cs2 is doing something on kernel-level, WHY?

[Sethioz]

quite sure CS2 devs have installed some spyware or malware on kernel level.
again i had BSOD and this time with win32kfull.sys, which is kernel level driver.
why is cs2 tampering with it?

for past 3+ years i haven't had a single BSOD outside cs2. i've only been back in cs2 for 5-6 months and all it does is randomly crashes, sometimes with BSOD.
ONLY while playing cs2!

been playing many other games, such as:
cyberpunk 2077. i play 4-10 hours a day, NO CRASH.
far cry 6, 4-10 hours a day, NO CRASH!
planetside 2, 4-10 hours a day, NO CRASH
forza horizon 5 .. same .. NO CRASH!
snowrunner and expeditions ... played both of them like crazy for a month, NO CRASHES!

cs2 ... random game crashes and BSOD on regular basis. WHAT IS VALVE DOING?
why are they messing about on kernel level for?

anyone who doesn't know what kernel is:
think of kernel level as admin rights, kernel has the highest level of access.
kernel-mode is meant for drivers only. software running in kernel mode has direct access to hardware, which was done to boost performance and reduce any kind of lag between hardware and software, but DOWNSIDE is that if any kernel level program crashes or has other issues, then it causes entire PC to CRASH, usually with BSOD. (that's the shortest possible story, there's a lot more to it, but that's the basics).

kernel level doesn't give anything else, it's for drivers only, but why is cs2 messing with kernel?

i'm afraid to debug cs2 as most likely it will result in VAC ban even if you're not in VAC secured server, i might get alt account and try, cuz this is getting on my nerves. i want to find out what cs2 is doing on background in kernel mode, this is outrageous!

they don't deal with cheaters, but they keep adding some kernel-level SPYWARE!
if anyone has debugged cs2, i'd like to know what they're doing.
if this continues, then i guess bye bye cs2 for good.

i stopped playing in 2016 due VAC error along the lines of "vac is not able to work properly on your pc".

cs2 is such rubbish .. i don't know why i even bother ... should get back into insurgency sandstorm or tarkov.
all you get in cs2 are aggressive players from certain country, cheaters and BSOD crashes!

billion dollar company ... and this is the quality we get ...

[Sm0ke]

I already figured that, maybe is to track you in real time

[CaptainSonic]

It's more likely to do with the graphics. Remember, all of your devices have drivers that run kernel-level and they can cause problems too.

[Frida]

Its not valve... it hackers injecting software while you play.

[Sm0ke]

Originally posted by Typical Muslim:

Its not valve... it hackers injecting software while you play.

I already heard a cheater talk about this(i don't buyed it) but can he BSOD your computer? also anywhere to back up this claim you did?

[rage]

Isolated incident isn't confirmation.

[CaptainSonic]

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

Originally posted by Typical Muslim:

Its not valve... it hackers injecting software while you play.

I already heard a cheater talk about this(i don't buyed it) but can he BSOD your computer? also anywhere to back up this claim you did?

When you download software that is malicious, the developer absolutely can do this

[Sm0ke]

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

I already heard a cheater talk about this(i don't buyed it) but can he BSOD your computer? also anywhere to back up this claim you did?

When you download software that is malicious, the developer absolutely can do this

What are you talking about? i said that the cheater said he could Knock off other people playing

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

I already figured that, maybe is to track you in real time

how does kernel level help you track user in real time?
ONLY reason why valorant and faceit use kernel anti-cheat, is so that they can ban based on hardware ID and it's near impossible to fake it. it depends on hardware tho.
for example if you wanna change graphic card's HWID, you can flash a modified firmware on it, which is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. you can literally brick your card if you do it wrong.
not many are willing to go into lengths of changing HWIDs, that's why HWID bans are quite effective when running kernel-level anti-cheat.
if you do it on user-level, then there are plenty of tools that can easily fake HWID.

however steam and cs2 don't do hardware bans.

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

It's more likely to do with the graphics. Remember, all of your devices have drivers that run kernel-level and they can cause problems too.

win32kfull.sys isn't graphics driver ... it's part of windows, has been for a long time.
please stop talking nonsense if you don't understand how computers work.
if cs2 has error, then GAME will crash.
that's the DIFFERENCE between kernel and user mode programs!
user-mode program is unable to tamper or crash a kernel driver, that's the whole idea!

user-mode is designed for programs, so that if program has error or crash, then only THAT program crashes. it won't cause system-wide crash.

if kernel-mode program crashes, then it WILL crash your entire system, usually with BSOD.
if graphics driver crashes on kernel level, then it would be doing it on regular basis, but it ONLY happens while playing cs2.

i specifically said it does NOT happen in other games. it's just cs2, which is why i'm saying they're messing with kernel-level stuff.

i don't have any pc issues, i've been building and repairing computers since i was like 5.
i had my old win xp laptop running for 2-3 years without reboot, never crashed.
another win 7 pc was also running for about a year without crashes.

i also have media laptop with win 10 on it, i haven't turned it off for 2-3 years. i put it in hibernate or sleep only.

my main pc with win 10 also usually runs for about a month without reboot, but since i do stuff on it every day, sometimes it starts to get laggy and i have to reboot, but otherwise no crashes or issues .. but while playing cs2 ... BSODs and crashes all the time.

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

Originally posted by Typical Muslim:

Its not valve... it hackers injecting software while you play.

I already heard a cheater talk about this(i don't buyed it) but can he BSOD your computer? also anywhere to back up this claim you did?

i've done this in some games, but you can't crash a PC. i did that in older games like AvP2 and TDU2. i found a way to force a broken model, which was visible to everyone in server, so anyone who came within visual proximity, crashed.
but only their game crashed, not pc.

in order to crash a PC with BSOD, you have to crash a kernel level program / driver, which is not easy. most user-mode programs can't access kernel level.

this is definetly not hackers. if they infect your pc, then sure, but randomly via game? nope .. not happening.

[CaptainSonic]

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

When you download software that is malicious, the developer absolutely can do this

What are you talking about?

Which word do you not understand? Software is software and the developer can do whatever he wants

[Sm0ke]

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

What are you talking about?

Which word do you not understand? Software is software and the developer can do whatever he wants

Bruh.... is not the CHEATER getting BSODed is the OTHER ENEMY PLAYERS

[rage]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

I already figured that, maybe is to track you in real time

how does kernel level help you track user in real time?
ONLY reason why valorant and faceit use kernel anti-cheat, is so that they can ban based on hardware ID and it's near impossible to fake it. it depends on hardware tho.
for example if you wanna change graphic card's HWID, you can flash a modified firmware on it, which is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. you can literally brick your card if you do it wrong.
not many are willing to go into lengths of changing HWIDs, that's why HWID bans are quite effective when running kernel-level anti-cheat.
if you do it on user-level, then there are plenty of tools that can easily fake HWID.

however steam and cs2 don't do hardware bans.

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

It's more likely to do with the graphics. Remember, all of your devices have drivers that run kernel-level and they can cause problems too.

win32kfull.sys isn't graphics driver ... it's part of windows, has been for a long time.
please stop talking nonsense if you don't understand how computers work.
if cs2 has error, then GAME will crash.
that's the DIFFERENCE between kernel and user mode programs!
user-mode program is unable to tamper or crash a kernel driver, that's the whole idea!

user-mode is designed for programs, so that if program has error or crash, then only THAT program crashes. it won't cause system-wide crash.

if kernel-mode program crashes, then it WILL crash your entire system, usually with BSOD.
if graphics driver crashes on kernel level, then it would be doing it on regular basis, but it ONLY happens while playing cs2.

i specifically said it does NOT happen in other games. it's just cs2, which is why i'm saying they're messing with kernel-level stuff.

i don't have any pc issues, i've been building and repairing computers since i was like 5.
i had my old win xp laptop running for 2-3 years without reboot, never crashed.
another win 7 pc was also running for about a year without crashes.

i also have media laptop with win 10 on it, i haven't turned it off for 2-3 years. i put it in hibernate or sleep only.

my main pc with win 10 also usually runs for about a month without reboot, but since i do stuff on it every day, sometimes it starts to get laggy and i have to reboot, but otherwise no crashes or issues .. but while playing cs2 ... BSODs and crashes all the time.

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

I already heard a cheater talk about this(i don't buyed it) but can he BSOD your computer? also anywhere to back up this claim you did?

i've done this in some games, but you can't crash a PC. i did that in older games like AvP2 and TDU2. i found a way to force a broken model, which was visible to everyone in server, so anyone who came within visual proximity, crashed.
but only their game crashed, not pc.

in order to crash a PC with BSOD, you have to crash a kernel level program / driver, which is not easy. most user-mode programs can't access kernel level.

this is definetly not hackers. if they infect your pc, then sure, but randomly via game? nope .. not happening.

Comparing games to each other is meaningless

[rage]

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

Originally posted by CaptainSonic:

Which word do you not understand? Software is software and the developer can do whatever he wants

Bruh.... is not the CHEATER getting BSODed is the OTHER ENEMY PLAYERS

So why haven't we seen more coverage of this? Oh wait.

[CaptainSonic]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

win32kfull.sys isn't graphics driver ... it's part of windows, has been for a long time.
please stop talking nonsense if you don't understand how computers work.

All it indicates is an issue in the kernel. We don't know that it wasn't modified, injected to, or invoked in a way that causes a crash. It isn't always as simple as "the listed driver directly caused the crash". sToP tAlKiNg nOnSeNsE

Originally posted by Sethioz:

i specifically said it does NOT happen in other games. it's just cs2, which is why i'm saying they're messing with kernel-level stuff.

This is a direct contradiction to what you just said

[Sm0ke]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

I already figured that, maybe is to track you in real time

how does kernel level help you track user in real time?
ONLY reason why valorant and faceit use kernel anti-cheat, is so that they can ban based on hardware ID and it's near impossible to fake it. it depends on hardware tho.
for example if you wanna change graphic card's HWID, you can flash a modified firmware on it, which is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. you can literally brick your card if you do it wrong.
not many are willing to go into lengths of changing HWIDs, that's why HWID bans are quite effective when running kernel-level anti-cheat.
if you do it on user-level, then there are plenty of tools that can easily fake HWID.

however steam and cs2 don't do hardware bans.

i don't know bud a lot of things ain't making sense in this game.....

[Sm0ke]

Originally posted by rage:

Originally posted by Sm0ke:

Bruh.... is not the CHEATER getting BSODed is the OTHER ENEMY PLAYERS

So why haven't we seen more coverage of this? Oh wait.

i already said i don't buy the claim can't you read?