Why people keep relating Red Trust Factor to cheating?

[sard3379]

Really, remember the times you kept vote kicking players for fun? Using the your mic and the chat box only for grieving purposes? Team damaging other players? AFK'ing half of the match? Playing with another cheater in the same lobby as a friend and spamming ez in the chat box? Abandoning a ranked match because you don't like the map or the players? You thought you could get away with it, but now got cold feet. Next time play in an appropriate way. Cheating is not the only factor in the Trust system.

[akiuara]

Originally posted by sard3379:

Really, remember the times you kept vote kicking players for fun? Using the your mic and the chat box only for grieving purposes? Team damaging other players? AFK'ing half of the match? Playing with another cheater in the same lobby as a friend and spamming ez in the chat box? Abandoning a ranked match because you don't like the map or the players? You thought you could get away with it, but now got cold feet. Next time play in an appropriate way. Cheating is not the only factor in the Trust system.

I got red trust for nothing, I don't even cheat, also they relate red trustfactor on that thing cuz red trustfactor is the lobby of griefers and thirdparty users, sometimes the trust system mistaken us legit players as one of them, which is just sad.

[Oyun Arşivim]

I have high trust factor because i never trust valve.

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Yes, exactly this, in the lowest trust factor lobbies there aren't just cheaters, there are also derankers for example. Low trust factor is a garbage for everyone being uncivil on Steam, not just for cheaters.
I mean yes sometimes there are mistakes but that's less often than not.

[Sethioz]

i don't get it either, i see so many posts who think that red trust is because of cheating.
if cheats get detected, then player gets banned, they are not put into red trust.

HOWEVER one thing i can think of, is that VAC bans are delayed and when VAC has flagged an account for cheating, then that player is instantly placed into red trust until he/she gets banned.
VAC bans can take anywhere between 1 - 30 days. i sometimes write down some cheater profiles and check back or i just check match history, some of them got banned after about 20 days and i'm talking about rage aimbots, not wallhacks.

it would make sense to place those flagged players into red trust until VAC ban is applied.
however this is just speculation based on common sense, i have no idea if they are actually doing this or not.

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

i don't get it either, i see so many posts who think that red trust is because of cheating.
if cheats get detected, then player gets banned, they are not put into red trust.

HOWEVER one thing i can think of, is that VAC bans are delayed and when VAC has flagged an account for cheating, then that player is instantly placed into red trust until he/she gets banned.
VAC bans can take anywhere between 1 - 30 days. i sometimes write down some cheater profiles and check back or i just check match history, some of them got banned after about 20 days and i'm talking about rage aimbots, not wallhacks.

it would make sense to place those flagged players into red trust until VAC ban is applied.
however this is just speculation based on common sense, i have no idea if they are actually doing this or not.

They are actually doing this. One person on this forum back in CS:GO complained about playing with nobody but cheaters after recovering their account via Steam Support, and together we have found a few matches that OP did not claim to play.

I played with that person and it was hell. I was getting a red trust factor notification in the lobby about them.

Later they got game banned and had to buy another account.

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by kabanod1m:

Originally posted by Sethioz:

i don't get it either, i see so many posts who think that red trust is because of cheating.
if cheats get detected, then player gets banned, they are not put into red trust.

HOWEVER one thing i can think of, is that VAC bans are delayed and when VAC has flagged an account for cheating, then that player is instantly placed into red trust until he/she gets banned.
VAC bans can take anywhere between 1 - 30 days. i sometimes write down some cheater profiles and check back or i just check match history, some of them got banned after about 20 days and i'm talking about rage aimbots, not wallhacks.

it would make sense to place those flagged players into red trust until VAC ban is applied.
however this is just speculation based on common sense, i have no idea if they are actually doing this or not.

They are actually doing this. One person on this forum back in CS:GO complained about playing with nobody but cheaters after recovering their account via Steam Support, and together we have found a few matches that OP did not claim to play.

I played with that person and it was hell. I was getting a red trust factor notification in the lobby about them.

Later they got game banned and had to buy another account.

yes, but you can't be sure it was cuz of cheating.
there's another reason why cheaters tend to have red trust and that's their behavior, most cheaters are ragers and get very mad when they losing, cuz they just can't accept losing even with cheats, so cheating and raging often go hand-in-hand.

someone who would steal an account and cheat on it... you can be sure they are at their worst behavior, so it could have been due bad behavior.

that's why i said it's just an speculation, altho i can see how it would be hilarious to put flagged accounts vs flagged accounts. honestly if i was a dev, i wouldn't even ban such players, i'd just put them vs eachother, let them have at it xD

[🐠🍑]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

i don't get it either, i see so many posts who think that red trust is because of cheating.
if cheats get detected, then player gets banned, they are not put into red trust.

VAC is not instant, it is delayed to prevent cheaters and cheat devs from determining how it detected. So what happens between detection and the ban? Decline into Red trust.

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

yes, but you can't be sure it was cuz of cheating.

Absolutely, and you can be sure that it wasn't for cheating if you've been in the low trust factor for more than 3 months, because VAC's maximum ban delay is 3 months and if it didn't ban you yet it wasn't for cheating the whole time apparently.

Originally posted by Sethioz:

someone who would steal an account and cheat on it... you can be sure they are at their worst behavior, so it could have been due bad behavior.

Yes, they also know that the account will be reclaimed by the owner anyway, so they treat it as a throwaway account and do whatever they want on it. Including using detected cheats. That person was banned in the end after having low trust factor for about 2 weeks.

[ɈeNeeĸ_2]

You guys sound like you designed the system and know how it works

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by ɈeNeeĸ_2:

You guys sound like you designed the system and know how it works

we're just gathering our observations into one place to understand it better

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by ɈeNeeĸ_2:

You guys sound like you designed the system and know how it works

I quote myself:

Originally posted by Sethioz:

however this is just speculation based on common sense

Originally posted by kabanod1m:

Originally posted by ɈeNeeĸ_2:

You guys sound like you designed the system and know how it works

we're just gathering our observations into one place to understand it better

exactly, nobody really knows what valve is up to.
i guess in the end it doesn't really matter, cuz regardless of their system or intentions, lot of cheaters seem to be ending up in low trust matches ... however there are still plenty of them in higher ranks and trust matches aswell :((

[cere]

Because trust factor, as confirmed by a CS dev years ago, is only about how likely you are to cheat. Nothing else is taken into account.

But obviously cheaters and their decade long gaslighting have ruined that

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by Cere:

Because trust factor, as confirmed by a CS dev years ago, is only about how likely you are to cheat. Nothing else is taken into account.

But obviously cheaters and their decade long gaslighting have ruined that

Really? I've never seen a CS dev confirming that trust factor is only about how likely you are to cheat. Can you please provide the source?

In the original trust factor blog post Valve said that with Trust Factor they've been grouping players who are more likely to have a good experience together:

We’ve launched a new and improved method for matchmaking players who are likely to have a good experience together.