Ridiculous point system in Premiere

[Companion Pube]

I'm stuck at 4000k Elo in Premiere. If I win I get +100, but if I lose I get -500. How is that reasonable?

[skankhunt42]

depends on the strength of your team and that of your opponent.

also skill issue you noob.

[Pizzashot]

The system is absolutely broken before you get in to 4500+.
I also lost -500 when I was at 4000 and it was infuriating but now at 5.5k it is more like +100 -100 and a win/lose streak increases the number. I guess the system tries to figure out if you are good enough to rank up but it just feels broken and unfair.

[Companion Pube]

Originally posted by skankhunt42:

depends on the strength of your team and that of your opponent.

also skill issue you noob.

I played 50 Premiere matches and I've never gotten more than +125 on a win, but every loss (only exists above 4k) is at least -230, but most of the time -500. I swear I've never gotten +130 on a win.

[Pizzashot]

You get more than +130 if you are on a winstreak. My best has been +350 but I lost that game and it went back to +100 or something. Lose streaks are also a thing but I think it is completely broken that it starts at -500 for low ranks, it should always start at +100/-100.

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by Companion Pube:

I'm stuck at 4000k Elo in Premiere. If I win I get +100, but if I lose I get -500. How is that reasonable?

same .. its so stupid.. when playing solo i get 3/8 wins ... its pathetic. most of the time i have some toxic rushers in team who always blame the loss on last one alive, who's usually me.
i use tactics, while they just rush, die, repeat, then blame it on me for being alive lol

[Companion Pube]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

The system is absolutely broken before you get in to 4500+.
I also lost -500 when I was at 4000 and it was infuriating but now at 5.5k it is more like +100 -100 and a win/lose streak increases the number. I guess the system tries to figure out if you are good enough to rank up but it just feels broken and unfair.

Ah so it's not just me. Yeah that system seems really broken, guess I need to get 5 wins in a row to break out of this cycle. Seems completely impossible as a solo queuer though :(

[N o d L]

3.7k rn n in a game where I win 350 n lose nothing

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by Nodl:

3.7k rn n in a game where I win 350 n lose nothing

you start losing 500 per loss when over 4000, its quite broken ... you literally need 80% win ratio just to keep your rank same and over 80% to climb above ... really broken

[N o d L]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Nodl:

3.7k rn n in a game where I win 350 n lose nothing

you start losing 500 per loss when over 4000, its quite broken ... you literally need 80% win ratio just to keep your rank same and over 80% to climb above ... really broken

Just hit 4k so gonna see now, Honestly not excited to see ahah

[Razgriz]

I ha 14978, I won a match and it only gave me 21 points, F u Gaben

[PEEG]

I totally understand your frustration with the Elo system. It does seem unbalanced if you're gaining so few points for wins and losing a lot for losses. This could be due to the matchmaking algorithm trying to adjust your Elo to what it considers your true skill level, but it definitely feels unfair.

It might help to review your recent matches and see if there's a pattern or specific areas where you can improve. Additionally, reaching out to Valve support for clarification on the Elo calculation might provide some insights. Hopefully, they can adjust the system to make it more balanced for everyone.

[mam1aS]

Originally posted by Companion Pube:

I'm stuck at 4000k Elo in Premiere. If I win I get +100, but if I lose I get -500. How is that reasonable?

Point system works perfectly fine. Got on my elo very quick. Most of my games were win 400 lose 80

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

if it's -500 for a loss and +100 for a win for you you are on a loss streak

if it's +500 for a win and -100 for a loss for you you are on a win streak

you can't break out of a loss streak by winning just once, if you've lost 5 times in a row then you'll have to win 4 times in a row to get back on track of equal points both for winning and for losing, I think it's quite fair

(or not in a row, but just enough times to cover your amount of losses)

[elite outsider]

it means you have to win more than you lose to advance

in this case it means you have to win about 5 times for every loss to advance (that's the way valve has it tuned)

so it's something like an 83% (5 out of 6) winrate required to consistently advance..which is honestly very harsh, especially for a team game

that's 5 out of 6 just to advance, not to rank up from one section to another..just to not fall behind from the penalty of the losses

so conceptually it's fine but the tuning of it is obviously wrong, and will cause lots of people to be in a lower rank than what their 'true rank' is (which then has a snowball effect of making things artificially harder for players whose 'true rank' is the lower one you have been pushed down into)

this is how we had the "everyone is silver" situation which they responded to by artificially shuffling people into higher ranks (which they will just 'fall back down from' because the winrate tuning in comp is roughly the same idea - you can't see a number but you can get a feel for it by counting your wins and losses on each map, and noticing the type of streak/winrate that's required to rank up)

i would bet a lot of money that the general trend across all accounts is lowering rank over time, even if you include all the 100% winrate hackers with 100ms damage time

"2 out of 3" (win+100, loss-50) still achieves what they want without the silly harshness. wonder why they don't go for that..

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by Razgriz:

I ha 14978, I won a match and it only gave me 21 points, F u Gaben

every 5000 points (on 5000, 10000, 15000 points, etc) there's a "barrier" that prevents you from getting higher than that too fast and getting lower than that too fast, if you have 15001 points you'll only lose 1 point for losing, it's fair both ways