Rank should be based more on Individual Skills

[keravan cappuccino]

... than it currently is. Sure, CS:GO is a team game and therefore your score should always matter the most, if your team wins the match. However, currently it does not matter how well we play, you are stuck at the rank you are if you're not good enough to carry the whole team every round and get like 10 aces throughout the game (a bit exagerrating, I know, but you get the point). Is that the level we really require to advance to the next skill level a.k.a rank? I doubt so.

I've competed against double AK's as a Gold Nova 1 and I do by far better than they do, but it does not matter if our team does not win. Then I'm not qualified to advance to Gold Nova 2, because I'm simply too bad for that rank. It does not matter I just beat up double AK's for a whole game. That does not define my skill, right? And the game obviously doesn't register your teamwork skills, so we're sort of left out frustrated. Nothing can be done to compete against players of your own skill level with players of your own skill level.

All in all I wonder, why do we have a ranking system that should define a players skill level in matchmaking, if it is mostly not based on your individual skill level? How is the matchmaking supposed to find evenly matched teams, if the players vary so widely from each other despite of being same rank. And besides, most of the time you're not even competing against similar ranks... so just leaves me to wonder, what's the point of the ranking system? Personally I'm not even feeling challenged anymore at Gold Nova 1, but hey, I'm still stuck here.

And last but not least... I'm looking for players for a premade team if anybody is interested...

[Svaigis]

Well if nova 2 beats ak2 then it's obvious that ak2 was boosted :D if you are good you will rank up....if you cant rank up thats your skill I cant rank up from 2ak for 1000 hours still

[iza]

Well that's why i'm at Global Elite OP. :P

[Dream]

I think some people don't realize that if you don't improve your rank will never go up.

[keravan cappuccino]

That's the thing. The system does NOT care about your individual skill, if your team cannot win. It does not matter if you get 100 kills, your rank will not go up unless your team wins :D

So, no it's not about just being good enough, you also need your team to win

And that, in my opinion is a flaw with the ranking system

[keravan cappuccino]

引用自 Asop：

The only factor in determining your rank is individual skill.

I've just argued my whole post about this and I don't understand how it could be the only determining factor? :D

I mean, if you get 2 times more kills each game on your rank than any other player on the game, but your team loses, your rank won't advance. How is that only about individual skill?

[Falcon]

引用自 NinthFall：

That's the thing. The system does NOT care about your individual skill, if your team cannot win. It does not matter if you get 100 kills, your rank will not go up unless your team wins :D

So, no it's not about just being good enough, you also need your team to win

And that, in my opinion is a flaw with the ranking system

Nonsense... Miscomprehension.

[keravan cappuccino]

Just explain to me, how the only determining factor currently is your individual skill? It's impossible to proove your argument correct, since you cannot advance a rank if your team loses. It doesn't matter how good your individual skill is, your rank will stay the same until your team starts winning.

[HUNCHO]

I agree with OP. I once begged to play w. some friends that were gold nova master +, finally they agreed, and I 30 bombed, got 3 AWP aces, carried my team, had a higher score than every other person.... but we lost 16 to 12. I did not rank up. Frankly I probably got "XP points" or whatever you want to call them taken off... because we did not win. I have this same problem playing with ppl my rank, in almost every game I 40 bomb... but we still lose because of the terrible team. Sure I win a maybe 5 to every 4 I lose.... but I still don't rank, as your team needs to win bassically 4 times in a row to rank up.

[keravan cappuccino]

引用自 Asop：

引用自 NinthFall：

I've just argued my whole post about this and I don't understand how it could be the only determining factor? :D

I mean, if you get 2 times more kills each game on your rank than any other player on the game, but your team loses, your rank won't advance. How is that only about individual skill?

You are acting as if your rank is determined only by whether or not you win a single match, which is not the case. You can't win one match and rank up nor lose one match and rank down; your skillgroup is determined by your performance throughout many matches played with many different people.

Every single person in the game has games where they do better than everyone and still lose, you are not the only person that this happens to as you are implying. If this happens to other people to, the affect on your rank is nullified because everyone else's rank is affected in the exact same way.

Everyone in matchmaking is affected by the exact same factors when determining their skillgroup except their individual skill.

Skill is the ONLY determining factor of your rank.

Yeah, well the thing is this is not only based on one game. I win about 2 out of 3 games I play. The thing still is, your team is required to win in order for you to rank up. And of course, this has to happen more than once. However, if you play well a billion games, but lose most of them due to terrible teams, you won't rank up no matter how well you play. Therefore it ain't about individual skill! It is about whether your team will win or not in the long run.

[keravan cappuccino]

引用自 Dude_3：

I agree with OP. I once begged to play w. some friends that were gold nova master +, finally they agreed, and I 30 bombed, got 3 AWP aces, carried my team, had a higher score than every other person.... but we lost 16 to 12. I did not rank up. Frankly I probably got "XP points" or whatever you want to call them taken off... because we did not win. I have this same problem playing with ppl my rank, in almost every game I 40 bomb... but we still lose because of the terrible team. Sure I win a maybe 5 to every 4 I lose.... but I still don't rank, as your team needs to win bassically 4 times in a row to rank up.

Exactly what this guy says. Exactly this.

[000]

Nice

[keravan cappuccino]

Asop, you are drifting away from the main point of this thread now. I'm not competing with other players who gets their rank up fastest. Or if someone else has the worst chance to get a bad team. Of course we all, who play with random teams have the same chance! But that has got nothing to do with my post!

Given enough games, the only determining factor is whether your team has or has not won enough games. NOT your individual skill. I don't understand how hard it is for you to understand that it does not matter if you're the best player on earth in CS:GO, but if your teams always fail to lose, you will not rank up. And what the main point of my post is, that your rank should advance even if your team loses, if you played well enough for the past games.

[Dream]

If your individual skill is not strong enough to win games then you belong in that skill group.

[West]

引用自 NinthFall：

Asop, you are drifting away from the main point of this thread now. I'm not competing with other players who gets their rank up fastest. Or if someone else has the worst chance to get a bad team. Of course we all, who play with random teams have the same chance! But that has got nothing to do with my post!

Given enough games, the only determining factor is whether your team has or has not won enough games. NOT your individual skill. I don't understand how hard it is for you to understand that it does not matter if you're the best player on earth in CS:GO, but if your teams always fail to lose, you will not rank up. And what the main point of my post is, that your rank should advance even if your team loses, if you played well enough for the past games.

The thing is... you're acting like your own personal performance doesn't have any impact on whether the team wins/loses... it does. It has a direct impact on whether your team wins/loses.

I started off a few months ago on this game and got put into Silver II. Fair enough - i did most of my learning in comp. As i started to get better, i started to be able to effect the games i played more and more, so that i have now managed to get to GN2. By this, i mean that my 25-30-35 kills I was getting where pushing my team over the finishing line and was able to win more than i was losing at that skill bracket.

I didn't have to go on massive streaks to rank up... just win more than I lost on average. I also tried to get as many stars as possible along the way, along with a reasonable KDA (although everyone has games where they aren't on it at all and struggle to get into double figure kills). I even ranked up on a drawn match once (From SEM or GN1) - because that's how ELO works. Not just wins and loses, but also personal skill (amount of stars, KDA ratio and how much your opponents are compared to your team).

I don't comment on these forums really, just read them, but I had to say something on this because i've experienced this.

Basically - if you're playing as well as you say you are - you will rank up. Maybe try not to go off alone in games when you have a weak team, but try and supplement them. Don't rush B on DustII if the others have gone A. Go support the weaker players. You'll turn some losses into wins by doing this.

GL

[Ⓙ]

引用自 Asop：

Everyone has the exact same chance of getting bad teammates or good teammates, and it is completely impossible that only a select number of people are unlucky enough to get more bad teammates than everyone else.

Chance is random, so someone could get bad teammates and lose everymatch or get good teammates and get carried and win every match. It probaly dosen't happen to many people but it is possible.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=chance