Lower the price of the M4?

[BIG SCOPE]

I've never understood why the M4 is priced higher than the AK, especially now; since in CSGO it's clearly at a disadvantage because since it doesn't have the silencer, and it's not a one-shot headshot kill.

M4A4: $3,100
AK47: $2,500

I mean if we must keep the AK at a cheaper price (for some odd reason) then at least lower the M4 by 300 or so, making it $2,800

I understand the fact that defence in most cases is easier than offence, but 3.1k is too high, to buy a full kit you'll need $4,700 (M4, Armor, Defuse, Flash), which at that point, you might as well save the money, for future rounds.

In competitive, I often end up picking up the famas 8/10 times when on CT, I feel like it's on par with the M4 in terms of accuracy, and it's only slightly weaker than it too. And of course; it's price point is much better as well, being at $2250 (which isn't far from an AK on T)

What do you think? In terms of cost, the Galil and AK are priced far better than the FAMAS and M4. Do you think the M4 should get a price drop? Even if it's 200, or 300.


/discuss

[ninjaholic]

The price differences balance the game. It means harsher financial penalties for the Counter-Terrorists who have the advantage since they are defending.

[BIG SCOPE]

Originally posted by ninjaholic:

The price differences balance the game. It means harsher financial penalties for the Counter-Terrorists who have the advantage since they are defending.

I guess on a professional level, I agree. Since you're more likely to see a 10-5 games on CT, and then it's 5-10 on T. But as for the competitive ranked system, I dunno, I just feel like it's too dear on certain cases.

[nya[dc]]

The M4 costing more was ONLY acceptable when it had a silencer, it's completely unbalanced now and the M4 is not even in the same weapon class as the AK anymore technically, it has too many drawbacks.

AK-47 Pros

High damage, capable of single shot kills to the head with armor/helmut.
Long range accuracy
High damage at long range
$2,700 price tag

Cons

High recoil
Medium-high spread

M4A3 Pros

Medium recoil
Medium spread
Long range accuracy
Suppressed firing sound (Silencer)

Cons

Medium damage, not capable of single shot kills to the head with armor/helmut.
Medium damage at long range
$3,100 price tag
Minor damage reduction (Silencer)


The M4 without a silencer is a substantially less effective weapon which costs more money, with a silencer it is still less effective but it has a great trade off to compensate for this. The silencer allowed you to kill people without the other team being aware of your location.

The AK-47 is an overpowered weapon when comparared to the current M4, or you could consider the M4 underpowered, either way the balance is off and the weapon trade offs are very unbalanced.

[BIG SCOPE]

^Agree.

I can't do real damage with the M4 at longer ranges, especially against a T with an AK. It doesn't even act the same way in terms of animation and recoil (to me) compared to the M4, whilst the AK feels similar if not the same as 1.6 (but not source).

I do wish the'd bring back sliencers. It would make it more interesting again

Originally posted by deuce:

M4 is not even in the same weapon class as the AK anymore technically, it has too many drawbacks.

100% agree. This is why I choose FAMAS in competitve more often than the M4. Not just because of the price, but because I don't feel like they vastly different. The famas has a sweet burst mode which is extremely effective at long ranges, especially when trying to defend spots. Like near A on inferno, around corners. Just spamming to defend the spot. I would like to either see a damage increase on the M4 (something along the lines of 1 shot kill headshot), bring back the silencer or simply lower the price by 300 (best option).

[nya[dc]]

As far as I am concerned the M4 is now the CT counterpart to the T Galil, not the AK-47.

[BIG SCOPE]

Watching the competitive scene, I would say otherwise. But what does every pro do at the end of each round? Search for an AK. I really would like this to be less of a consistant thing. I want the weapons that you can purchase to be as good as the weapons on T. I think a price drop would be the best way to resolve this issue, as I doubt valve wants to add the silencers back.

[alm0st907]

Yes the M4 does seem out of place with the current stats of it. It costs more and doesnt do the damage. I can understand the need for it to be more expensive because CT's have the advantage of defending rather than attacking, but the FAMAS is just so much better for the price and is much more consistent.

Long story short, it needs to be changed up.

[boogabooga]

i have gotten like 5 - 6 aces using the m4a3 and it does need silencer, but it is still a very good weapon

[Gnaaaachen]

AK47 costs 2700 :P
But your are right...
If the price will stay at 3100 the M4 needs a little upgrade...
Maybe the Silencer back?

[☢ Snuifje]

i really miss the silencer on the m4...
in the old days, it had a silencer AND a scope. now that was overpowered ofcourse :-)

[Uncleben]

I believe there was some talk about bringing silencers back at some point, but it was not a high priority right now.

[ChinGaChGuk]

The price is fair.

[BIG SCOPE]

Originally posted by Canada eh:

i have gotten like 5 - 6 aces using the m4a3 and it does need silencer, but it is still a very good weapon

oh I definitely with on you on that. I personally prefer the M4 over the AK, because the spray is easier to controll and the recoil is better as well. However, I know the AK is a better weapon in all aspects, so I rarely buy the M4 in competitive, just because I know I can find an AK lying around at the end of the rounds. It just doesn't seem like a far price point. Either add the silencer or lower the price slightly, because it certainly doesn't feel worth the price as of right now.