Add A Women Default Opperator

[lexi]

As many people know you start off by playing on either CT (Counter-Terrorist) or T (Terrorist). Each default operator on both sides are both of the male gender. I fully understand that there is a market set in place to buy new operators, skin, guns, gloves, charms, and really anything to customize someone's inventory to their liking. However, you have to pay a fee to obtain each item outside of the default CT and T operator skins (which are both male). The biggest issue with this is that women have to pay to be women. Women are already ostracized in the gaming community enough. In my personal experience just using voice chat in a friendly manner could lead me to get kicked from a game solely due to the fact I was born a different gender other than male. My biggest suggestion to the CS2 team would be to just add a default woman operator skin. Nothing too flashy, just a default skin similar to CT and T. I am not asking for zero male default faction skins either, adding a different gender to either or side would be beneficiary. . Furthermore, as I continue to play CS I have noticed the default operators never seem to even mention women. The only time women have even been mentioned in a catchphrase was “"For Queen and country, men!" where once again men were the main subject. When starting a round, “Let's give it to them, boys!" was what I would be greeted with. This might seem insignificant at first glance, but after hundreds of hours of play, they start to feel exclusionary and it strongly disappoints me to see my gender not be included. Women should not have to be penalized and forced to “pay” to play as their assigned gender just because they weren’t born a male.Women in gaming already face a lot of challenges, and this practice further perpetuates the idea that women’s representation is something players should pay extra for. I support the idea of buying skins and the market that is currently available, but I really support the idea of adding a default women operator to one or the other side for added representation. This small change could go a long way toward ensuring that women are overlooked in the game and that Valve truly cares about each and every player, no matter their gender.

[Frezmo]

Originally posted by ,,sQuirrel,,:

Please summarize what this woman said here:

The woman expresses concerns about the lack of female representation in *Counter-Strike 2* (*CS2*). She notes that the default characters for both Counter-Terrorists (CT) and Terrorists (T) are male, and female players must pay to access female skins. This practice, she argues, penalizes women for wanting to play as their own gender, contributing to feelings of exclusion.

She highlights the broader issue of women being ostracized in gaming, sharing her personal experiences of discrimination and exclusion due to her gender, such as being kicked from games for using voice chat. She also points out the exclusionary language used by the male characters in the game, which further emphasizes male representation and neglects female presence.

Her main suggestion is to introduce a default female operator skin for either faction, similar to the existing male defaults. She supports the current market for customizable items but stresses the importance of free and inclusive representation for all genders. She believes this small addition could help foster greater inclusivity and show that the game’s developers value all players equally.

If she cared about competitive gaming she would not want to add something into the game which would give players an unfair advantage such as adding a smaller bodied female (i.e. a character that is either harder to hit or doesn't have a hit box that matches the character shape).

I would argue that if she wants this more than a competitive experience, she should try out playing a less competitive game.

The only people who would argue for adding a female operator are people who do not play the game to high competitive standards. There are many many female pros who are wayyyy better than you or I and are wayyy above level 10 faceit. I would be interested to hear their perspectives as paid competitive players. As far as I know, only the womens Astralis team has spoken about wanting this, however, they are crap compared to the other female teams that do not worry about such things, they were so bad that they stopped getting funding and disbanded.

IF valve can make an operator skin that is the same size, shape and hitbox as the male players whilst still making it look like a female then sure. However, I don't think that it is realistically possible, it would end up looking like a trans women if anything.

[ManBearPig]

I don't think women should pursue carreers in dangerous jobs such as counter terrorism elite units. They have hormones and those can make them act irrationally.

[swrv]

I like this idea. And for the next case let's add a nail file as a knife to fix her nails

[NeiVsir]

i agree totaly

[lexi]

Originally posted by santa spider men 🕷️🕸:

no theres no need to do that

While I respect the idea of adding a default female operator, it’s unnecessary and doesn’t impact gameplay. CS2 focuses on skill and strategy, not operator identity. Many games like Horizon, GTA 6, and Tomb Raider already heavily spotlight female leads, which feels like male protagonists are being excluded.

In CS2, players can already customize operators through skins, keeping the default neutral. Representation should be about balance, not shifting focus from one group to another, and this change risks unnecessary division.

the main point is that yes operators would not make a difference in game play so why not add them in for inclusivity. additionally games like tomb raider, are all games wotj an immersive story line where having a female protagonist actually matters to progress the plot. Csgo has multiple operators, male or female. And the idea that women have to pay to be their assigned gender is what mainly annoys me

[akiuara]

Originally posted by ManBearPig:

I don't think women should pursue carreers in dangerous jobs such as counter terrorism elite units. They have hormones and those can make them act irrationally.

This made me laugh lol.

[lexi]

Originally posted by Frezmo:

It's a highly competitive eSport, all of the models need to be the same (this is why agent skins are banned from tournaments). Considering the vast majority of the businesses customers and target audience are men, it makes financial sense for valve to keep the models as they are.

Realistically what percentage of the player base do you think are women? Maybe 2-3% if that? Consider that half of the women don't even care about default models which probably more than half don't care. Then you are likely to have less than 1% of the player base actually give a ♥♥♥♥. Literally no benefit to valve doing this. Furthermore, I guarantee you that if valve did this more people would be pissed off than people who are happy considering the competitive nature of the game and the reasons I outlines above.

Women and men are different shapes, we have different body proportions, it wouldn't work with standard model hitboxes. Women have typically have smaller torsos, then playing a women model would have an unfair advantage. Can't have that in a competitive game.

Nothing to do with politics or sexism or any of that. It is ONLY for the reason of player model shape, it isn't personal it's mathematics and geometrics.

almost every other competitive game with tournaments etc have a women option😭 Valorant, Fortnite, etc. You can make a proportional cs skin because they have done it before. Just make a wider ribcage or keep the masked CT default and add a female voiceover during catchphrases.

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[lexi]

Originally posted by Frezmo:

Originally posted by ,,sQuirrel,,:

Please summarize what this woman said here:

The woman expresses concerns about the lack of female representation in *Counter-Strike 2* (*CS2*). She notes that the default characters for both Counter-Terrorists (CT) and Terrorists (T) are male, and female players must pay to access female skins. This practice, she argues, penalizes women for wanting to play as their own gender, contributing to feelings of exclusion.

She highlights the broader issue of women being ostracized in gaming, sharing her personal experiences of discrimination and exclusion due to her gender, such as being kicked from games for using voice chat. She also points out the exclusionary language used by the male characters in the game, which further emphasizes male representation and neglects female presence.

Her main suggestion is to introduce a default female operator skin for either faction, similar to the existing male defaults. She supports the current market for customizable items but stresses the importance of free and inclusive representation for all genders. She believes this small addition could help foster greater inclusivity and show that the game’s developers value all players equally.

If she cared about competitive gaming she would not want to add something into the game which would give players an unfair advantage such as adding a smaller bodied female (i.e. a character that is either harder to hit or doesn't have a hit box that matches the character shape).

I would argue that if she wants this more than a competitive experience, she should try out playing a less competitive game.

The only people who would argue for adding a female operator are people who do not play the game to high competitive standards. There are many many female pros who are wayyyy better than you or I and are wayyy above level 10 faceit. I would be interested to hear their perspectives as paid competitive players. As far as I know, only the womens Astralis team has spoken about wanting this, however, they are crap compared to the other female teams that do not worry about such things, they were so bad that they stopped getting funding and disbanded.

IF valve can make an operator skin that is the same size, shape and hitbox as the male players whilst still making it look like a female then sure. However, I don't think that it is realistically possible, it would end up looking like a trans women if anything.

honestly this is really constructive feedback compared to others ive gotten😭but csgo has already implemented women characters etc. also if you just listen to their catchphrases they rarely mention women. “ "Let's give it to them, boys!” and everything is about men, boys, lads, its just extemley exclusionary. although i do want a default female skin even adding inslusive voice lines would make me enjoy gameplay better

[lexi]

Originally posted by ManBearPig:

I don't think women should pursue carreers in dangerous jobs such as counter terrorism elite units. They have hormones and those can make them act irrationally.

very kind of you but there are already female operators in cs so your point is irrelevant regardless. the difference is, is that they are paid.

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[Quackie]

Can we add Obama ?

[TheLevelCap]

Originally posted by lexi:

Originally posted by TheLevelCap:

There are female default CTs, but they're wearing masks so you can't see who male or female.

Incorrect. I would actually not mind the mask part however we know this is false due to their catchphrases. First of all they have a male voices and you can read my replies, none of their voice lines speak about women ever.

Wait are you assuming they're all males bcoz of their voices? What is it's a trans woman who still didn't get the money to make vocal surgeries?

[76561199739790055]

Originally posted by lexi:

Originally posted by santa spider men 🕷️🕸:

no theres no need to do that

While I respect the idea of adding a default female operator, it’s unnecessary and doesn’t impact gameplay. CS2 focuses on skill and strategy, not operator identity. Many games like Horizon, GTA 6, and Tomb Raider already heavily spotlight female leads, which feels like male protagonists are being excluded.

In CS2, players can already customize operators through skins, keeping the default neutral. Representation should be about balance, not shifting focus from one group to another, and this change risks unnecessary division.

the main point is that yes operators would not make a difference in game play so why not add them in for inclusivity. additionally games like tomb raider, are all games wotj an immersive story line where having a female protagonist actually matters to progress the plot. Csgo has multiple operators, male or female. And the idea that women have to pay to be their assigned gender is what mainly annoys me

i respectfully strongly disagree with that statement of yours sir/madam, you didnt even talk about GTA 6

[Frezmo]

Originally posted by lexi:

Originally posted by Frezmo:

If she cared about competitive gaming she would not want to add something into the game which would give players an unfair advantage such as adding a smaller bodied female (i.e. a character that is either harder to hit or doesn't have a hit box that matches the character shape).

I would argue that if she wants this more than a competitive experience, she should try out playing a less competitive game.

The only people who would argue for adding a female operator are people who do not play the game to high competitive standards. There are many many female pros who are wayyyy better than you or I and are wayyy above level 10 faceit. I would be interested to hear their perspectives as paid competitive players. As far as I know, only the womens Astralis team has spoken about wanting this, however, they are crap compared to the other female teams that do not worry about such things, they were so bad that they stopped getting funding and disbanded.

IF valve can make an operator skin that is the same size, shape and hitbox as the male players whilst still making it look like a female then sure. However, I don't think that it is realistically possible, it would end up looking like a trans women if anything.

honestly this is really constructive feedback compared to others ive gotten😭but csgo has already implemented women characters etc. also if you just listen to their catchphrases they rarely mention women. “ "Let's give it to them, boys!” and everything is about men, boys, lads, its just extemley exclusionary. although i do want a default female skin even adding inslusive voice lines would make me enjoy gameplay better

If a female default skin were to be added, in tournaments they will need to enforce that all players play the same gendered operator. But again, if I were valve and knowing the CS2 community. I think more people would be upset by it than people who are pleased by it. As a company, it makes sense to please the majority of your customer base, and if doing nothing on the topic does that then I think it's a done deal for valve to leave default operators as they are.

I mean lets not beat around the bush, there will be players who will moan about it for the sake of fairness like me, there will be players who moan about it saying the left are taking things too far, and there will be straight up sexists. For valve I don't think it's a question of morality I think it's a question of avoiding controversy. Not going to lie, I love the CS2 community and game but even I can admit that we do have some of the most "out of pocket" players in our community as a light way of saying wildly racist, xenophobic and sexist people. Or just straight up trolls. About one in ten games there is a guy screaming the N word over and over again, or making fun of people from different European countries saying their accent is bad or that their country is bad and poor and so on.

What I do find interesting though is men treating women differently in video games. I found that when I was playing FACEIT between levels 1 to 6, around half the time female player on my team get told to go back to the kitchen or some other sexist remark. However, in lvl 7 plus (I am now level 8 peek level 9), when we do get a female player 19/20 times people don't even mention it. I find that in the higher ranks people just want to win the game and are too focused on that than to comment on someones gender or what country they are from. And when people are toxic it's about the way you play rather than who you are as a person.

With the valorant comparison, I have very strong opinions around CS2 being a far more competitive eSport.

CS2 consistently has more viewership in the tier 1 pro scene. Also, there is not one professional CS:GO or CS2 player than came from valorant when their val career was dying. However, there is a long list of CS:GO and CS2 players who became washed and swapped to val to continue their career.
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