubisoft, nippon ichi... (god, the list goes on doesn't it?) around, those days will never come back as long as children like the ones seen in this very thread exist. THEY are the problem and THEY don't care because it's not their money anyway. just wait til they reach their twenties and discover how they have to pay for stuff with their own money. THEN they will start whining.

[FacuPovv]

Zelda a écrit :

Casurin a écrit :

if it is just normally ernable stuff - ok, still gonna get the game.
But now i will have to wait even longer as i will certainly Never pay full price for a game that also has micro transactions.
Even worse for a Remake - the gamedesign was already there - most of the designwork is already done, they "only" need to create the assets and the engine so they are rather easy and cheap in comparison to coming up with an entirely new game.

Same, it is just for cosmetics not for gameplay reasons

+1 Also its additional stuff, whats the problem they charge for it? The game has a lot of stuff originally that worth its price, now they will keep adding more constantly, why would they should give for free all the new stuff? And no, im not a kid that didnt played PS2, i started with NES, its the same as before, you pay the price for a full game, what they are charging its just additional stuff

[Naoya]

serpientesolida a écrit :

Zelda a écrit :

Same, it is just for cosmetics not for gameplay reasons

+1 Also its additional stuff, whats the problem they charge for it? The game has a lot of stuff originally that worth its price, now they will keep adding more constantly, why would they should give for free all the new stuff? And no, im not a kid that didnt played PS2, i started with NES, its the same as before, you pay the price for a full game, what they are charging its just additional stuff

The problem is the way they charge for it. Microtransactions are inherently scummy and manipulative, and have no place in a premium game. I can give them a pass in a F2P game, but this is clearly not the state of the game.

If they want to add things post launch then they can make DLC packs for them that unlock them right off the bat. Way less psychologically manipulative, won't make the game progression a grind to sucker people into paying up, and it's not taking advantage of people who are vulnerable to this kind of money grabbing scheme.

[Hoksu]

Microtransactions are not paying money for additional stuff, they are paying money for something you already have. They might try to justify it by saying something like MTX enable them to bring new stuff but the fact remains MTX mean they are asking us to buy stuff we already bought. MTX are absolutely not the right way to sell additional content.

As someone who also started playing during the NES era, I find absolutely disgusting this concept that paying real world money equals game progress or unlocking stuff included in your game. You play the game or you use cheat codes or console commands, but you don't pay to advance a game. It is so astonishingly illogical and anti-gamer that I cannot begin to understand why people support it. I will never pay full price for a game that includes MTX in any form, and generally avoid buying them altogether.

Also a related point is that idea that cosmetic stuff are somehow hugely expensive nowadays. Cosmetics are nice and all, but how about we stop thinking cosmetics are worth an arm and a leg when it's just petty stuff that anyone could make?

[Taka]

Hoksu a écrit :

Microtransactions are not paying money for additional stuff, they are paying money for something you already have. They might try to justify it by saying something like MTX enable them to bring new stuff but the fact remains MTX mean they are asking us to buy stuff we already bought. MTX are absolutely not the right way to sell additional content.

As someone who also started playing during the NES era, I find absolutely disgusting this concept that paying real world money equals game progress or unlocking stuff included in your game. You play the game or you use cheat codes or console commands, but you don't pay to advance a game. It is so astonishingly illogical and anti-gamer that I cannot begin to understand why people support it. I will never pay full price for a game that includes MTX in any form, and generally avoid buying them altogether.

Also a related point is that idea that cosmetic stuff are somehow hugely expensive nowadays. Cosmetics are nice and all, but how about we stop thinking cosmetics are worth an arm and a leg when it's just petty stuff that anyone could make?

True, anyone could make it. but then you get the games on switch and ps4 and you cant get those unless you mod and risk bricking your console and getting it banned online.

I'm not defending the price in any way, btw.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

I'm just going to leave this here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/323670/Super_Indie_Karts/
As for Crash Team Racing Nitro Fuel, I'm pretty sure Activision is pushing their luck with that game. I've heard the excuse "player choice" to defend this crap, but it's 100% bull crap. If it was about "player choice" every character, costume, track, powerup, kart, paint job, etc. in the game would be unlocked from the start with no exceptions.

[Duckilous]

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews a écrit :

I'm just going to leave this here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/323670/Super_Indie_Karts/
As for Crash Team Racing Nitro Fuel, I'm pretty sure Activision is pushing their luck with that game. I've heard the excuse "player choice" to defend this crap, but it's 100% bs. If it was about "player choice" every character, costume, track, powerup, kart, paint job, etc. in the game would be unlocked from the start with no exceptions.

I can’t believe why anyone would defend this when these microtransactions are clearly there to prey on people who lacks time or patience to earn Wumpa Coins in a slow pace for buying expensive cosmetics when they could’ve just, you know, reduce the grinding.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Duckilous a écrit :

I can’t believe why anyone would defend this when these microtransactions are clearly there to prey on people who lacks time or patience to earn Wumpa Coins in a slow pace for buying expensive cosmetics when they could’ve just, you know, reduce the grinding.

Yeah, I know. The other one is "It's just cosmetic." Well, Fallout 76 was just cosmetic. Look what they're doing now, selling people kits that give them advantage as they don't have to travel so far to scrap stuff. Actually, now that I think about it, I wonder if the reason they didn't release on PC is because they fear people taking a save editor to the save files and giving themselves lots of wumpa coins that way.

[KillerAtWar]

CTR has the worst boost in anygame I bought a switch on Tuesday & bought CTR the boost is fkn terrible to get right..It will be getting traded in 2moz.

[Doktor Mandrake]

Duckilous a écrit :

Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews a écrit :

I'm just going to leave this here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/323670/Super_Indie_Karts/
As for Crash Team Racing Nitro Fuel, I'm pretty sure Activision is pushing their luck with that game. I've heard the excuse "player choice" to defend this crap, but it's 100% bs. If it was about "player choice" every character, costume, track, powerup, kart, paint job, etc. in the game would be unlocked from the start with no exceptions.

I can’t believe why anyone would defend this when these microtransactions are clearly there to prey on people who lacks time or patience to earn Wumpa Coins in a slow pace for buying expensive cosmetics when they could’ve just, you know, reduce the grinding.

G'day mate

Yes I have to agree, if the OG crash team racing had unlockable cosmetics like this one does, they would be unlockable at a decent pace where as in this remake it's actually VERY grindy, and intentionally made that way to sell MT's

online MP is only way to really earn coins at a semi-decent rate, especially when daily bonus and weekend bonus but I hate being forced into playing the online MP lol

Still a good game but the grind to unlock costumes, karts and stuff kind of taints it