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Tournament cheaters should be arrested and charged
Think about it. There is money involved in tournaments and if a player was to cheat they are pretty much stealing from other players's opportunities to win prize money. They are also cheating ticket purchasers and fans watching the competition as these fans and ticket purchasers paid good money to see "professionals" compete with an expected set of rules.

Given the known absurd mount of cheating that goes on in CS2 and what seems to be the inability of their developers to combat cheating this is something Valve should instate and we as a community can get behind. Now, Washington state in the USA, where Valve seems to be headquartered at is seems to be very protective of criminals, however that does not mean as a gaming community we can try to make an impact on suggesting Valve to having a policy to reporting cheaters to law enforcement for criminal acts and having those thieves being arrested. Maybe this is something that can curtail cheating altogether.
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kanzaki Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:05am 
The problem is they seem to be banning based off accusations, not off proper evidence. For example the Never More team got banned for cheating vs Movistar KOI (who they won against) after pro players were crying about cheating, and Movistar KOI got into the closed qualifiers in their place. But now they unbanned Never More because the admin made a mistake..

You think they are banning based off anticheat logs? No, it's based off community pressure.. The anticheat is trash. Everybody who got banned so far were only teams that pro players were crying about, but that doesn't mean they are actually cheaters.
Originally posted by ungrateful:
The problem is they seem to be banning based off accusations, not off proper evidence. For example the Never More team got banned for cheating vs Movistar KOI (who they won against) after pro players were crying about cheating, and Movistar KOI got into the closed qualifiers in their place. But now they unbanned Never More because the admin made a mistake..

You think they are banning based off anticheat logs? No, it's based off community pressure.. The anticheat is trash. Everybody who got banned so far were only teams that pro players were crying about, but that doesn't mean they are actually cheaters.


No. Have you seen the videos of live tournaments where the cheaters obviously were caught by officials? I'm sure you have. Are those "accusations"? Clear evidence being cheating files running on their machines and clear as day wall hack boxes visible in the UI. All over Youtube, clear events, clear evidence. Those are not "accusations". I said tournaments buddy, not put together games.
Last edited by {SçM}TonyFetuccini_; Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:18am
Си́нтез Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:21am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Originally posted by ungrateful:
The problem is they seem to be banning based off accusations, not off proper evidence. For example the Never More team got banned for cheating vs Movistar KOI (who they won against) after pro players were crying about cheating, and Movistar KOI got into the closed qualifiers in their place. But now they unbanned Never More because the admin made a mistake..

You think they are banning based off anticheat logs? No, it's based off community pressure.. The anticheat is trash. Everybody who got banned so far were only teams that pro players were crying about, but that doesn't mean they are actually cheaters.


No. Have you seen the videos of live tournaments where the cheaters obviously were caught by officials? I'm sure you have. Are those "accusations"? Clear evidence being cheating files running on their machines and clear as day wall hack boxes visible in the UI. I said tournaments buddy, not put together games.
Valve doesn't run or manage most of the tournaments , this is way beyond their jurisdiction. Tournament organiser has every reason to look into it cause they could be held liable and ask help from valve to determine if cheating can be confirmed or not.
Originally posted by Си́нтез:
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:


No. Have you seen the videos of live tournaments where the cheaters obviously were caught by officials? I'm sure you have. Are those "accusations"? Clear evidence being cheating files running on their machines and clear as day wall hack boxes visible in the UI. I said tournaments buddy, not put together games.
Valve doesn't run or manage most of the tournaments , this is way beyond their jurisdiction. Tournament organiser has every reason to look into it cause they could be held liable and ask help from valve to determine if cheating can be confirmed or not.

Valve owns the rights to the game, they made the game, it is ultimately their game, on their platform and everyone plays on their platform, regardless of the tournaments being ran by third parties. It is "their game". They have all the power in the world to enforce cheating measures with law enforcement.
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ktulu84 Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:30am 
Oh cool, cs players are finally becoming tf2 players. whats next? should we also dox and send death threats to them?

There is a reason why you will not be arrested if you cheat in international olympics

Go ahead and find me a law about how cheating in a private competition can result jail time
Originally posted by BoraY:
Oh cool, cs players are finally becoming tf2 players. whats next? should we also dox and send death threats to them?

There is a reason why you will not be arrested if you cheat in international olympics

Go ahead and find me a law about how cheating in a private competition can result jail time

Its a suggestion and these people are in fact "stealing" from truthful people. Doxing and death threats are not lawful. That is a completely different context, far out of the range of the reading comprehension I was stating in my original post. Additionally, there have been charges brought up against people cheating in the Olympics. It took a simple second Google search to verify this. Btw, your avid defense of cheaters makes it seem like you are you a cheater yourself. Do you concur?
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ithie Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:32am 
Generic sarcastic uninformed response: "chill out it's just a video game".

But yeah I agree. Consequences of cheating should be harsh and punishing. Specially when found out in tournaments where lots of money are involved.

Don't think jail time is the solution though. But hefty fines and banned from future competition.
Like Emilio now in the Copenhagen qualifiers.
Last edited by ithie; Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:34am
åkiuara Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:34am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Think about it. There is money involved in tournaments and if a player was to cheat they are pretty much stealing from other players's opportunities to win prize money. They are also cheating ticket purchasers and fans watching the competition as these fans and ticket purchasers paid good money to see "professionals" compete with an expected set of rules.

Given the known absurd mount of cheating that goes on in CS2 and what seems to be the inability of their developers to combat cheating this is something Valve should instate and we as a community can get behind. Now, Washington state in the USA, where Valve seems to be headquartered at is seems to be very protective of criminals, however that does not mean as a gaming community we can try to make an impact on suggesting Valve to having a policy to reporting cheaters to law enforcement for criminal acts and having those thieves being arrested. Maybe this is something that can curtail cheating altogether.
I won few time on those kind of tournaments here on our country via a private discord group tournament, but it was held on -insecure non protected server lol.
ktulu84 Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:36am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Originally posted by BoraY:
Oh cool, cs players are finally becoming tf2 players. whats next? should we also dox and send death threats to them?

There is a reason why you will not be arrested if you cheat in international olympics

Go ahead and find me a law about how cheating in a private competition can result jail time

Its a suggestion and these people are in fact "stealing" from truthful people. Btw, your avid defense of cheaters makes it seem like you are you a cheater yourself. Do you concur?
You cant steal anything until you get caught lol, literally nobody won a tournament by cheating because the organizators already check the computers of suspicious players

And Im not defending cheaters, Im defending the people. Yeah lets send people to jail because they used cheats in a computer game. Cheating is forbidden but its not illegal. Go ahead an show me a law about cheating in video games and how can they result jail time

Disqualifying them from the tournamrnt already ruins their career and life enough
Last edited by ktulu84; Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:38am
Originally posted by BoraY:
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

Its a suggestion and these people are in fact "stealing" from truthful people. Btw, your avid defense of cheaters makes it seem like you are you a cheater yourself. Do you concur?
You cant steal anything until you get caught lol, literally nobody won a tournament by cheating because the organizators already check the computers of suspicious players

And Im not defending cheaters, Im defending the people. Yeah lets send people to jail because they used cheats in a computer game

Disqualifying them from the tournamrnt already ruins their career and life enough

The context is people invest money and time into a practice to win a tournament involving money. And someone cheats in an effort to "steal" that money from those
who worked, practiced, and invested time and money to win that prize money. This isn't the same as cheating in a non-prize money tournament/game.

Also regarding your intelligent statement of, "You cant steal anything unless you get caught". So if a person was to steal 1000 dollars from someones purse, or walk into their house and take their television or jewelry, and if they didn't "get caught", means they didn't steal? Is that really your mentality? Seems to me you are defending cheaters with that one chief.

So your avid defense of not punishing cheaters makes it seem like you are a cheater yourself.
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Си́нтез Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Originally posted by Си́нтез:
Valve doesn't run or manage most of the tournaments , this is way beyond their jurisdiction. Tournament organiser has every reason to look into it cause they could be held liable and ask help from valve to determine if cheating can be confirmed or not.

Valve owns the rights to the game, they made the game, it is ultimately their game, on their platform and everyone plays on their platform, regardless of the tournaments being ran by third parties. It is "their game". They have all the power in the world to enforce cheating measures with law enforcement.
I don't know, many people won't enjoy valve suing some kid getting sued by valve - blow to their reputation. Pursuing legal case costs money.
There is a reason why valve has a long history of winning legal cases, cause they carefully planned ahead. I would rather see them releasing new hat than seeing them wasting time on small time playwr in a small time tournament. Again if tournament organiser sees cheating they could contact the authorities. But valve? Tournament is miles away from them they have not much idea what is going on.
ktulu84 Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:46am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Originally posted by BoraY:
You cant steal anything until you get caught lol, literally nobody won a tournament by cheating because the organizators already check the computers of suspicious players

And Im not defending cheaters, Im defending the people. Yeah lets send people to jail because they used cheats in a computer game

Disqualifying them from the tournamrnt already ruins their career and life enough

The context is people invest money and time into a practice to win a tournament involving money. And someone cheats in an effort to "steal" that money from those
who worked, practiced, and invested time and money to win that prize money. This isn't the same as cheating in a non-prize money tournament/game.

Also regarding your intelligent statement of, "You cant steal anything unless you get caught". So if a person was to steal 1000 dollars from someones purse, or walk into their house and take their television or jewelry, and if they didn't "get caught", means they didn't steal? Is that really your mentality? Seems to me you are defending cheaters with that one chief.

So your avid defense of not punishing cheaters makes it seem like you are a cheater yourself.
"Until proven guilty, everyone is innocent" You cant know if someone is stealing something if you dont know if he is stealing it. If a cheater wins a tournament and the organizators agree that he didnt cheat then its not a cheater, so technically a cheater cant win

People who cheats already gets disqualified and thats the rule.

Again, there is no law that makes you go to jail if you are caught using cheats

And once again, Im just discussing the topic. I did not defend any cheat acts
Last edited by ktulu84; Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:47am
Originally posted by BoraY:
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

"You cant steal anything unless you get caught". So if a person was to steal 1000 dollars from someones purse, or walk into their house and take their television or jewelry, and if they didn't "get caught", means they didn't steal? Is that really your mentality? Seems to me you are defending cheaters with that one chief.
No, they did steal it because you knew that

Until guilty, everyone is innocent. Thats exactly what law workers say

Thats why the original post says "arrested and charged". I didn't say anything about being guilty, however once again, if you were to actually read what I continued to post about evidence (on video evidence) of cheaters cheating clearly getting caught by officials then they would be in fact guilty if they were to be brought before a court and jury. That is exactly what the law enforces. Please stop posting, as every single one of your posts contradict your past posts and makes is seem like you are a cheater sympathizer.
ktulu84 Jan 13, 2024 @ 12:48am 
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:
Originally posted by BoraY:
No, they did steal it because you knew that

Until guilty, everyone is innocent. Thats exactly what law workers say

Thats why the original post says "arrested and charged". I didn't say anything about being guilty
You cant be "arrested and charged" if you cant be find guilty :HEALTHFUL:
Originally posted by BoraY:
Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

Thats why the original post says "arrested and charged". I didn't say anything about being guilty
You cant be "arrested and charged" if you cant be find guilty :HEALTHFUL:

Maybe not in Turkey where you are from, but in Washington state USA, as I said in my original post, where Valve is headquartered at, you can. Please stop speaking on USA and Washington state law which you know nothing about. And stop defending cheaters buddy.

I'd also like to understand your logic behind your intelligent statement of, "You cant steal anything unless you get caught". So if a person was to steal 1000 dollars from someones purse, or walk into their house and take their television or jewelry, and if they didn't "get caught", means they didn't steal? Is that really your mentality? Seems to me you are defending cheaters with that one chief. Please do answer this question which you continuously avoid.
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