144hz Monitor VS. 60hz Monitor

[Jackal]

Hey guys, had a legitimate question regarding monitor refresh rates.

For those that know, how poignant is the difference for you using one type of monitor or another (that is, using a 144hz monitor without vsync and over 120+ fps versus using vsync at 60fps on a 60hz monitor).

I am using a 23-inch dell sp2309w and capping my fps at 60 at 2048x1152. Would I see a big difference with a 144hz monitor and uncapping fps, given appropriate hardware for it? Thanks.

[dave]

Yes, there is a noticeable difference, even on the desktop. I've got a 144hz monitor as my primary and a 60hz as my secondary and even just using the desktop on the 60hz monitor feels laggy now that I've gotten used to 144hz. If you've got the hardware to maintain 144hz I'd say definitely go for a 144hz monitor.

And it's hz, not mhz.

[The Most Racist Player of All Ti]

Its night and day.

[ù:psk:Reap3r]

There's a youtube video with a side by side comparison of the 144 vs 60 hz monitors at work simultaneously, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax8NxWn48tY check it out.

[Jackal]

Sorry, I meant hz. And thanks alot guys.

EDIT: Will reflect in Title

[Prosody]

I've solo que'd my way to Distinguished Master Guardian on 60hz. You can't buy "skills," but sure, it'll be noticeably smoother if you're the least bit OCD. Will your mom be able to see the difference though? Probably not.

Given that matchmaking has 64 tick servers, I haven't really had a compelling reason to upgrade yet, but perhaps one of these days. 144hz is a gimmick though - you're better off sticking to 120hz. No one in their right mind can distinguish between 144hz and 120hz...other than the fact that 144hz will have washed-out colors.

[Jackal]

I guess the underlying question here would also be, if you're decent at the game, how much will an upgrade to the monitor help and assist your skills? Significantly? Or only slightly (,only slightly)?

[Prosody]

Messaggio originale di Corsa1r:

I guess the underlying question here would also be, if you're decent at the game, how much will an upgrade to the monitor help and assist your skills? Significantly? Or only slightly (,only slightly)?

60hz
60 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.017 seconds

144hz
144 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.007 seconds

With this in mind:
A new monitor that saves you 0.01 seconds is negligible considering that your reaction time is likely at or above 0.20 seconds. And when you take into account network lag, 64 tick, hardware lag, etc, the benefits are truly nothing more than cosmetic. I suppose every little bit eventually adds up, but paying $500+ for a 0.01 second advantage, given human reaction times, is a tough sell.

I may be biased because I have never played with or seen a 120hz/144hz monitor, but I really don't think the numbers can lie. Yes, the game will look better, but "playing better" would truly be a placebo effect if anything.

I am planning on buying a new monitor because I've been wanting to have a multi-monitor setup, so I will probably opt for a 120hz monitor. But buying a 120hz monitor solely for counterstrike with the intention of playing better seems foolhardy to me.

[Jackal]

Messaggio originale di Prosody:

Messaggio originale di Corsa1r:

I guess the underlying question here would also be, if you're decent at the game, how much will an upgrade to the monitor help and assist your skills? Significantly? Or only slightly (,only slightly)?

60hz
60 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.017 seconds

144hz
144 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.007 seconds

With this in mind:
A new monitor that saves you 0.01 seconds is negligible considering that your reaction time is likely at or above 0.20 seconds. And when you take into account network lag, 64 tick, hardware lag, etc, the benefits are truly nothing more than cosmetic.

I may be biased because I have never played with or seen a 120hz/144hz monitor, but I really don't think the numbers can lie. Yes, the game will look better, but "playing better" would truly be a placebo effect if anything.

Science, ladies and gentleman. Thanks, this is perfect. :)

Though, I will probably still upgrade when it's appropriate to.

[dave]

Messaggio originale di Prosody:

$500+

Good 144hz monitors aren't nearly that expensive amyore. You could get the ASUS VG248QE for about $310. But I agree with everything else you said. It's purely cosmetic and you definitely won't get better just from having a high refresh rate monitor.

[Prosody]

Messaggio originale di Corsa1r:

Messaggio originale di Prosody:

60hz
60 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.017 seconds

144hz
144 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.007 seconds

With this in mind:
A new monitor that saves you 0.01 seconds is negligible considering that your reaction time is likely at or above 0.20 seconds. And when you take into account network lag, 64 tick, hardware lag, etc, the benefits are truly nothing more than cosmetic.

I may be biased because I have never played with or seen a 120hz/144hz monitor, but I really don't think the numbers can lie. Yes, the game will look better, but "playing better" would truly be a placebo effect if anything.

Science, ladies and gentleman. Thanks, this is perfect. :)

Though, I will probably still upgrade when it's appropriate to.

I edited what you just said into my post. I've been thinking about upgrading my monitor because I've been needing a new monitor anyway (it's ancient and may be causing my system to crash for some reason). So when I upgrade, I'll certainly go with a 120hz monitor, and I'm sure it'll look better, given my attention to detail, but I don't expect to play better, especially when considering all of the networking/lag issues that come with online play.

I'm still torn between the 120hz vs 144hz debate. I hear a lot of 144hz monitors suffer from poor colors, and I truly don't believe anyone can see those additional 24 frames otherwise.

The post above me mentions light-boost. Is that an NVidia-only feature? I've heard a lot about it (strobing the backlight to remove ghosting-pixels), but I think I saw something about it not being available on AMD cards. I'm curious if it's hard on the equipment as well...I dunno - it's probably fine.

[Prosody]

Messaggio originale di focus:

Messaggio originale di Prosody:

$500+

You could get the ASUS VG248QE for about $310.

Ah, thanks. Maybe I'll upgrade myself sooner than I thought lol.

[Nutsmasher]

I got an XL2411Z for 230 and it was worth the money. Just don't turn on lightboost/blur reduction. It's so much smoother and you can track movements so easy.

[Kak]

Very worth it. Not much of a difference between 120 and 144 hz though

[skada]

Used 60 / 75 Hz for 10 years.

Borrowed friend's 120 Hz monitor for two weeks.

Went back to 60 Hz, thought I had eye problems because everything looked like microstutter (just like how if you always play at 60 fps, then 30 fps will look really bad).

Bought 144 Hz monitor a while ago for $260 and love it. But if you are getting VG248QE, it takes quite a bit of tweaking to get it to look the way you want. The monitor's only problem is that the gamma changes with the refresh rate. At 60 Hz it actually has some of the best colors for a TN panel, but at 144 the color becomes a bit desaturated and 'washed out'.

[Vixci]

Messaggio originale di Prosody:

Messaggio originale di Corsa1r:

I guess the underlying question here would also be, if you're decent at the game, how much will an upgrade to the monitor help and assist your skills? Significantly? Or only slightly (,only slightly)?

60hz
60 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.017 seconds

144hz
144 frames / 1 second = 1 frame per 0.007 seconds

With this in mind:
A new monitor that saves you 0.01 seconds is negligible considering that your reaction time is likely at or above 0.20 seconds. And when you take into account network lag, 64 tick, hardware lag, etc, the benefits are truly nothing more than cosmetic. I suppose every little bit eventually adds up, but paying $500+ for a 0.01 second advantage, given human reaction times, is a tough sell.

I may be biased because I have never played with or seen a 120hz/144hz monitor, but I really don't think the numbers can lie. Yes, the game will look better, but "playing better" would truly be a placebo effect if anything.

I am planning on buying a new monitor because I've been wanting to have a multi-monitor setup, so I will probably opt for a 120hz monitor. But buying a 120hz monitor solely for counterstrike with the intention of playing better seems foolhardy to me.

5 frames / 1 second = 0.20 seconds per frame

60 frames / 1 second = 0.017 seconds per frame

0.20 - 0.017 = 0.183. So confirming to this is a 60hz monitor saves you 0.183 seconds meaning that according to your argument this is purely a cosmetic difference as the reaction time is 0.20; 0.183< 0.20.

To conclude I believe your argument is invalid as none of us could possibly play at 5 fps and still be good at the game. So if anyone wants to buy a 144hz monitor then go for it! Its a night and day difference that has helped me get better at the game.