Kernel Level Anti-Cheat is a Must Like Faceit

[BLoCKANDLOADED ⭕⃤]

I wanted to start a discussion about a topic that has been on my mind lately: the need for Valve to implement a kernel-level anti-cheat system in their games. While there may be concerns about privacy, it's important to understand that a kernel-level anti-cheat can be a game-changer for the integrity and fairness of online gaming.

First, let's clarify what a kernel-level anti-cheat system is. In simple terms, it's a type of anti-cheat software that runs at a deeper level in your computer's operating system, making it more effective in detecting and preventing cheating in online games. This approach can significantly reduce the number of cheaters and enhance the gaming experience for all of us.

Now, some folks have expressed concerns about privacy issues when it comes to kernel-level anti-cheat. However, it's crucial to address these concerns. Valve, like other reputable gaming companies, understands the importance of safeguarding user privacy. They're not interested in intruding into your personal data or compromising your privacy. The primary goal is to protect the integrity of the game and ensure that everyone can enjoy a fair and cheat-free experience.

In fact, many other major game developers and publishers have successfully implemented kernel-level anti-cheat systems without any privacy breaches or issues. They've managed to strike the right balance between anti-cheat measures and user privacy. Valve can certainly do the same.

So, instead of immediately dismissing the idea of kernel-level anti-cheat due to privacy concerns, I think we should encourage Valve to explore this option further. After all, it's in the best interest of both the developers and the players to create a fair and enjoyable gaming environment.

Let's engage in a constructive conversation about this topic. Do you think Valve should consider a kernel-level anti-cheat, and if so, what safeguards and transparency measures would you like to see in place? Share your thoughts and let's work together to promote a more secure and cheat-free gaming experience.

[pawg jiggle physics]

will never happen, the most they'll do is bring back the overwatch system and act like it's going to solve cheating

[Shadow]

Do you realise that Valorant has a kernel level anticheat and is still full of cheaters ? Your point dosn't make any sense.

[Shadow]

and I actually studied IT, you just copy + pasted someones opinion about that topic and still don't understand a glimp of what kernel level really means and why people were concerned about privacy when valorant implemented it.

Let me clarify, if you give a programm on your PC "kernel level access" you give up all your security, they can change basically everything on your PC without your agreement or your knowledge. They can redirect websites when you surf the internet, collecting data like passwords of your bank account/paypal and so on. They can also manipulate different programs to work how they want.

[BLoCKANDLOADED ⭕⃤]

Originally posted by Jesus:

and I actually studied IT, you just copy + pasted someones opinion about that topic and still don't understand a glimp of what kernel level really means and why people were concerned about privacy when valorant implemented it.

Let me clarify, if you give a programm on your PC "kernel level access" you give up all your security, they can change basically everything on your PC without your agreement or your knowledge. They can redirect websites when you surf the internet, collecting data like passwords of your bank account/paypal and so on. They can also manipulate different programs to work how they want.

Im a Senior Software Engineer

[Shadow]

And furthermore, it's not about the concern that Valve will actually do bad stuff, but what if valve servers are hacked (like PS and Xbox before) then the access of all our data is in the hands of someone criminal, sounds fun right ?

[Shadow]

I don't believe a word you say, because someone with real knowledge wouldn't spread such stupid opinions.

[az0id]

Originally posted by BLoCKANDLOADED:

Originally posted by Jesus:

and I actually studied IT, you just copy + pasted someones opinion about that topic and still don't understand a glimp of what kernel level really means and why people were concerned about privacy when valorant implemented it.

Let me clarify, if you give a programm on your PC "kernel level access" you give up all your security, they can change basically everything on your PC without your agreement or your knowledge. They can redirect websites when you surf the internet, collecting data like passwords of your bank account/paypal and so on. They can also manipulate different programs to work how they want.

Im a Senior Software Engineer

Then you also know that any game has no right to install any kernel level code into any system. Remember what happened when Sony used kernel level copy protection measures?

[OnlyC]

If Valve want to go this way, they already did for 10 years.

[BLoCKANDLOADED ⭕⃤]

Originally posted by Jesus:

Do you realise that Valorant has a kernel level anticheat and is still full of cheaters ? Your point dosn't make any sense.

Been a workshop of some kind of that and cheat devs are having a hard time to bypass AC of Valorant. there are cheaters in Valorant but infact there are lesser than the percentage that we have in Normal MM of CS 2. see in faceit CS 2 and same as Valorant AC.

[leo☑️⚡]

Isso e muito complicado

[BLoCKANDLOADED ⭕⃤]

Originally posted by 괜찮아:

If Valve want to go this way, they already did for 10 years.

They did 10 years ago but some sort of karen cried thata it sniffed his "DNS"

[w]

Originally posted by Jesus:

and I actually studied IT, you just copy + pasted someones opinion about that topic and still don't understand a glimp of what kernel level really means and why people were concerned about privacy when valorant implemented it.

Let me clarify, if you give a programm on your PC "kernel level access" you give up all your security, they can change basically everything on your PC without your agreement or your knowledge. They can redirect websites when you surf the internet, collecting data like passwords of your bank account/paypal and so on. They can also manipulate different programs to work how they want.

F that, if it could stop the cheating problem then I m ok with it

[Silver 1]

make the game $199 dollars , lets see how many cheat.

[Pisstachios]

Originally posted by BLoCKANDLOADED ⭕⃤:

Im a Senior Software Engineer

As a sys admin/engineer/dev-ops/developer who actually knows things about cybersecurity, you're just another terrible programmer in my eyes because you seem to be completely clueless about what an actual security ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a kernel level anticheat poses.

First off, kernel level anti cheats can be bypassed by kernel level cheats. Second, while kernel level may be more effective at cutting down the amount of cheaters as it raises the level of effort to create hacks that bypass the AC, it's not even close to worth the cost.

Imagine someone compromises Valve's anticheat system. They're immediately gifted a botnet of millions of gaming systems they can use to mine crypto (Anybody remember when the ESEA client did that?) or lets say they're just malicious, they can literally ♥♥♥♥ with the firmware in your devices and cause irreparable damage to expensive components. Worst case, they can steal the identities of millions of people to be used for credit fraud and all kinds of other ♥♥♥♥, that each of us could be held liable for and at a minimum have to spend months to years cleaning up.

These risks are just not worth it. AI anticheat is in development and while it's taking Valve a long time to get it going, this is the future of anti cheat.

[TheKillerChicken]

I am more for deep-learning AI modules as an anticheat system then a kernel-level one. I, for one am so glad Valve never resorted to Deneuvo anti-cheat/anti-tamper as that spaghetti code cesspool of a protocol uses more processing power per-game than NASA would ever use in an entire week.