why no hwid ban for cheaters?

[BunnySkeet]

[Ray Benchmark]

Because HW ID can be spoofed within seconds and you would ban more innocent people than actual cheater because you'd also ban everyone playing from a family with the same PC, would ban people in internet cafes and people who buy second hand.

[Space]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

ban everyone playing from a family with the same PC, would ban people in internet cafes and people who buy second hand.

Other then perhaps an argument about "fairness", those are all acceptable casualties.

[Ray Benchmark]

Originally posted by Space:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

ban everyone playing from a family with the same PC, would ban people in internet cafes and people who buy second hand.

Other then perhaps an argument about "fairness", those are all acceptable casualties.

They are not. You don't get it. Even the worst free cheat would've a HW spoofer which could easily autochange it every time you start the game.

So yeah you ban zero cheater with it but thousands upon thousands of innocent people every year.

What people like you have is called dunning kruger effect. You have no idea about such stuff but come up with ideas which in your world makes sense and is "an easy fix" but the reality is something else.

[Space]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

Originally posted by Space:

Other then perhaps an argument about "fairness", those are all acceptable casualties.

They are not. You don't get it. Even the worst free cheat would've a HW spoofer which could easily autochange it every time you start the game.

So yeah you ban zero cheater with it but thousands upon thousands of innocent people every year.

What people like you have is called dunning kruger effect. You have no idea about such stuff but come up with ideas which in your world makes sense and is "an easy fix" but the reality is something else.

lulz.

apples dont fall far from the tree. if someone in a family cheats, then they are all banned. good riddance to them all. maybe the parents will keep a better eye on their kids.

the internet cafe owner will start keeping an eye on his machines unless he likes having less $$

the buying 2nd hand hw fear is just laughable.

thanks for the laughs though

[TheLevelCap]

All you need to do is to compare what people are saying to reality. If people can spoof HWID bans so easily, why aren't games that feature such kind of ban a complete sh**show like CS? I do understand most game aren't as big as CS (even tho I believe most players are farming bots), all games would be massively complaining about cheating in a smaller proportion, but still enough to fill their community pages and for what I've seen, people on other games are currently complaining about aim assist on controllers, not cheating.

But we all know the ultimate solution is ID verification as a replacement for Prime. Since it would be optional, no one would really be affected.

[76561199530996253]

Disappointed users will leave the game if they ignore fraudulent users to prevent innocent user damage.

[Max]

Originally posted by Space:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

They are not. You don't get it. Even the worst free cheat would've a HW spoofer which could easily autochange it every time you start the game.

So yeah you ban zero cheater with it but thousands upon thousands of innocent people every year.

What people like you have is called dunning kruger effect. You have no idea about such stuff but come up with ideas which in your world makes sense and is "an easy fix" but the reality is something else.

lulz.

apples dont fall far from the tree. if someone in a family cheats, then they are all banned. good riddance to them all. maybe the parents will keep a better eye on their kids.

the internet cafe owner will start keeping an eye on his machines unless he likes having less $$

the buying 2nd hand hw fear is just laughable.

thanks for the laughs though

the whole HWID (by MS) are meant for licensing the windows not to owner-proof.

since it meant to licencing a PC can get more than one HWID, which can be generated easily.

also other system dont use MS ID desighns so.

[P13]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

Because HW ID can be spoofed within seconds and you would ban more innocent people than actual cheater because you'd also ban everyone playing from a family with the same PC, would ban people in internet cafes and people who buy second hand.

Tell me you know almost nothing about HWID bans without telling me you know almost nothing.

1 - HWID bans can't be spoofed in seconds; you need a HWID spoofer which is yet another vector of flagging, or you need to apply technical know-how to generate a new HWID. A spoofer is the easiest source, but it's not "seconds".
2 - Don't share a PC with a cheater, if your internet cafe has a cheating problem you shouldn't be playing there, second hand market isn't vulnerable to HWID bans.

HWID bans are essentially a calculated identifier of hardware within a PC. Simplified for the sake of ease - it will take the device make, model, manufacturer and serial number of several components within your PC, scramble them up with an algorithm and spit out a unique string for any given PC. Which means you can buy a second-hand PC that you KNOW is HWID banned, and simply replace the hard drives with your own and carry on playing normally.

The second hand market isn't even remotely affected unless you buy and use a second hand PC including storage, and it's highly recommended to always buy and use fresh, new storage when getting second hand PCs.

There are other ways to circumvent HWID banning that don't rely on changing hardware or using spoofers, but for the sake of not spreading information on how to bypass bans, I'm not going to share them here. Suffice to say it's not "seconds", nor is it a concern for 99.9% of users.

To answer OP's question on why no HWID ban, you could ask the same question about why no kernel level anticheat. I belive that Valve is subtly working on a new solution of their own in the background, and it's already in the game if you know what to look for. Again, not going to detail it too much.

HWID bans aren't a catch-all anyway. EFT, to name one infamous title, uses HWID banning through BattlEye and it still has a rampant problem. I have higher hopes for what Valve are currently working on than I do for any kernal level anti cheat, or other solution.

[ఇ𝐂𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐌_]

ban hwid useless

[simon]

Originally posted by P13:

1 - HWID bans can't be spoofed in seconds; you need a HWID spoofer which is yet another vector of flagging, or you need to apply technical know-how to generate a new HWID. A spoofer is the easiest source, but it's not "seconds".

Yes they can. Most payed cheats come with a built in spoof-er. the cheats spoof the by default as they are used. Never mind you can buy a spoof-er specifically made for gamer. I dont want to post a link but you can google it.

[Pod]

If they ban someone instantly, the cheat maker will quickly find a way around it, so instead they do ban waves to catch a bunch at once.

That's what they say, anyway.

I have solid proof someone on my team was cheating, but he still plays freely to this day after months.... but people I played with or against afterwards have been VAC banned....
You might think the guy I'm talking of wasn't cheating, but he 100% was. Why he isn't banned but others are? I would like to know this too.

[P13]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by P13:

1 - HWID bans can't be spoofed in seconds; you need a HWID spoofer which is yet another vector of flagging, or you need to apply technical know-how to generate a new HWID. A spoofer is the easiest source, but it's not "seconds".

Yes they can. Most payed cheats come with a built in spoof-er. the cheats spoof the by default as they are used. Never mind you can buy a spoof-er specifically made for gamer. I dont want to post a link but you can google it.

Good to know there’s still people out there entirely incapable of reading to the end of a sentence before their brains turn off.

I’m aware spoofers exist. They aren’t some god solution you think they are. They’re by far one of the worst ways you can bypass a HWID ban.

And, no, “most” paid cheats do not come with a spoofer. Do you not understand the very first fundamental concept of capitalism? Don’t give something away that you can sell. Paid cheats come with paid spoofers as additional costs, not free bonuses. If you’d bothered to google your own nonsense you’d see this.

But hey, if you wanna go spreading misinformation about how HWID spoofers are gods gift to cheaters, power to you I guess. Maybe some skid will see your dribble, believe you, and get themselves banned AND scammed.

[76561197964391414]

What you are basically suggesting is ban these people from buying new prime accounts. Why would Valve do it?