The AK 47 against M4A1-S Topic

[SH☭LEM]

So, after playing CS 1.6 and CS:GO I am in no doubt that there was a little thought behind the concept of having two teams with different but yet balanced weapons.

Everyone playing CS for more than 2 hours should see that the most weapons used are somewhat the AK for Terrorists and the M4 for Counter-Terrorists. The balancing of those two weapons though has a major impact to the whole game. Since the AK got recently nerfed and the M4A1 with Suppressor found its introdution I am not pleased with competetive matches anymore and I have the strong feeling that the new M4A1 is outmatching her counterpart. I hope to start a diskussion here to see what the community thinks. So much to introdution.

To explain my slowly grown anger with the M4A1: I have been a good player (MG E) with the AK. I liked the concept of a hard to control gun that has the ability to kill someone with one shot to the head. For cqc you could try your luck with bursts and spraying and with skill it wasn't that bad. (Am I really explaining an AK here?) On the other hand, there is the M4A4 with its controllable bursts and an easy to remember Spraypattern. A lot of players know how to burst with two shots to get an almost equally chance in long range Combat when it comes to Headshots against an AK. Single shots against Burst. Burstins against controlled spraying. Ak against M4A4.

But wait. There is a new gun. Its called M4 but it has nothing much to do with the "old" one. I didn't even had to look at the spraypattern. It just straight forwad instant recoilless fun. Aim for the head and shoot. Dont let go the mousebutton - if you fail to insta-kill him, proceed in shooting: Since the 3rd or 4th bullet will do the HS or kill him anyways (And concering the low recoil, you can somewhat burst with up to 6 Bullets before going into spraying)! Because of the fast shooting rate it usually fits. So this gun is now competeting against the AK? Single, well aimed shots and bursts against mind- and recoilless burstin'?! And honestly, I don't know how you play, but 20 shots is not really downgrading the M4.

I played the AK and in between one month I suck with my old gun and go on freaking rampages with its counterpart. That shouldn't happen, now does it?!

Discussion please!

[Darkstar]

The AK is too inaccurate for me.I'd rather have the standard M4 (not the -S)

[Lisa Yates]

引用自 Lutece：

The AK is too inaccurate for me.I'd rather have the standard M4 (not the -S)

normally i would agree but i cant cause your a city fan.

[Zecele]

I try not to use them anymore they have become extremely dull and boring to use.

[SH☭LEM]

Youre talking about the M4-S then, djdecks? And besides that, the AK has pin-point accuracy at the first shot... but it seems that its overall accuracy is much lower than. Am i Getting you right, Lutece?

[Anuran]

i want the good old m4a1 back. (right click = silencer) with full ammo..not the crap we currently have although i always was an AK fan :p

[PORTEGIES]

i like to play with the AK47

[76561197980165702]

Whats wrong with the M4A1-S Having lower recoil?

The entire point of an Ak is to 1 shot your oppononet, once you missed that 1st shot you were always at a disadvatange to an M4... be it M4A1 or M4A4.

And you say its OP? Try to defend a 3-5 man rush into a site with the M4A1... I wish you luck with that when your fighting 3 people who know what they are doing. Those 20 bullets mean more then your mkaing it out to be in a 5 v 5 game for defenders.

[James Bond]

I think all 3 guns are pretty balanced, and just personally I still prefer the M4A4 over the M4A1-S.

That said, I have been thinking if it'd be interesting for Ts to get the same sort of option with their own AK variant with perhaps more speed and lower recoil, but with less stopping power on the first shot. Personally, I think this might make it too much like the M4, but maybe something can be done to give Ts a similar option.

[76561198074507701]

i like ak47 :) but i'm training both

[haha]

Totally Agree, I'm new to the game, and I'm much better with the m4a1 than the ak 47 its just soo hard to get even 3 shot bursts without missing a shot or something, while on the m4 u can do like 5 even 6 shot bursts, 1 shot kill headshot kill for the ak47 i feel is not enough to make it equally powerful as the m4a1, personally i think the m4 is much more powerful overall, i feel the ak is at its weakest at med range combat when you have someone shooting at you with an m4a1 AND strafing, while you cant land 3 shots consecutively while standing still :/

[foxinabox]

I don't know why everyone says that that ak is inaccurate it's pretty much always accurate if you know how to burst...

[Caharin]

I have been playing with all three guns for a while.

Abusing the spray pattern on the AK is much more rewarding than any of the M4 rifles. The M4A1-S trades quantity for quality, you get more for each bullet but you have less bullets.

Just counting on it:
1: AK-47, 30 rounds per mag, four mags per round, 2700$, can one-shot.
2: M4A4, 30 rounds per mag, four mags per round, 3100$, most likely won't one-shot.
3: M4A1-S, 20 rounds per mag, three mags per round, 2900$, no muzzle-flash, no radar reveal, no bullets to track. Deals less damage than either of the above. Can't one-shot.

So, on the AK we have alot of power, for less accuracy when bursting and spraying. On the M4A4 we have a higher accuracy, less damage and easier to spray with. Also, the M4A4 is accurate while jumping. Then we have M4A1-S, less shots, higher accuracy, easy spray pattern. The M4A1-S is more accurate while moving.

I play with 4 friends, never solo, and this is our take: AK-47, we try to always have five AK:s as T. M4A4, I am pretty much the only one using it, since I am sort of the entry-fragger, I rush and give intel, my friends sit with M4A1-S and shoot the stray people.

My personal opinion, the silencer is cool as hell, and there are more cool skins (Looking at you guys, Nitro and Guardian....) but I value the extra rounds more than being undetected.

[burek borelius]

Playing with the AK-47, if you know how to use it, it is one of the most powerful weapons in the game because of that lethal first headshot. It should be fired in small bursts of two or even one shot at the upper body, torso, and head.

Due to the high recoil, if one is spraying with the AK-47, one must aim much lower (at the feet of the opponent, depending on the distance to target) to compensate for the recoil and randomness of the shots.

However, if one uses the AK how it's supposed to be used, it is a truly deadly weapon, only second to what I think is the best weapon - the AWP.

[apple]

引用自 S.A.F Knugen：

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2: M4A4, 30 rounds per mag, four mags per round, 3100$, most likely won't one-shot.
3: M4A1-S, 20 rounds per mag, three mags per round, 2900$, no muzzle-flash, no radar reveal, no bullets to track. Deals less damage than either of the above. Can't one-shot.

M4A1-S does the exact same damge as the M4A4 at any range, the silencer doesn't increase damage fall off comapred to the M4A4. Also the radar doesn't reveal where you are with any gun no matter if its silenced. The radar does not have "ears" except for the decoys.

[DNs]

引用自 NippleJuice：

Lol AK47 will always be the best weapon in CS cant deny that and the m4a1 is just pile of crap use the m4a4 instead of that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ 20 bullet rifle, Many people are just using it because of the silencer, I mean why 20 bullets when the damage is the same... OK you wont be spotted but most of the time the enemy can call where you are.

For me the best RIFLE is the M4A1, based on low recoil/dmg/stealth on radar/ no bullet tracers/less sounds by firing/and the speed of firing.

And i mean if you need more than 6 bullets per kill, youre a spammer and should evolve your aim :D

AK and maybe the M4A4 may be heard all over the map when fired without need to face :)