Does having lower FPS put me at a disadvantage?

[ShoTTa-]

Currently I am playing CS: GO at 40-60 fps at the lowest resolution. I'm stuck at MG 2 and can't really go up from there. I was wondering if my fps is putting me at a disadvantage vs equally skilled players who have higher fps than me? If that's the case going to consider investing in a new PC so I can competitively play without being at a handicap.

[Broth]

Escrito originalmente por VeRO:

Escrito originalmente por Thorgraum:

im sorry, but i find it really har to take you seriously.. i dont reccomend anything just for csgo, i recommend hardware for the performance the give you for the cash you spend on it

Then you would recommend the Intel Core i3-4150 119$ the best on that price tag till 160$, if you are a consulant, you are one of the worst in the world, is like recommend a Ferrari to a person that just need to move 30km a day to work, a Wolksvagen Polo TDI can be enough, he don't need the power of the motor of a Ferrari.

The Intel Core i3-4150 is more than enough for him.

ofcoure its enough, its way more than enough to run csgo, but it will for sure bottleneck the r 270, and that my friend, is a nobrainer.

[Broth]

Escrito originalmente por Blaquicat:

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

Jumping from 60fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.01 second advantage.
Jumping from 30fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.025 second advantage.

Your reaction time as a gamer is likely around 0.2 seconds. Your physical hardware introduces more delay into the system as well. So no, you will suddenly go ham and wipe the floor with us by a better computer. The game will look prettier though.

People can talk all they want about how they "feel," but it's just a placebo. The math doesn't lie.

I disagree.
Jump from 30fps to 144fps dont give you "seconds" of advantage.
The games feel better, you can understand more about whats happening, but its the same game you play with 30fps, you can react better with high fps, but that does not gives you advantage.

You physical hardware delay is included in the ping.

All those delays can be softened with lerp, after all, this is it purpose

You cannot math a "feeling".

+rep

[Prosody]

Escrito originalmente por Blaquicat:

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

Jumping from 60fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.01 second advantage.
Jumping from 30fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.025 second advantage.

Your reaction time as a gamer is likely around 0.2 seconds. Your physical hardware introduces more delay into the system as well. So no, you will suddenly go ham and wipe the floor with us by a better computer. The game will look prettier though.

People can talk all they want about how they "feel," but it's just a placebo. The math doesn't lie.

I disagree.
Jump from 30fps to 144fps dont give you "seconds" of advantage.
The games feel better, you can understand more about whats happening, but its the same game you play with 30fps, you can react better with high fps, but that does not gives you advantage.

You physical hardware delay is included in the ping.

All those delays can be softened with lerp, after all, this is it purpose

You cannot math a "feeling".

There is delay introduced by your graphics card in rendering frames to be thrown to your monitor. There is delay introduced by your monitor in showing those frames. Going from 30 fps to 144 fps is only a 25 millisecond advantage, and human reaction times tend to be 200 milliseconds.

It's not negligible, and anyone here will say that getting a consistent 60 frames is important. Nonetheless, there are plenty of Global Elites with 60-75hz monitors.

edit:
I reread what you wrote, and I just realized that we're both on the same page.

[partyboy]

Escrito originalmente por Blaquicat:

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

Jumping from 60fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.01 second advantage.
Jumping from 30fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.025 second advantage.

Your reaction time as a gamer is likely around 0.2 seconds. Your physical hardware introduces more delay into the system as well. So no, you will suddenly go ham and wipe the floor with us by a better computer. The game will look prettier though.

People can talk all they want about how they "feel," but it's just a placebo. The math doesn't lie.

I disagree.
Jump from 30fps to 144fps dont give you "seconds" of advantage.
The games feel better, you can understand more about whats happening, but its the same game you play with 30fps, you can react better with high fps, but that does not gives you advantage.

You physical hardware delay is included in the ping.

All those delays can be softened with lerp, after all, this is it purpose

You cannot math a "feeling".

"but that does not give you an advantage" u srs m8? ya guys reaction times don't matter and smooth gameplay don't matter either


From my experience I've played on a comp with 30-40 fps average (smokes would be high 20's low 30's) and I got ranked with mg2's and mge's

I played on a 120hz monitor and had over 200 fps and I was playing better than the average player in top 3 ranks (lem,smfc,ge) take that into considertion boys and girls

[Blaquicat]

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

I reread what you wrote, and I just realized that we're both on the same page.

This happened probably because of my very bad english..
lol..
Sorry about that btw..

[Prosody]

Escrito originalmente por Blaquicat:

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

I reread what you wrote, and I just realized that we're both on the same page.

This happened probably because of my very bad english..
lol..
Sorry about that btw..

It was my mistake, haha. Your English is great. I'm just waking up and am still very tired. You're exactly right though, developing "game sense" is what puts you at an advantage. If you can predict enemy positions and strategies, an extra frame every 0.01 seconds doesn't make a noticeable difference.

[Tuuba Ankka]

Theres no advantage in having more than 60 fps if you have a 60hz monitor, but everyone should be getting 300+ fps in a Source game in 2014, seriously.

[Blaquicat]

Yeah..
Its still human factor..
An bot (aka cheater) can play the same way does not matter if is 10fps or 300fps..
Because its dont need a human to "play"

[Doge]

Escrito originalmente por Thorgraum:

ofcoure its enough, its way more than enough to run csgo, but it will for sure bottleneck the r 270, and that my friend, is a nobrainer.

Intel Core i5 4460 186$ was better suggestion then :/ I think he can spend 70$ more, is 25% less powerful than Intel Core i7-2700K and 26% better than Intel Core i3-4150

50% cheaper than Intel Core i7-2700K (we need think in his monitor)

[Broth]

Escrito originalmente por VeRO:

Escrito originalmente por Thorgraum:

ofcoure its enough, its way more than enough to run csgo, but it will for sure bottleneck the r 270, and that my friend, is a nobrainer.

Intel Core i5 4460 186$ was better suggestion then :/ I think he can spend 70$ more, is 25% less powerful than Intel Core i7-2700K and 26% better than Intel Core i3-4150

50% cheaper than Intel Core i7-2700K (we need think in his monitor)

that is actuall a pretty good cpu :D nice

[Falcon]

Escrito originalmente por IBUYPOWDER:

and BTW humans can only see in 55 fps so it doesnt matter BUT higher fps does mean smoother gameplay

Don't tell me the good old troll-phraze is still as powerful as it used to be in the old days :D.

[Falcon]

Escrito originalmente por Prosody:

Jumping from 60fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.01 second advantage.
Jumping from 30fps to 144fps is roughly a 0.025 second advantage.

Your reaction time as a gamer is likely around 0.2 seconds. Your physical hardware introduces more delay into the system as well. So no, you will suddenly go ham and wipe the floor with us by a better computer. The game will look prettier though.

People can talk all they want about how they "feel," but it's just a placebo. The math doesn't lie. Many folks have gotten to Global Elite with 60fps. Most are at 120fps or 144fps, but that's simply because they take their gaming as a serious hobby, so they've invested in their equipment to make their games look better...

From 30 -> 144 is as high as 39.6 ms of average effective reaction time difference. Wheather you click 200 ms after the enemy peaked out or 240 ms it might be a K or D scenario easily.

One more important thing is - there is a difference between FPS and Hz in terms of how their value impacts delays. Monitor will grant you, on average, simply the half of the between frame times(1000/n_Hz) then add it's input lag and it;s matrice responses(different across possible color transitions); while GPU gonna need additional full frame generation time after the delay calculated like for the monitor, since it's just about the information being perceived, then you have to make a whole new frame with the information.

[Falcon]

Escrito originalmente por Tuuba Ankka:

Theres no advantage in having more than 60 fps if you have a 60hz monitor, but everyone should be getting 300+ fps in a Source game in 2014, seriously.

Not true, since unless in v-sync mode it will pick newer and newer data as it traverse the output buffer, which is updated in this scenario more often than 60 Hz. So instead of wasting time on drawing the lower end of the enemy model in it's outdated position, it will draw his leggs a bit shifted to the more recent place he were standing. Having said that still - some software factor can kick in at arbitrary point and make it all different, like detect your hits as you see the picture, taking FPS into consideration... although it can work the other way around as well.

[🇰 🇴 🇩 🇾]

60 fps

[fr0zie]

In FPS, of course it does 8-)