Is smurfing a form of griefing ?

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Publicado originalmente por RugOp'81:

Besides that, its not even fun to play together when skill levels are too far apart. For high skill player everything is way too easy, boring. And lower skilled player only has to follow you while you take all the kills. But for some reason i doubt you understand that.

Don't you think that peope who play with their high \ low ranked friends are ready for that?
Also Valve failed with MM rank system, since it barely depends on personal perfomance. It is actually the root of the "smurfing problem" in the game.

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Publicado originalmente por NO FEAR:

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cocaine will

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Not really. Game is free, game gives you ability to have multiple accounts. As far as I am concerned the guy is free to play whatever. If he deliberately deranks by throwing games on purpose - sure, ban them. But if he is playing relatively legit and drops to silver, then who am I to judge? I droped to silver too simply by playing and nobody cares, so why should I care about the guy x playing on silver

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Publicado originalmente por Rize:

Publicado originalmente por Maxwell:

You dont have to create a smurth to play on for someone else.
your wife should play at her level and not as a LEM
nothing in this makes sense anyway you want to twist it

You didn't get the point.
In that case he is not able to play with wife, even though if they get a full lobby they will still get an enemy team with the same average rank.
This restriction of 5 ranks doesn't make any sense.

Just because your duo is up for carrying the lower ranked player doesn't mean the 3 other random players on your team are.
Allowing everyone to queue with each other regardless of rank also leads to soft-boosting lower ranked players assuming the carry is good enough to drag their friends to the win

[Ray Benchmark]

Publicado originalmente por Maxwell:

You dont have to create a smurth to play on for someone else.
your wife should play at her level and not as a LEM
nothing in this makes sense anyway you want to twist it

What you are talking about makes no sense and has no connection to what I wrote.

I will not even bother answering you because you got it all wrong. Reread my post. Understand it. Then response. You make yourself look silly.

Publicado originalmente por RugOp'81:

Publicado originalmente por Ray Benchmark:

Also someone who is 5+ ranks higher/lower than his friend should be able to queue, same with unranked people. Currently this is only possible with a 5 man stack. One of many reasons people have smurfs is so they can duo queue with a friend or even partner. Imagine you are a good player and are LEM and your wife wants to start and is silver. Currently you have to create a smurf - or you need a full 5 player stack.

These are things to consider aswell. And most don't consider that at all when pointing fingers at smurfs.

More lame excuses to justify smurfing.

Besides that, its not even fun to play together when skill levels are too far apart. For high skill player everything is way too easy, boring. And lower skilled player only has to follow you while you take all the kills. Where is the fun in that ?? Also looks pretty much like a 'boosting' service.
Valve gave us a entire new gamemode for this kind of reason. Unranked mm !! Go play over there with your low skilled companion ! And stop griefing/smurfing in ranked.

You also didn't get it, which I'm not surprised of. I will explain it to you so you may understand it:
I specificly wrote that the limitation to play with a lower ranked person is an issue because you either need a full lobby or another, lower ranked acc.

So my premise is to remove that limitation.

Without that limitation you can play with lower ranked friends. When you queue with a 5 player lobby - or just 2 player, you always get matched against people on your average rank.

So when in an extreme case you ate global and your wife is silver 1, you will get matched against gold nova 3. The match would be balanced teamwise.

People play with all sorts of skilled people for 23 years now. People have friends who are bad or very good. People play together not because the skill is the same, but because they like each other. I don't know if and how many friends you've, but as I mentioned multiple times already: You are a theory-person. You remind me of people who work as a politesse and has no grey zones in his/her rules. Even police officers have grey zones.

Also it is extremely disrespectful and childish to accuse me of "finding lame excuses to justify smurfing". You don't even understand my comment. Because my comment is exactly vice versa, it is to STOP smurfing by finding REASONABLE solutions.

You only see your agenda, blame everyone with toxic bias and don't even understand posts or just don't care to read it. Work on your discussion level and attitude.

Publicado originalmente por vee:

Publicado originalmente por Hamsterpeek:

Of course not. Griefing is intentionally ruining the game for your teammates. Beeing a better player isn't griefing at all and most games also it's quite common to play with and against a high variety of skill. Even in CS there are third party websites who do this on purpose like ESEA.

In WoW Arena it is common to play against world cup winning player and nobody cries "smurfs" there for example.

Some people think smurfing means just having and playing on a second account that is of the same or at least similar rank as their main account. There's nothing wrong with that.
Others think of smurfing when your main account is of above average rank and you own a second account that you either deliberately derank or try to place at a low rank by doing "bad" in your placements with the sole purpose to dunk on lower ranked players. This is what I consider griefing.

In regards to the latter you aren't just the better player but you're intentionally going out of your way to match against lower ranked players and ruining their chances to get a fair match.

What are those games you're speaking of?
Call of Duty (at least Warzone) has Skill Based Matchmaking (SBMM) in unranked games.
Overwatch has hidden MMR in their casual mode.
League of Legends has hidden MMR in all unranked and even fun game modes.
Valorant has hidden MMR in unranked matches as well.

All those games have understood that it's probably in their interest to match people of somewhat similar rank with each other (even in casual modes) so everyone is able to have fun.
For you to suggest that people going out of their way to abuse the RANKED modes in CS:GO to play at a much lower rank than they are is actually kinda wild.

In regards to ESEA

Players may use multiple accounts, as we understand that players may lose access to their original accounts, may wish to keep statistics separate, etc. However, in general, we would discourage players from having multiple accounts for the following reasons.

If a player is found to be smurfing, defined below, the player's alternate account will be banned. If you are an above-average skill level player creating a new account to pretend that you are brand new to ESEA and/or CS:GO with the intention of misleading the community, your account will be banned for Smurfing and your main account will be issued a ban for Website Abuse.

Publicado originalmente por Hamsterpeek:

Yup I had to laugh aswell.

Yea, you chose the much better person to agree with

And that is the point. There is no official statement what smurfing is. It's open for interpretation.

I took World of Warcraft Arena as an example.
One example:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Pg1pp3Cng

He is a world star player. And plays in the absolute beginner ranks. In the case of the video with a new character (similar as a new acc) but he also ranks down his main character to the beginner ranks with a other world star player and then plays 2on2 or 3on3 to get to as many wins in a row as possible. One example from Xaryu and Mitchjones:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNgu0mwAC0I&pp=ygUSeGFyeXUgYXJjYW5lIDQyLTAg

These 3 player are all 20x rank 1 player, the best player overall and Pikaboo is a multi major final player. You can compare Pika and Xaryu with zywoo and s1mple.

Btw. I have multiple accs aswell but always gave my best on all accs. So I have multiple accs - but no smurf acc. All accs are also very similar in ranks.

Publicado originalmente por Rize:

Publicado originalmente por RugOp'81:

Besides that, its not even fun to play together when skill levels are too far apart. For high skill player everything is way too easy, boring. And lower skilled player only has to follow you while you take all the kills. But for some reason i doubt you understand that.

Don't you think that peope who play with their high \ low ranked friends are ready for that?
Also Valve failed with MM rank system, since it barely depends on personal perfomance. It is actually the root of the "smurfing problem" in the game.

Exactly. I like to invite people to my mm game when I like them personally. I don't care if that persok is global or silver, as long we have fun together. And of course we are ready to face enemies who are equal to our skill on average, but lower than me and higher than my friend. And such game end up me having a lot of kills and my friend having just few. But again, we are ready for that.

But again. RugOp has no empathy so he doesn't understand that at all.

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Publicado originalmente por vee:

Just because your duo is up for carrying the lower ranked player doesn't mean the 3 other random players on your team are.
Allowing everyone to queue with each other regardless of rank also leads to soft-boosting lower ranked players assuming the carry is good enough to drag their friends to the win

Although in most cases it is fine, since the game looks for teams with the same average rank (rank points if more detailed).
So if, for example, there are Silver and LEM are looking to play, most likely they will get 3 MG players into their team and will be matched against MGE-DMG players. It is not that critical.

Also I believe that solo players have priority to be matched with solo players, since when I play solo (even though I barely play solo) I always get into match with solo players and sometimes duos. When I play with friends most times we get against full parties or two parties (duo and triple).
So again, players who make lobbies with different ranks most likely would be matched against the same lobbies.

Publicado originalmente por Ray Benchmark:

RugOp has no empathy so he doesn't understand that at all.

He always posts that smurfing is griefing that is completely wrong.
The guy literally does not understand the definition of griefing.
He also encourages people to report smurfs for griefing which is wrong and only makes people to abuse report system, which leads to false reports.

And I believe Valve has the same opinion, since in Dota2 smurfing has separated report section with griefing and cheating.

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Publicado originalmente por RugOp'81:

Publicado originalmente por Ray Benchmark:

Also someone who is 5+ ranks higher/lower than his friend should be able to queue, same with unranked people. Currently this is only possible with a 5 man stack. One of many reasons people have smurfs is so they can duo queue with a friend or even partner. Imagine you are a good player and are LEM and your wife wants to start and is silver. Currently you have to create a smurf - or you need a full 5 player stack.

These are things to consider aswell. And most don't consider that at all when pointing fingers at smurfs.

its not even fun to play together when skill levels are too far apart. For high skill player everything is way too easy, boring. And lower skilled player only has to follow you while you take all the kills. Where is the fun in that ?? Also looks pretty much like a 'boosting' service.

skill issue

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nah

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No, the issue is you don't know how to lose. It's a valuable skill to have. Especially in a game where you do the same thing over and over and over again

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I mean sometimes you just want to start from zero so idk

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Publicado originalmente por Ray Benchmark:

blahblahblah..... .
Exactly. I like to invite people to my mm game when I like them personally. I don't care if that persok is global or silver, as long we have fun together. And of course we are ready to face enemies who are equal to our skill on average, but lower than me and higher than my friend. And such game end up me having a lot of kills and my friend having just few. But again, we are ready for that.

But again. RugOp has no empathy so he doesn't understand that at all.

Just another wall of text with more lame excuses to justify smurfing.
It doesnt matter what more you gonna say, smurfing is and wil always be lame, egoistic and utterly pathetic.

And in case you want to play with much lower skilled personal friends, go play unranked !

Just stop ruining other players fun by intentionaly sneaking into a low rank match with your higher level of skill.

And how the hell you can say i lack empathy, while you are the one who believe smurfing is okay ? You are the one who enjoys crushing lower skilled players.
Just check out the stats on your smurf account that you want to show off all the time.

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Publicado originalmente por Ramadan Raider #2:

if u smurf ur gay

my guy you have true sorry for my english

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Playing on a second account to queue with lower rank friends is completely fine imo.

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smurfing just blatantly proves you can't git gud in your own ranks so you player in lower one's to make your ego feel better