My POV about "cheaters"

[mam1aS]

Hello guys, its been some time i am coming across posts like "cheaters cheaters etc" and i would like to say some things from my point of view. First of all, most of the time these people doesn't even know how to properly play the game. They have less than 100 hours and accusing everyone for cheating. I dont know if its just me, but i didn't find a single cheater in my last 40games+. Some people are just way better than me and some way worse. Stop accusing everyone for cheating and try to get better. If you think someone is cheating just download the demo and keep it for your self. Dont spam in the discussions. Anyway, because of all these posts, i wanted to try something just to make sure i am 100% right. I played casual, deathmatch and even competitive on non-prime lobbies. You know what i found? Nothing! Accept the fact that some people are better than others and move on. Thats all i wanted to say. Have a nice day and take care.

[Hamsterpeek]

Origineel geplaatst door M-A-X-E ™:

Origineel geplaatst door Marbach:

New player have to play have to paly against cheater/griefs/smurfs alot. That's why new player with 100 hours say they find alot of cheaters. Premier as a new player is even worse.

Prime and none prime players should be seperated, so if you got a non-prime player on your team, you will be forced to play on non-prime servers!

Prime players should only play on prime servers no matter what for as long their account is prime status ! ..

If someone is caught cheating in the game, the account should never be allowed to play on prime servers again !

Prime servers should be pure 128 tick servers ..

Non-prime servers should be 64 sub tick servers ..

When it comes to the anticheat system, then I personal think that a scanner should be build into the game, wich is attached through a secured tunnel 2048 bit encrypted to the server, when playing, this scanner should be able to scan your entire system both software, hardware protocols, wireless connections, other hardware and your running process for cheats !

Prime and non prime player are separated. The only way to play non-prime is to either not have a prime account yourself or queue with at least one non prime player.

Origineel geplaatst door 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡foxize:

Cheaters exist, but they are mainly in a lower trust factor. You can watch old dima streams, he is playing at high elo regularly and he gets maybe 3 cheaters per day out of 10 games. That's at the very highest level, the problem is not that bad. When there's an obvious cheater not getting banned, it inflates your bias and that cheater seems like 100 cheaters.

He is not wrong, because it's his own POV. I can say from my own POV I haven't met cheaters in the past few weeks of playing.

You literally get low trust factor for beeing good in one match and get reported once. That moment you know you will play against obvious cheater afterwards. We tested it with 3 accounts after we noticed it. We played a hand full of matches with good experience, then we meet cheater.

Also you have at least two bans for cheating based on your profile so I don't even know why I took my time to answer you since you neither have high trust nor are a trustworthy person. Also your highest rank was only DMG in CSGO with 0.86 kd and you now play in low/mid ranks while also having negative KD. So stats clearly prove that you're not good enough to be called a cheater in CS nor that anyone would report you for cheating.

Origineel geplaatst door 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡foxize:

Origineel geplaatst door Hamsterpeek:

This is wrong.

And the stats prove it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1dewupq/the_flashbang_stats_for_may_is_out/

There are only 300-400 players in 25k+, and so the data is skewed towards low trust factor rage hacking lobbies that are played much faster and more regularly than normal lobbies. Doesn't really represent the typical player experience, does it?

This data proves 18k rating is the starting point where it gets obvious. There are tenthousands of player at that rating.

But as I said you can't be taken serious. You were already blocked for a good reason. You're not in the forum for a honest, delightful mature discussion. Your goal is to ruin discussions by spreading deliberately false information. So I'll not unlock your posts anymore.

[xaxa]

Origineel geplaatst door Hamsterpeek:

Origineel geplaatst door 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡foxize:

Cheaters exist, but they are mainly in a lower trust factor. You can watch old dima streams, he is playing at high elo regularly and he gets maybe 3 cheaters per day out of 10 games. That's at the very highest level, the problem is not that bad. When there's an obvious cheater not getting banned, it inflates your bias and that cheater seems like 100 cheaters.

He is not wrong, because it's his own POV. I can say from my own POV I haven't met cheaters in the past few weeks of playing.

You literally get low trust factor for beeing good in one match and get reported once. That moment you know you will play against obvious cheater afterwards. We tested it with 3 accounts after we noticed it. We played a hand full of matches with good experience, then we meet cheater.

Also you have at least two bans for cheating based on your profile so I don't even know why I took my time to answer you since you neither have high trust nor are a trustworthy person. Also your highest rank was only DMG in CSGO with 0.86 kd and you now play in low/mid ranks while also having negative KD. So stats clearly prove that you're not good enough to be called a cheater in CS nor that anyone would report you for cheating.

Origineel geplaatst door 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡foxize:

There are only 300-400 players in 25k+, and so the data is skewed towards low trust factor rage hacking lobbies that are played much faster and more regularly than normal lobbies. Doesn't really represent the typical player experience, does it?

This data proves 18k rating is the starting point where it gets obvious. There are tenthousands of player at that rating.

But as I said you can't be taken serious. You were already blocked for a good reason. You're not in the forum for a honest, delightful mature discussion. Your goal is to ruin discussions by spreading deliberately false information. So I'll not unlock your posts anymore.

Yes, you will get low trust at some points, but the majority of games you have will be in good trust. So I don't get why you are being so alarmist about this, you don't seem to get very many yourself nor end up in low trust factor enough to warrant this response.

I mean, if you want to resort to ad hominems sure :[ I play at low/mid ranks but you yourself play 3k lower than me at 11k elo (hardly near 18k now, is it?), and you were MGE despite stacking 200+ games with other people? Cheaters aren't the reason you can't rank up now bro.

[peon]

500 total hours

favorite group is

RICH PEOPLE ONLY - Public Group
ONLY RICH PEOPLE MAY ENTER THIS GROUP

You seem like a real pleasant person. Why is it rich people think they are entitled to cheat anyway.

[GYMTIMIDATOR ⁧⁧ nigcel floyd]

Origineel geplaatst door Hamsterpeek:

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

And no one whining on this forum is 18k. They are always 4k-6k ELO silvers thinkiing that people better than them are "blatant hackers" and that the game has a "hacker infestation"

This is wrong.

And the stats prove it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1dewupq/the_flashbang_stats_for_may_is_out/

false. just because you saw it on reddit doesn't make it true. vacnet works. trust factor works. end of discussion.

[elite outsider]

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

Origineel geplaatst door Hamsterpeek:

This is wrong.

And the stats prove it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1dewupq/the_flashbang_stats_for_may_is_out/

false. just because you saw it on reddit doesn't make it true. vacnet works. trust factor works. end of discussion.

it links to the same stats you dodged me on yesterday

nothing intimidating about that

[GYMTIMIDATOR ⁧⁧ nigcel floyd]

Origineel geplaatst door elite outsider:

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

false. just because you saw it on reddit doesn't make it true. vacnet works. trust factor works. end of discussion.

it links to the same stats you dodged me on yesterday

nothing intimidating about that

no one "dodged you" bro, your stats have no filter for trust factor so they're meaningless. you're mixing two segregated groups of data and misrepresenting them as one comprehensive experience.

vacnet works, trust factor works. legit players do not play against cheaters anymore.

[Ducond]

Well, I'm back after over 7-8 years not playing, old LEM at my peak, trying out premier (not my main account so don't just check hours).

My 10-11 first games where kind of OK, nothing blatant, I'm still awaiting my rank, need one more win, and I'm around 15-16k points looking at my previous games mates and ennemies, don't know how this compare to the old ranking, but since the last 2 games at least 2 cheaters, and obvious one, not the "maybe" or "I'm salty", hear me out.

One was in the ennemy team and they kicked him in the first 5 rounds noticing he was cheating (kind of them if you ask me, I thanks them).

Then next game, I see ennemy calling a cheater in our team (happens a lot even myself got called one recently you can check my profile if you want ahah...).
But looking at him was indeed very suspect, always going straight to ennemies, knife in hand when no danger, always spot on preshots without infos, tried to kick, but he seemed to have a friend (I play solo).

So none of those cheater cost me a game, but I have to admit that finding 2 cheaters in my first 10-12 games... Man, you can't say there isn't any cheaters.

Maybe I got over 15-16k and cheaters start to appear more often around that rank, or starting at 5k points is low elo and I got reported a lot as a cheater myself and I was put in a "probably cheater" queue to check, I don't know.

[cats187]

My pov as a cheater, Im waiting for the vac system is fixed. Once Im banned I know theyll fix the issue, so technically Im doing good for the game. Im also playing the game just like you are

[GYMTIMIDATOR ⁧⁧ nigcel floyd]

Origineel geplaatst door Ducond:

Well, I'm back after over 7-8 years not playing, old LEM at my peak, trying out premier (not my main account so don't just check hours).

My 10-11 first games where kind of OK, nothing blatant, I'm still awaiting my rank, need one more win, and I'm around 15-16k points looking at my previous games mates and ennemies, don't know how this compare to the old ranking, but since the last 2 games at least 2 cheaters, and obvious one, not the "maybe" or "I'm salty", hear me out.


Maybe I got over 15-16k and cheaters start to appear more often around that rank, or starting at 5k points is low elo and I got reported a lot as a cheater myself and I was put in a "probably cheater" queue to check, I don't know.

i just watched the demos of your past 2 games, no one was cheating. one player was pretty good in the latest one, but just common prefires and things you might not know from csgo (ex: scoping makes an audible sound now). the other demo i couldn't even figure out who you might have been accusing, all 5 players were pretty mediocre.

vacnet is really good in cs2 and trust factor creates 2 seperate matchmaking pools, suspected cheaters and legit users. you having a couple good games wouldn't put you in red trust factor.

[elite outsider]

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

no one "dodged you" bro, your stats have no filter for trust factor so they're meaningless. you're mixing two segregated groups of data and misrepresenting them as one comprehensive experience.

okay but the stats show 40% of players above 25k have <200ms damage time

for 20-25k it's 4%, so it's a 10x increase when you get into the 25k range

so are 40% of players in high ELO also low trust factor?
do you think that's a valid state for the game to be in?

the in game leaderboard might be mostly showing low trust factor people who blatantly cheat..?

the reason there's no filter for trust factor is you can't know anybody's trust factor - it's a system designed to always provide excuses and cover in situations like this. i could just as easily say to valve "you can't show me anyone's trust factor including my own, so maybe trust factor doesn't exist" and they would say say something like "trust me bro ai bro this time it'll be different bro buy cases bro"

[Ducond]

Origineel geplaatst door Gamerkitten💕 E-Girl:

My pov as a cheater, Im waiting for the vac system is fixed. Once Im banned I know theyll fix the issue, so technically Im doing good for the game. Im also playing the game just like you are

Nah you're just trash human being, there is no valid excuse to cheat, you are a part of the problem.
Once you have started to find an excuse to start cheating, you'll try to find new excuses to keep doing it, like drug addicts or abusive partners. You cheated because you are bad or wanted to cheat, not other reasons.

[UNKNOWN]

Origineel geplaatst door Ducond:

Origineel geplaatst door Gamerkitten💕 E-Girl:

My pov as a cheater, Im waiting for the vac system is fixed. Once Im banned I know theyll fix the issue, so technically Im doing good for the game. Im also playing the game just like you are

Nah you're just trash human being, there is no valid excuse to cheat, you are a part of the problem.
Once you have started to find an excuse to start cheating, you'll try to find new excuses to keep doing it, like drug addicts or abusive partners. You cheated because you are bad or wanted to cheat, not other reasons.

Too far dude

[Tica]

Origineel geplaatst door Ducond:

Origineel geplaatst door Gamerkitten💕 E-Girl:

My pov as a cheater, Im waiting for the vac system is fixed. Once Im banned I know theyll fix the issue, so technically Im doing good for the game. Im also playing the game just like you are

Nah you're just trash human being, there is no valid excuse to cheat, you are a part of the problem.
Once you have started to find an excuse to start cheating, you'll try to find new excuses to keep doing it, like drug addicts or abusive partners. You cheated because you are bad or wanted to cheat, not other reasons.

[GYMTIMIDATOR ⁧⁧ nigcel floyd]

Origineel geplaatst door elite outsider:

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

no one "dodged you" bro, your stats have no filter for trust factor so they're meaningless. you're mixing two segregated groups of data and misrepresenting them as one comprehensive experience.

okay but the stats show 40% of players above 25k have <200ms damage time

for 20-25k it's 4%, so it's a 10x increase when you get into the 25k range

so are 40% of players in high ELO also low trust factor?
do you think that's a valid state for the game to be in?

the in game leaderboard might be mostly showing low trust factor people who blatantly cheat..?

the reason there's no filter for trust factor is you can't know anybody's trust factor - it's a system designed to always provide excuses and cover in situations like this. i could just as easily say to valve "you can't show me anyone's trust factor including my own, so maybe trust factor doesn't exist" and they would say say something like "trust me bro ai bro this time it'll be different bro buy cases bro"

all of the people cheating will probably end up in high elo yes. i'm sure there is a large pool of red trust users at the top, where else would you expect them to be?

also vacnet will ban those players within 2 weeks, they just delay it and make them play against other cheaters so it's harder for cheat devs. notice how the top leaderboards change constantly or have gaps? cheaters get banned, and you don't face them unless you're one yourself.

[elite outsider]

Origineel geplaatst door GYMTIMIDATOR (100% White):

Origineel geplaatst door elite outsider:

okay but the stats show 40% of players above 25k have <200ms damage time

for 20-25k it's 4%, so it's a 10x increase when you get into the 25k range

so are 40% of players in high ELO also low trust factor?
do you think that's a valid state for the game to be in?

the in game leaderboard might be mostly showing low trust factor people who blatantly cheat..?

the reason there's no filter for trust factor is you can't know anybody's trust factor - it's a system designed to always provide excuses and cover in situations like this. i could just as easily say to valve "you can't show me anyone's trust factor including my own, so maybe trust factor doesn't exist" and they would say say something like "trust me bro ai bro this time it'll be different bro buy cases bro"

all of the people cheating will probably end up in high elo yes. i'm sure there is a large pool of red trust users at the top, where else would you expect them to be?

also vacnet will ban those players within 2 weeks, they just delay it and make them play against other cheaters so it's harder for cheat devs. notice how the top leaderboards change constantly or have gaps? cheaters get banned, and you don't face them unless you're one yourself.

i don't disagree with any of that, but you're here spamming on multiple threads for days saying "there are no cheaters" then you're walking it back saying okay there are cheaters but they're over here etc

how do you think they get to high ELO? they have to play games at lower ELO / other trust factors and ruin peoples' experience along the way

and they do it over and over...

i get that most of the accusations on here are BS - people literally post clips of themselves aiming beside someone's head and go "SEE WTF HES CHEATING" as if that's convincing .. but i don't get your point here. are there cheaters or not? people do see cheaters sometimes, it doesn't always mean it's their fault