Why (I think) valve will never implement a kernel-level anti-cheat

[SH1OOOY ♤]

I just saw a pimp video where he's pretty much begging valve to get a handle on the cheating situation and I want to say what I think the reason is for them not wanting to make a kernel-level anti-cheat as if faceit can make one, why can't valve?

Preface:
- Some games(valorant faceit) have a intrusive anti-cheat solution which runs as you startup your computer and has kernel-level access to your computer and can pretty much do whatever it wants to, which is quite dangerous for the user, but also ensures that they can't easily load some software to cheat in those games.
- This has been implemented on windows however not done on linux yet, partly because the general linux community does not accept this as a viable solution due to the level of access you are giving a program to your computer which contrasts starkly with the goal of linux to be free.
Main:
- Valve is quite invested into linux(steam deck and Proton being a big one ) so they don't want to break the game for those people for example if they are using steam deck.

-Also CS:GO has always supported linux natively breaking linux support for CS2 would be an actual regression which wouldn't be a great look.
-One might say that they could just support a specific LTS kernel, such as the one that they ship with SteamOS which is a wrapper ontop of arch linux, and maybe this is possible as valve certainly has the resources available to make a fork of kernel however this would take some time to implement. But the modifications made to this would certainly not be accepted by anyone else so
- Also there's the whole thing with the fact that it will really annoy the whole linux community which may be steam deck users and I don't think valve wants to really annoy those people.

TLDR: Valve won't make a kernel level anti-cheat as that is not an acceptable Linux which they really do care about

[Andy]

they should never do it tho its not good to have a software with that much acess to my system i trust valve but i would not want this getting common and giving acess to my system to any game developer that develops a anti cheat no thanks.

[MAXE]

Well okay, if they dont want to do that, then atleast secure the free account creation with personal id demands, so that YOU in person are banned and not just your pc hardware or account !

Personal id would stop the cheaters 100% ..

end of the anticheat discussion because that would be 100% a full blown GAME OVER & a game changer for the better, if that was forced down on the Steam users, it would allso help secure their accounts even more, because the accounts would become just as personal as your own bank account then !

Though Valve would need to be less strict on banning people from the forums & games and stuff like that then!

Special when people ague & discuss about something here on steam or in the games !

We are just humans after all and the waves can go high sometimes

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by Junior:

they should never do it tho its not good to have a software with that much acess to my system i trust valve but i would not want this getting common and giving acess to my system to any game developer that develops a anti cheat no thanks.

i agree

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Well okay, if they dont want to do that, then atleast secure the free account creation with personal id demands, so that YOU in person are banned and not just your pc hardware or account !

Personal id would stop the cheaters 100% ..

nice idea

[Pizzashot]

They should just force every gamer to share their screen while gaming, that would give them 0% chance of hiding that they see on screen.

[Sigma]

Kernel level anticheat would be nice, but ultimately it would be bypassed in a few days anyway.
There are proof of concept cheats, that let you hijack the bios/efi to cheat.

[Sigma]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

They should just force every gamer to share their screen while gaming, that would give them 0% chance of hiding that they see on screen.

obs/discord/screenshare proof cheats have been a thing for years

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

They should just force every gamer to share their screen while gaming, that would give them 0% chance of hiding that they see on screen.

lol

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by Weaboo:

Kernel level anticheat would be nice, but ultimately it would be bypassed in a few days anyway.
There are proof of concept cheats, that let you hijack the bios/efi to cheat.

its hard to do

[Vaulty]

Just putting VAC on Kernel level won't do much

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

They should just force every gamer to share their screen while gaming, that would give them 0% chance of hiding that they see on screen.

There are cheats that already do that so you can cheat while streaming on twitch or whatever

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by Vault Hunter 101:

Just putting VAC on Kernel level won't do much

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

They should just force every gamer to share their screen while gaming, that would give them 0% chance of hiding that they see on screen.

There are cheats that already do that so you can cheat while streaming on twitch or whatever

exactly

[MAXE]

Originally posted by 𝙏𝙎 SH1OOOY ♤:

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Well okay, if they dont want to do that, then atleast secure the free account creation with personal id demands, so that YOU in person are banned and not just your pc hardware or account !

Personal id would stop the cheaters 100% ..

nice idea

Well alot of the players dont like that idea and if the majority is against it, then it will never happen !

[SH1OOOY ♤]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Originally posted by 𝙏𝙎 SH1OOOY ♤:

nice idea

Well alot of the players dont like that idea and if the majority is against it, then it will never happen !

yea

[Vaulty]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Well okay, if they dont want to do that, then atleast secure the free account creation with personal id demands, so that YOU in person are banned and not just your pc hardware or account !

Personal id would stop the cheaters 100% ..

end of the anticheat discussion because that would be 100% a full blown GAME OVER & a game changer for the better, if that was forced down on the Steam users, it would allso help secure their accounts even more, because the accounts would become just as personal as your own bank account then !

Though Valve would need to be less strict on banning people from the forums & games and stuff like that then!

Special when people ague & discuss about something here on steam or in the games !

We are just humans after all and the waves can go high sometimes :steamlaughcry:

What kind of ID verification?

Automatic like on Roblox? Cool I'll just send ID of Heavy from TF2
Manual verification? On Crypto sites it takes up to a week and they have 1/100th of CS2 users.

Also maybe you don't care about your privacy but I wouldn't drop my ID to some random people on the internet :)

[Sigma]

Originally posted by Vault Hunter 101:

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Well okay, if they dont want to do that, then atleast secure the free account creation with personal id demands, so that YOU in person are banned and not just your pc hardware or account !

Personal id would stop the cheaters 100% ..

end of the anticheat discussion because that would be 100% a full blown GAME OVER & a game changer for the better, if that was forced down on the Steam users, it would allso help secure their accounts even more, because the accounts would become just as personal as your own bank account then !

Though Valve would need to be less strict on banning people from the forums & games and stuff like that then!

Special when people ague & discuss about something here on steam or in the games !

We are just humans after all and the waves can go high sometimes :steamlaughcry:

What kind of ID verification?

Automatic like on Roblox? Cool I'll just send ID of Heavy from TF2
Manual verification? On Crypto sites it takes up to a week and they have 1/100th of CS2 users.

Also maybe you don't care about your privacy but I wouldn't drop my ID to some random people on the internet :)

Well, I already have my real address and phone linked to steam, might as well give them my id.