Question for girl gamers...

[Frezmo]

Why do you take everything so seriously, even my friends Evelynn and Lou agree.

I was in a game of FACEIT 1.8k average elo lobby and we were losing rounds as we were not trading each other.

I call a timeout and say, ok guys we need to make sure that we can trade each other our, that round blue died and yellow didn't trade then yellow died and orange didn't trade when they were both in position to refrag.

Yellow is the girl gamer btw.

Orange who is a man responds with, ok bro yeah I should have traded lets play together.

Yellow responds with, why do you cry? why cry? shut up stop crying.

No one else on the team saw it that way (all men). Only she did.

Then for the rest of the game she proceeded to give no info, play alone the entire time. Solo push everything without any sort of methodical play. Basically just threw the entire game which was super winnable as it went to 3 OTs we lost 20-22.

I'm not saying it's all women but it does seem to be a vast majority that just take comments about how we can try to win the game as insults rather than constructive strategy forming. I really do not understand why they take stuff to heart the way they do, it is actually tilting.

And as I mentioned it before, 2 of my girl gamer friends actually agree with me and hate playing with other girl gamers because of it.

It is starting to feel like you can't say anything to them about the game without them getting all upset.

I mean men do it to but maybe like 1 in 30 guys do it

It's like 70% of the girl gamers I run into pull this bullcrap

[Jo_Mei]

Maybe you need to make your tactical instructions more emotionally understandable for women.

it could have been you were too harsh with your tone, women want to be addressed in a certain tone, I suppose, for women it is important how you say it, then at least they will listen

[Oliver Velvet Hammer]

frontal lobe diff

[Outsider]

Imo, there's some kind of paradox. Most girls are treated by majority of players in a certain way. It's hate or obsession due to lack of women's attention. So they are stuck in that duality pattern, and if you're not adore their feminity with every second word (not literally ofc) then it's automatically calls as agression towards em. So they go into that defensive position and offense you back.

So basically we need to treat them just like any other player, genderlessly, but here's another problem comes. Most girls are coming to online games cause they want that exact attention from boys, so there's no sane way to communicate with em xD

That's just my point of view, i don't say it's totally true, but in my experience it is this way.

[onemeow]

It's not about gamers, but about women in general. They used to struggle with handling critisism. So when you criticize a woman, she most likely would take it as an insult. And insulted person wouldn't cooperate with you.

So in your example, when you said: "blue died and yellow didn't trade", you should said something like: "yellow was good, also could have trade".

Did you notice the difference? Instead of "yellow didn't trade" - which is clear criticism, I'd say "could have trade" - which doesn't contains any pointed out critics, but just an observation.

Also, you could notice, that I added "yellow was good", before the main part. That is actually an powerfull trick, when conversating with woman. Before talking about cons, you should warm up, and talk about pros.

[Jo_Mei]

Originally posted by TheLevelCap:

Originally posted by Jo_Mei:

Maybe you need to make your tactical instructions more emotionally understandable for women.

it could have been you were too harsh with your tone, women want to be addressed in a certain tone, I suppose, for women it is important how you say it, then at least they will listen

Or maybe she needs to grow up. What is next? Give her skins so she doesn't feel bad about the feedback?

he should have said that she is the best player he met and him and the rest of the team wants to coop with her

[Frezmo]

Originally posted by onemeow:

It's not about gamers, but about women in general. They used to struggle with handling critisism. So when you criticize a woman, she most likely would take it as an insult. And insulted person wouldn't cooperate with you.

So in your example, when you said: "blue died and yellow didn't trade", you should said something like: "yellow was good, also could have trade".

Did you notice the difference? Instead of "yellow didn't trade" - which is clear criticism, I'd say "could have trade" - which doesn't contains any pointed out critics, but just an observation.

Also, you could notice, that I added "yellow was good", before the main part. That is actually an powerfull trick, when conversating with woman. Before talking about cons, you should warm up, and talk about pros.

I see your point but in a 30 second timeout it is not easy to fit all that in, if we are to have a back a forth constructive tactical pause we need to be concise and to the point.
Your suggest would be easier to follow if the timeouts were longer than 30 seconds.

[,,sQuirrel,,]

### Summary and Structured Text

#### Topic:
**Challenges of Communication in Mixed-Gender Gaming Teams**

#### Context:
The user describes an incident during a **FACEIT Counter-Strike match (1.8k elo average)** where the team struggled with coordination, particularly failing to "trade kills" effectively. The issue became contentious when the user provided feedback to the team, including a female teammate, about improving their gameplay.

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#### Incident Description:
1. **Game Situation:**
- The team was losing rounds due to poor trading of kills.
- The user called a timeout to suggest improvements, specifically citing instances where teammates failed to trade kills effectively.
- Feedback included identifying specific moments where teammates (Yellow and Orange) missed trading opportunities.

2. **Responses to Feedback:**
- **Male teammate (Orange):** Acknowledged the feedback constructively and agreed to play better.
- **Female teammate (Yellow):** Reacted defensively, accusing the user of "crying" and telling them to "shut up."

3. **Outcome:**
- Following the exchange, Yellow:
- Refused to provide team information.
- Played solo without coordination.
- Ultimately contributed to the loss (a close match that went to triple overtime, ending 20-22).

---

#### Broader Reflections:
1. **Perceived Gender Differences:**
- The user observed that many women in gaming tend to take strategic comments as personal attacks rather than constructive feedback.
- They believe this behavior is more common among female gamers compared to male gamers, where similar reactions occur less frequently.

2. **Personal Anecdotes:**
- The user mentioned that even their female gamer friends (Evelynn and Lou) agree with their frustration and dislike playing with other women for similar reasons.

3. **Frustration with Stereotypes:**
- The user expressed frustration with the inability to critique gameplay without eliciting negative responses, particularly from women, which they feel impacts team dynamics and performance.

---

#### Observations and Concerns:
- The user believes communication issues disproportionately involve female teammates, estimating:
- **70% of women** react negatively to feedback.
- **1 in 30 men** exhibit similar behavior.

#### Conclusion:
The user highlights the need for better communication and understanding in gaming teams, suggesting that defensive reactions to constructive feedback hinder teamwork and performance. They seek insight into why this trend may occur and how to address it.

[M@N DOWN]

I think valorant release at fault for this, riot bring many league of legends girls to play valorant, then they proceed to csgo cause is a full masculine sport and were attracted to csgo players that were training them in valorant...

Can't we segregate girls matchmaking in valorant, and then real mens just to play csgo... Is clearly they invade our spaces, not leave us watch fotball, now they ruinning our cs2 experience.. They often come uninvited and place themself in the middle of everything we do.. Can't they stand to fortnite to take care of kids or at valorant, there is nothing that they could enjoy in cs2, or maybe they don't support each other in valorant.. jk ofc.

[Frezmo]

Originally posted by M@N DOWN:

I think valorant release at fault for this, riot bring many league of legends girls to play valorant, then they proceed to csgo cause is a full masculine sport and were attracted to csgo players that were training them in valorant...

Can't we segregate girls matchmaking in valorant, and then real mens just to play csgo... Is clearly they invade our spaces, not leave us watch fotball, now they ruinning our cs2 experience.. They often come uninvited and place themself in the middle of everything we do.. Can't they stand to fortnite to take care of kids or at valorant, there is nothing that they could enjoy in cs2, or maybe they don't support each other in valorant.. jk ofc.

She had 14000 hours which is the sad thing.

[TECHNOVIKING]

As a female gamer who occasionally comes across other female players, I can honestly say in my experience that it's not "1 in 30 guys, 70% of the girl gamers", if anything it's the opposite. The only time I react negatively is when someone talks rudely to me, but the vast majority of male players are like "dolbaeb cyka blyat", "gg my team noob", "why u no buy me awp, ok we lose now" *proceeds to tk* and this happen almost daily, their egos get in the way and fights start within the team. Grown men get upset during pistol/eco rounds. Not to mention trying to kick the bottom fragger as if we would miraculously do better 4v5. I never actively seek out a women's team, but toxicity is NOT the reason.

[Frezmo]

Originally posted by TECHNOVIKING:

As a female gamer who occasionally comes across other female players, I can honestly say in my experience that it's not "1 in 30 guys, 70% of the girl gamers", if anything it's the opposite. The only time I react negatively is when someone talks rudely to me, but the vast majority of male players are like "dolbaeb cyka blyat", "gg my team noob", "why u no buy me awp, ok we lose now" *proceeds to tk* and this happen almost daily, their egos get in the way and fights start within the team. Grown men get upset during pistol/eco rounds. Not to mention trying to kick the bottom fragger as if we would miraculously do better 4v5. I never actively seek out a women's team, but toxicity is NOT the reason.

What's your rank though? You mentioned team killing but friendly fire is off in faceit. But in lower ranks you are right, but keep in mind this is a lvl 9 faceit lobby.

[TECHNOVIKING]

Originally posted by Frezmo:

Originally posted by TECHNOVIKING:

As a female gamer who occasionally comes across other female players, I can honestly say in my experience that it's not "1 in 30 guys, 70% of the girl gamers", if anything it's the opposite. The only time I react negatively is when someone talks rudely to me, but the vast majority of male players are like "dolbaeb cyka blyat", "gg my team noob", "why u no buy me awp, ok we lose now" *proceeds to tk* and this happen almost daily, their egos get in the way and fights start within the team. Grown men get upset during pistol/eco rounds. Not to mention trying to kick the bottom fragger as if we would miraculously do better 4v5. I never actively seek out a women's team, but toxicity is NOT the reason.

What's your rank though? You mentioned team killing but friendly fire is off in faceit. But in lower ranks you are right, but keep in mind this is a lvl 9 faceit lobby.

Oh I'm talking prem, never tried Faceit. Deranked from 13k solo q to 7k and most games are so facepalm.

[Kaelen (FKA Foorzan)]

Moral of the story; Don't try to understand women. Women don't even understand women.

Just joking, but in all seriousness. I think it has to do with the patriarchy and equality when it all comes down to it. Women become more defensive as they are critisized more in this ridiculous society. This has to do with warped expectations in today's standards. Be it in how you should look, or how you should act, and everything else inbetween. Don't take it too harshly. The people that lash out are battleing their selves more than they are battleing you or anyone else.

[DOGGY MCDOGGO]

OP tell us why you cheat on a bought account?

[DapperDeeds]

Originally posted by DOGGY MCDOGGO:

OP tell us why you cheat on a bought account?

GET EM OUTTA HERE!